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Post by rwo power Fri Dec 07, 2012 8:58 am

I wonder if one shouldn't put Dortmund on one level with Real when judging on current form. They are both third in their leagues and Dortmund actually was better than Real in the CL.

(Note: I don't look at how good the players are supposed to be on paper or who is more famous, but I judge from what they actually did in the matches.)

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Post by S Fri Dec 07, 2012 9:31 am

From my perspective i didnt put Dortmund on the same level as Madrid cuz even though both teams' league performances have been on par i believe they lose out on the inexperience factor as far as the CL competition is concerned..I mean this is like their first 'real' season in the CL.Madrid on the other hand have been semi-finalists for two years in a row now clearly have all the capabilities to go one better not saying Dortmund cant but for me they have lot more to prove in Europe if they are to be placed in the same tier as the likes of Barca and Madrid and just outplaying the likes of Madrid in the Group Stages wont suffice.They need to go far in the competition to make a point.
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Post by VivaStPauli Fri Dec 07, 2012 9:44 am

1
Barca
Bayern

2
Real
Dortmund
United
Juve

3
Donezk
Arsenal
Milan
PSG
Schalke

3.5
Valencia
Porto
Atletico

4
The rest
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Post by tonger Fri Dec 07, 2012 10:09 am

yay milan still making to tier 3 while sitting 7th in the league banana
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Post by Kaladin Fri Dec 07, 2012 10:27 am

tonger wrote:yay milan still making to tier 3 while sitting 7th in the league banana

Its like winning a trophy banana
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Post by free_cat Fri Dec 07, 2012 11:08 am

VivaStPauli wrote:1
Barca
Bayern

2
Real
Dortmund
United
Juve

3
Donezk
Arsenal
Milan
PSG
Schalke

3.5
Valencia
Porto
Atletico

4
The rest

No need to succumb to peer pressure Viva. You can put your real ranking:

1- Bayern Munich
BVB Dortmund

2- Schalcke
Leverkusen
Barça

3- Stuttgart
Bremen
Mainz
Madrid
Manchester United
Juve
Milan
PSG

4- Rest of Bundesliga

5- The rest.
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Post by S Fri Dec 07, 2012 11:28 am

free_cat wrote:
VivaStPauli wrote:1
Barca
Bayern

2
Real
Dortmund
United
Juve

3
Donezk
Arsenal
Milan
PSG
Schalke

3.5
Valencia
Porto
Atletico

4
The rest

No need to succumb to peer pressure Viva. You can put your real ranking:

1- Bayern Munich
BVB Dortmund

2- Schalcke
Leverkusen
Barça

3- Stuttgart
Bremen
Mainz
Madrid
Manchester United
Juve
Milan
PSG

4- Rest of Bundesliga

5- The rest.

I Lol'd hard tbh.
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Post by VivaStPauli Fri Dec 07, 2012 11:33 am

And yet I'm completetely serious, and don't expect this UCL season to prove me wrong. Now what? :X
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Post by free_cat Fri Dec 07, 2012 11:42 am

This season CL will prove what CL proves every season: German teams suck balls except Bayern. If Bayern sucks ball, no german team does anything of merit.
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Post by VivaStPauli Fri Dec 07, 2012 11:52 am

If you say that after we all saw the Spanish, English, and Dutch Champions getting their asses handed to them by Dortmund, how am I supposed to argue with you? Very Happy
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Post by Die Borussen Fri Dec 07, 2012 11:55 am

yet again 3 out of 4 semi finalists will be spanish Wink

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Post by free_cat Fri Dec 07, 2012 11:56 am

VivaStPauli wrote:If you say that after we all saw the Spanish, English, and Dutch Champions getting their asses handed to them by Dortmund, how am I supposed to argue with you? Very Happy

It's group stages. Dortmund won't get far, Schalke less.
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Post by 7amood11 Fri Dec 07, 2012 12:22 pm

Idiot wrote:barcelona
real madrid
bayern

man u
man city
benfica
arsenal
milan
chelsea

psg
zenit
shakhtar
juventus
schalke
ajax
valencia

Milan and Chelsea over Juventus? Still aren't over your irrational hate I see...
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Post by The Franchise Fri Dec 07, 2012 12:27 pm

Surag wrote:My updated list.

Tier 1
FC Barcelona
FC Bayern Munich
Real Madrid

Tier 2
Manchester United
Borussia Dortmund
Juventus

Tier 2.5
Manchester City
Arsenal
Chelsea

Tier 3
AC Milan
PSG
FC Schalke 04
Valencia
Shakthar Donetsk
Atletico Madrid
FC Porto

And the rest.

Arsenal and Chelsea above Shakthar and Atletico?

Maybe on paper, but on the pitch I dont see it right now. Chelsea and Arsenal have no buisness on that level. City maybe.

