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Post by free_cat Wed 12 Dec 2012, 11:58

6unner wrote:
djoe26 wrote:'We sold Van Persie for football reasons' - Gazidis.
I think that the translation for this is
"Van Persie wanted to play for a football team and for football reasons like winning, Not a busines for the bottom line."
Or
"We sold him because he had ambition"

Lol. Quote material.

On the picture: Mertesacker and Sagna are... laughing?

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Post by free_cat Wed 12 Dec 2012, 12:04

furiouswindbottom wrote:
The Verminator wrote:
Samuelj29060 wrote:Gervinho looks like what he is. A complete asshole.
LOL

RealGunner wrote:Look at Chamakh :facepalm:

oh and this :facepalm:

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Honestly i don't even know how that is even possible. :facepalm:

At least Gervinho managed to put himself in the net. It's a start I suppose.

Actually, looking again he even missed that. The whole of the Gervinho must cross the line.

Brilliant. cheers
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Post by MJ Wed 12 Dec 2012, 12:34

We hit the post about 10 f*cking times. Did not catch a break yesterday. Bradfordlona came to play but to say we didn't outplay them in the second half and extra time is just extreme cynicism. We actually finally didn't look like headless chickens when Rozza came on though. So that's something, I guess.
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Post by boss Wed 12 Dec 2012, 13:43

I knew it in a way ! just dammit..we are nowhere "thnx to fkn idtk performances" again and again....as u know guys i say that when we played vs WBA also.....exceptin Wilshere -not coz he was brilliant but just comparing to others ! It is just me donno >sometimes i think that our players trying to get rid of Wenger somehow-it seems like a sabotagE to me !!!or the worst thing !they'r really s***...biG big Q?

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Post by Lex Wed 12 Dec 2012, 14:23

free_cat wrote:On the picture: Mertesacker and Sagna are... laughing?
Grimacing
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Post by Rev Wed 12 Dec 2012, 16:58

There hasn't been a better time for using this: :facepalm:

Was out last night, didn't plan on watching the match at all, I was sure of an easy 4-0 beating and a confidence boosting performance.

Came home around 11pm. I went to goal.com to discover we were still playing.

My instant reaction was What the flying *bleep*?

Once the penalties were over I just sat there laughing like a mad man.
Obviously got trolled today in school for our loss but I couldn't defend our team this time.
I just nodded and said: "Yep, we're shit"

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Post by MJ Wed 12 Dec 2012, 17:07

Yeah, that hollow, pathetically hilarious feeling when you finally run out of ways to defend Arsenal.
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Post by Raptorgunner Wed 12 Dec 2012, 17:34

I still dont understand why Wenger changed the whole team for the Cup, last game we won 7-5, the team played their heart out and every single one of them was left out other than Chamakh.

What the hell is going on in Wengers head? why risk the players getting injured against a small team.

I thought Wenger said 4th place is better than any winning small Cups? this game clearly showed Wenger is not in charge of Arsenal anymore.
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Post by Raptorgunner Wed 12 Dec 2012, 18:38

'Wenger is an embarrassment,' claims former Arsenal star Robson

The former midfielder played over 200 times for the Gunners between 1981 and 1986 and says the Frenchman is a "dictator" who does not understand the game.

In an astonishing rant, Robson criticised Wenger for his behaviour on the touchline during matches, his apparent lack of tactical awareness and his general running of the club in recent years.

“Against Bradford, tactically, Phil Parkinson showed he was a better coach than Arsene Wenger," Robson said to Sky Sports.

“As usual there were no instructions coming from Arsene Wenger on the touchline. Yes, he will rant at the fourth official, rant at the linesman and rant at the referee but he needs to start doing some actual coaching both in games and on the training ground.

“I am embarrassed with the way Arsene Wenger conducts himself these days. He doesn’t give any information to players on the field. He doesn’t do any tactical stuff and I’m told he doesn’t do much training either, yet he’ll happily have a rant at everyone else.

“There are good backroom staff at Arsenal, Steve Bould, Neil Banfield, Terry Burton – all top football people – but they can’t challenge him because Wenger is a dictator. Look at the relationship between Wenger and Bould on the touchline – they hardly speak.

“Why on earth would you appoint someone like Steve Bould, a good coach who did a great job with the youth team and has a sound understanding of the game and then not let him do any of the coaching? I’m told he hardly gets to do any at all.


“Arsene Wenger doesn’t see the danger, he doesn’t read the game. When things are going wrong and the team are making mistakes, he doesn’t rectify them and the reason he doesn’t is because he doesn’t know what the mistakes are.

