Does embarrassing even begin to cover it?

The Franchise wrote:And can I add, he talks about Arsenal having "good players" who "would do better with a better coach".

Way to ignore the fact that those players wouldnt be as good as they are without Wenger in the first place.

"The only possible conclusion is that Wenger has lost the instinct that brought a crop of influential players to Arsenal during his early years … Left to his own devices, the visionary has run out of vision" Richard Williams

The Verminator wrote:yea I agree with what you're saying Franchise. More physicality is needed, and maybe we could play with weaker players as we are now, in La Liga, but in EPL i think it's a telling problem that we don't have a real DM who is strong enough. Although with rumours coming up that Bould is furious at his lack of input in trainings, i doubt we will see a more compact defense that you speak of i'm afraid.

Raptorgunner wrote:The problem with Wenger is that he keeps players out of position.

Gervinho is useless.
Ramsey is useless.
Podolski is just not there.
Giroud is lost.
Arteta scared to make forward pass, all he does is pass it to Mert and Vermaelen.
Wenger keeps giving Gervinho striker role but never gives the chances to walcott.
Should have never sold Song.


Arshavin is best Winger he never plays.
Walcott somehow is injured every other week.

Raptorgunner wrote:The problem with Wenger is that he keeps players out of position.

Gervinho is useless.
Ramsey is useless.
Podolski is just not there.
Giroud is lost.
Arteta scared to make forward pass, all he does is pass it to Mert and Vermaelen.
Wenger keeps giving Gervinho striker role but never gives the chances to walcott.
Should have never sold Song.


Arshavin is best Winger he never plays.
Walcott somehow is injured every other week.

The Franchise wrote:

The Verminator wrote:yea I agree with what you're saying Franchise. More physicality is needed, and maybe we could play with weaker players as we are now, in La Liga, but in EPL i think it's a telling problem that we don't have a real DM who is strong enough. Although with rumours coming up that Bould is furious at his lack of input in trainings, i doubt we will see a more compact defense that you speak of i'm afraid.

Yeah probably not, Wenger doesnt believe in it and I understand him. But Wenger has had one big problem his entire career for how much I love him, he is too trusting of his players to a fault. He believes in them just a little too much.

Amar wrote:Everybody looking at the ball except Gervinho

He coaching structure is complicated, with assistant manager Steve Bould apparently marginalised despite his promotion this season.

At 63, Wenger remains convinced he can improve the players, taking training every day and planning every move in meticulous detail.

Bould, a former Arsenal defender, deserved his chance after 11 years with the academy and reserves but he is largely ignored by Wenger. The pair are understood to have limited communication and the distance between them is so big that, when the boss missed training the day before Arsenal were beaten 2-0 at home by Swansea, fitness coach Tony Colbert took the session.

Bould’s appointment, on £1.5m a year, was heavily influenced by the Arsenal board following the retirement of Wenger’s trusted assistant Pat Rice at the end of last season.

Rice is still a club scout but others are frustrated by Wenger’s failure to take notice of the detailed reports they provide on players. Gervinho, who won the French league and cup double before he joined from Lille in 2011, was recommended by chief scout Steve Rowley after coming to the attention of French talent spotter Gilles Grimandi.

He scored 28 goals in 67 league games for Lille but the Ivory Coast forward has rarely threatened to make a major impact at Arsenal.

Left back Andre Santos, a surprise signing from Fenerbahce in 2011, is another mystery to the scouts.

Other coaches, like Bould, are bypassed. Neil Banfield, promoted to first-team coach after years at the academy, is paid a £1m salary but has little input in first-team affairs.

Former coaches are made to sign confidentiality agreements not to talk about Wenger’s methods.

The club used to outsource fitness checks to a specialist company at a cost of £750,000 but the Frenchman disagreed with results after he was warned players were being overworked.

Wenger was ahead of his time with sports science, diet and training methods when he arrived from Nagoya Grampus Eight in 1996. More than a decade later there is a growing feeling the rest of the Premier League have left him behind.

The manager is proud of his development strategy but one could argue that, in his 16 years, Ashley Cole and Wilshere are the only bona fide graduates from the fabled Hale End academy who have become first team regulars.

He points to the careers of Steven Sidwell, James Harper, David Bentley, Fabrice Muamba, Anthony Stokes and the Hoyte brothers as evidence of his success with young players. Others at the club believe there is little point producing players to play for other clubs.
It is an open secret at Arsenal Wenger and youth development coach Liam Brady rarely speak.
At the London Colney training centre, which was ahead of its time when built 12 years ago, there has been a noticeable shift in Wenger’s demeanour.