“In my view it was time up for him three or four years ago. The fans have stuck by him, they always say ‘In Arsene We Trust’ but I don’t think that can be the case anymore. Tactically Arsenal are all over the place, they are underprepared defensively, and he doesn’t understand the game well enough. If you have that combination, you will always lose several football games.

“The board won’t do anything because Arsene runs the board. He is a dictator; he was even part of the appointment of Ivan Gazidis. When the manager is appointing the chief executive you have a real problem.

“The board are happy with him; they are making a lot of money and getting into Europe every year. Arsene Wenger is happy enough with that but now the fans, who pay maximum dollar for their tickets here, are not.

“Wenger was responsible for costing the side the title four or five years ago when they were top of the table by five points with a game in hand. Last year he said the press are brainwashing the public, but the only person who is brainwashing people is Arsene Wenger.

“Arsenal have good players. Good but not great. With a better manager the team would be much improved.

"There are so many easy things they can rectify and if they did that they would have a much better chance of winning things, but having Wenger in charge doesn’t let them do that.”

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Post by MJ Wed 12 Dec 2012, 18:45

The same Stewart Robson who said Arsenal should accept 12 million for RVP.
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Post by Sri Wed 12 Dec 2012, 19:33

Robson can talk when he has done 1% of what Wenger has done. Twat.

Rev wrote:There hasn't been a better time for using this: :facepalm:

Was out last night, didn't plan on watching the match at all, I was sure of an easy 4-0 beating and a confidence boosting performance.

Came home around 11pm. I went to goal.com to discover we were still playing.

My instant reaction was What the flying *bleep*?

Once the penalties were over I just sat there laughing like a mad man.
Obviously got trolled today in school for our loss but I couldn't defend our team this time.
I just nodded and said: "Yep, we're shit"


I have been in this situation all season. In that acceptance our shiteness, I find humour in our results. A lot of people don't get why I find the abject displays and the crap results funny now, but I am glad to know I am not alone.

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Post by Raptorgunner Wed 12 Dec 2012, 20:02

"You feel embarrassed when you don't give everything, I think they'll be more disappointed and frustrated."
:facepalm:
If it was just one game I understand, but every single game. :facepalm:

You're a stubborn one, Wenger. When will you learn? Wenger should be Embarrassed and apologies to the fans for what is going on.

The players should be embarrassed and benched for the next game, I dont care other than Jack the rest should sit on the *bleep* bench on Monday.

Wenger is blind other than Jack no one gave anything, what game was he watching? :facepalm:
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Post by RealGunner Thu 13 Dec 2012, 00:13

'Torquay's 10 men were trickier than Arsenal': Bradford hero amazed by poor Gunners- Mirror


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Post by DuringTheWar Thu 13 Dec 2012, 00:33

srigooner wrote:Robson can talk when he has done 1% of what Wenger has done. Twat.

Eh, robson was a great player for arsenal, a much better footballer than wenger was and a very tactically astute one. Hes entitled to his opinion
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Post by Raptorgunner Thu 13 Dec 2012, 00:35

RealGunner wrote:'Torquay's 10 men were trickier than Arsenal': Bradford hero amazed by poor Gunners- Mirror



Reading this made want to puke, so depressed. I am going to gym, if I stay home will go an buy pack of smoke. Sad
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Post by Lex Thu 13 Dec 2012, 02:48

Diego Armando Maradona wrote:
srigooner wrote:Robson can talk when he has done 1% of what Wenger has done. Twat.

Eh, robson was a great player for arsenal, a much better footballer than wenger was and a very tactically astute one. Hes entitled to his opinion
If he were critiquing Wenger's playing days, i could understand. But to call him an embarrassment is a joke
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Post by Raptorgunner Thu 13 Dec 2012, 03:13

Lex wrote:
Diego Armando Maradona wrote:
srigooner wrote:Robson can talk when he has done 1% of what Wenger has done. Twat.

Eh, robson was a great player for arsenal, a much better footballer than wenger was and a very tactically astute one. Hes entitled to his opinion
If he were critiquing Wenger's playing days, i could understand. But to call him an embarrassment is a joke

[quote]“I am embarrassed with the way Arsene Wenger conducts himself these days.[/quote]
Arent we all embarrassed at what is going at Arsenal?

I dont think he said anything wrong, what ever it takes to change Wenger I am with that.