During the glory years at the turn of the millennium, for example, first-team players would regularly tease Kanu about the mystery surrounding his actual birthdate.

Wenger, who signed the Nigeria striker from Inter Milan in 1999, would laugh along, telling him: ‘Kanu, you know you are supposed to add a year, not subtract one.’

That was when Wenger could still rely on the famous back four as they charged towards the Premier League and FA Cup double in 2002.

Today he has tightened up, wrapping himself in his Arsenal jacket and feeling the pressure after seven years without a trophy.

Some believe the decline began with William Gallas’s infamous sitdown protest after they drew 2-2 against Birmingham but they beat AC Milan in the Champions League with goals from Cesc Fabregas and Emmanuel Adebayor in the San Siro a few days later.

Others trace the slide back to Wenger’s decision to break up the team beaten by Barcelona in the 2006 Champions League final.

Wenger always insists he is judged at the end of the season. Sadly, the verdict is already in.

Diego Armando Maradona wrote:if we bought forwards with more finesse that would itself lead to more possession. Our midfield is good at keeping the ball but they have no one to distribute it to. Gervinhos ball retention is horrid, so is girouds, podolski offers nothing outside the final stage of attack, Walcott is much better at running behind defences than playing with his back to goal. We haven't got a single player to pass the ball forward to that would inspire confidence, the best at it is Chamberlain....

free_cat wrote:Maybe Arsenal should consider playing Cazorla out wide,Podolski up top, Walcott and a midfield of arteta, Wilshere as an AM and a CB in there, probably Vermaelen. I think they could improve this way for the time being.

Diego Armando Maradona wrote:In his interview on sky sports Robson specifically mentioned Wenger doesn't do much training on defence, he didn't say training in general. It wouldn't be a surprise to me tbh

“Steve Bould is a very good coach but he’s not allowed to coach them – he doesn’t do any coaching,” he said.

“Arsène Wenger is not doing enough on the training field. He’s not coaching the players, they have got no game strategy and, because he won’t let anyone else do it, Arsenal are going backwards and some of their players are going backwards.

“Sir Alex Ferguson is not a coach. He realises that, to get the best out of his players, he has to get the best coaches.

"He’s made sure his number two is not just a yes man, which Arsène Wenger likes to appoint. Arsène Wenger, because he has got a massive ego, because he’s a dictator when it comes to Arsenal Football Club, he’s not allowing Steve Bould to do any work.”

The xcx wrote:I think incompetent suits Wenger better tbh..

Raptorgunner wrote:

Diego Armando Maradona wrote:In his interview on sky sports Robson specifically mentioned Wenger doesn't do much training on defence, he didn't say training in general. It wouldn't be a surprise to me tbh

“Steve Bould is a very good coach but he’s not allowed to coach them – he doesn’t do any coaching,” he said.

“Arsène Wenger is not doing enough on the training field. He’s not coaching the players, they have got no game strategy and, because he won’t let anyone else do it, Arsenal are going backwards and some of their players are going backwards.

“Sir Alex Ferguson is not a coach. He realises that, to get the best out of his players, he has to get the best coaches.

"He’s made sure his number two is not just a yes man, which Arsène Wenger likes to appoint. Arsène Wenger, because he has got a massive ego, because he’s a dictator when it comes to Arsenal Football Club, he’s not allowing Steve Bould to do any work.”

There has to be some truth to this.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/arsenal/9741346/Arsenal-manager-Arsene-Wengers-relationship-with-Steve-Bould-questioned-following-defeat-at-Bradford.html

"There is plenty of money there," Trust spokesman Tim Payton told BBC Sport.

"That was the message that Ivan and his finance director were giving this evening.

"He stayed for over two hours. He apologised for the result [at Bradford] and said it was not good enough and had to be better.

"The Arsenal fans were dissatisfied with the strength of the squad and particularly don't understand whether there were resources to be used.

"I specifically raised this with the finance director and his colleague and they were in no doubt there is considerable resources available to the manager ready to spend when he has identified the players he wants to sign.

"It's crystal clear that Arsenal fans need to wait until January for Arsene Wenger to use the cheque book he has been given well."

Wenger's position has come under increasing scrutiny in light on recent results, but the Trust still has complete faith in the club's most successful ever manager.

"Lots of people have asked me whether Arsene Wenger should go," said Payton.

"He certainly needs to change and improve, spend the money he's got, strengthen the set-up around him and the results will be the judge."