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Post by The Franchise Thu 13 Dec 2012, 03:52

You can say many things about Wenger, many bad things...but to say he does not understand the game is one of the most stupid things I ever heard.

Very easy to be a coach from the TV isnt it?

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Post by The Franchise Thu 13 Dec 2012, 03:55

And can I add, he talks about Arsenal having "good players" who "would do better with a better coach".

Way to ignore the fact that those players wouldnt be as good as they are without Wenger in the first place.

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Post by the xcx Thu 13 Dec 2012, 04:06

I think incompetent suits Wenger better tbh..

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Post by The Franchise Thu 13 Dec 2012, 04:11

State an actual opinion, as in reasons, logic, thinking...or please leave.
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Post by RedOranje Thu 13 Dec 2012, 04:14

Knock it off, xcx.
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Post by The Verminator Thu 13 Dec 2012, 04:18

The Franchise wrote:And can I add, he talks about Arsenal having "good players" who "would do better with a better coach".

Way to ignore the fact that those players wouldnt be as good as they are without Wenger in the first place.

If you were Arsenal head coach tomorrow what would you do?

As a matter of fact what is your view, on what the issue is.......
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Post by Eman Thu 13 Dec 2012, 04:29

Stewart Robson has a big mouth and talks far too much crap. Wenger is a much smarter man than Robson is. Has Wenger made some bad calls recently? Hell yeah, and he has for a few years at various times in terms of transfer decisions and even tactics, but he's not an idiot. He can still save us. He could also fail to do so, but Robson acting like anybody could do a better job is absurd.
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Post by The Franchise Thu 13 Dec 2012, 04:38

The Verminator wrote:
The Franchise wrote:And can I add, he talks about Arsenal having "good players" who "would do better with a better coach".

Way to ignore the fact that those players wouldnt be as good as they are without Wenger in the first place.

If you were Arsenal head coach tomorrow what would you do?

As a matter of fact what is your view, on what the issue is.......

Honestly, I want to pretend I could answer this but I cant. I just dont know how much control Wenger has and how much he can spent...the answers seem so confusing. Some say he doesnt have money to spend, he says he does and he chooses not to, some way the wage restriction are on him, some say they arent...so I really dont know.

My basic opinion is Arsenal used to be the best passing and possession team in the league. So they can outpass you plus they can keep the ball. Keeping the ball was a way to drive the opponant back and protect the defence, while being a great passing team has an obvious advantage.

Basically, your not that team anymore. You dont have the personal.

Honestly, I liked what was happening with Steve Bold. The defence line further back and more compact.

I think you have generally too many small players, too many physically weak players and you no longer protect them by having the ball alot.

What I would do? Drop the lines back, get back to using fundemental defensive principles and defend as a compact unit. Its always easier to be defensive than offensive and you really do have to start from there if your not the most talented. Being more talented than teams you lost too dont matter, because while your more talented they are still to a degree inconsistent and making the game open only gives the opponant more chances.

In terms of changes to the squad, I am convinced you generally need more physicality. I am also alarmed by the lack of craft in the attack. Giroud, Walcott, Gervinho and Podolski have various qualities (some more than others) but I wouldnt call any of them really intelligent, creative, smart players.

So defence and midfield, more physicality and size. In attack more finesse and guile. It all seems rather predictable..but not even in the old Arsenal, pass sideways around the box way. In a much worse way.
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Post by DuringTheWar Thu 13 Dec 2012, 04:39

The thing about Robson, is that his views on coaching are different to wengers. Wenger has a philosophy of how we play and he does not change it even when we are struggling, Robson is much more pragmatic, much more willing to change things. For example, when we played against Barcelona we were getting destroyed trying to play out from the back, but we kept trying anyway and kept losing the ball in dangerous areas, Robson spent the entire 45 minutes basically calling for us to play the ball behind Barcelona instead (basically become direct), cause let's face it it might not have been pretty but it would have been more effective than losing the ball outside our own penalty area with stupid backheels ( for example) Against Bradford they shut down the central areas but we still tried to constantly pick a way through instead of varying our play. Anyway, the point is Robson perceives wengers refusal to adapt our approach to games as a lack of understanding, maybe that is wrong but I'm sure that's his reasoning.
The Franchise wrote:And can I add, he talks about Arsenal having "good players" who "would do better with a better coach".

Way to ignore the fact that those players wouldnt be as good as they are without Wenger in the first place.

This is where I feel sorry for Wenger, the players he genuinely improved left him as soon as money/hometowns called
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