I also aint sure Bayern and Madrid are better than Man Utd.
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Post by Die Borussen Fri Dec 07, 2012 12:31 pm

7amood11 wrote:
Idiot wrote:barcelona
real madrid
bayern

man u
man city
benfica
arsenal
milan
chelsea

psg
zenit
shakhtar
juventus
schalke
ajax
valencia

Milan and Chelsea over Juventus? Still aren't over your irrational hate I see...
now that gil created that thread, everyone is using that 'irrational' word Laughing
anyway that was 3 months back, right now id probably put them over both of them since juve managed to qualify unlike chelsea and milan isnt doing great domestically

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Post by 7amood11 Fri Dec 07, 2012 12:36 pm

Idiot wrote:
7amood11 wrote:
Idiot wrote:barcelona
real madrid
bayern

man u
man city
benfica
arsenal
milan
chelsea

psg
zenit
shakhtar
juventus
schalke
ajax
valencia

Milan and Chelsea over Juventus? Still aren't over your irrational hate I see...
now that gil created that thread, everyone is using that 'irrational' word Laughing
anyway that was 3 months back, right now id probably put them over both of them since juve managed to qualify unlike chelsea and milan isnt doing great domestically

Your post was from 3 months back? :facepalm:

I thought it was posted after Juve won the CL group, my bad Laughing
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Fri Dec 07, 2012 12:56 pm

Tier 1: Barca, Bayern, Real

Tier 2: Dortmund, Juventus Man Utd

Tier 3: Shakhtar, Chelsea, Atletico, Arsenal

Tier 4: PSG, Porto, Schalke, Malaga

Tier 5: The rest
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Post by S Fri Dec 07, 2012 1:11 pm

Idiot wrote:yet again 3 out of 4 semi finalists will be spanish Wink

Dont try to make a bet on this again otherwise you will be made to look like a fool.. :coffee:

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Surag wrote:My updated list.

Tier 1
FC Barcelona
FC Bayern Munich
Real Madrid

Tier 2
Manchester United
Borussia Dortmund
Juventus

Tier 2.5
Manchester City
Arsenal
Chelsea

Tier 3
AC Milan
PSG
FC Schalke 04
Valencia
Shakthar Donetsk
Atletico Madrid
FC Porto

And the rest.

Arsenal and Chelsea above Shakthar and Atletico?

Maybe on paper, but on the pitch I dont see it right now. Chelsea and Arsenal have no buisness on that level. City maybe.

I also aint sure Bayern and Madrid are better than Man Utd.

My only debatable choice in my opinion is Arsenal being higher than the likes of Shakthar and Atletico otherwise i have no doubt over my choices.

Chelsea are still better for me but its marginal.Hypothetically if Chelsea meet Shakthar or Atletico in a 2 legged tie i fancy them to beat them boith.

Also unless Man United dont get their midfield sorted out they are still below Bayern and Madrid for me.Besides the last 'tough' opponent they faced in the CL was Barcelona in the final..I'd like to see how they'd fare against teams with top quality midfields but until then Tier 2 suits them fine right now imo.
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Post by Die Borussen Fri Dec 07, 2012 1:19 pm

Surag wrote:
Idiot wrote:yet again 3 out of 4 semi finalists will be spanish Wink

Dont try to make a bet on this again otherwise you will be made to look like a fool.. :coffee:
:I'mveryunoriginal:
2 out of 4 stands for a bet from my side, 3 out of 4 is too risky silent
anyway im gonna beat you in the dortmund bet so eco smile

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Post by The Franchise Fri Dec 07, 2012 1:28 pm

Surag wrote:
Idiot wrote:yet again 3 out of 4 semi finalists will be spanish Wink

Dont try to make a bet on this again otherwise you will be made to look like a fool.. :coffee:

The Franchise wrote:
Surag wrote:My updated list.

Tier 1
FC Barcelona
FC Bayern Munich
Real Madrid

Tier 2
Manchester United
Borussia Dortmund
Juventus

Tier 2.5
Manchester City
Arsenal
Chelsea

Tier 3
AC Milan
PSG
FC Schalke 04
Valencia
Shakthar Donetsk
Atletico Madrid
FC Porto

And the rest.

Arsenal and Chelsea above Shakthar and Atletico?

Maybe on paper, but on the pitch I dont see it right now. Chelsea and Arsenal have no buisness on that level. City maybe.

I also aint sure Bayern and Madrid are better than Man Utd.

My only debatable choice in my opinion is Arsenal being higher than the likes of Shakthar and Atletico otherwise i have no doubt over my choices.

Chelsea are still better for me but its marginal.Hypothetically if Chelsea meet Shakthar or Atletico in a 2 legged tie i fancy them to beat them boith.

Also unless Man United dont get their midfield sorted out they are still below Bayern and Madrid for me.Besides the last 'tough' opponent they faced in the CL was Barcelona in the final..I'd like to see how they'd fare against teams with top quality midfields but until then Tier 2 suits them fine right now imo.

Fair enough but Atletico already beat this Chelsea 4-0 this season so I find that somewhat hard to believe.

Shakthar to me is better than Chelsea too but fair enough.

Man Utd midfield? The have the same midfield which got to two CL finals...I dont get why its important. Man Utd at least got to the final, what have Madrid done?

Not saying they are better than Madrid, but I am not sure who would win so I wouldnt know how to seperate them.
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Post by S Fri Dec 07, 2012 2:31 pm

Not sure why that 2 CL finals argument is brought up here.One was almost 5 years ago and the other final they reached recently they had opponents such as Marseille,Chelsea and Schalke en route to their passage to the final ,hardly intimidating opponents in my opinion.

And i dont buy that 'they dint take EL seriously' excuse.They got battered courtesy of Bilbao's quality midfield both home and away.

Not only their midfield but their defense also looks weaker from say 2 years ago when they reached the final.

Lets talk about the present now anyway,so far they've only faced scrubs in their group and let United come up against a worthy opponent such as Madrid or Bayern and then we'll see but until then i refuse to rate them above or on par with Bayern and Madrid.
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Post by jibers Sat Dec 08, 2012 10:55 am

Tier 1
Barcelona

Tier 2
Bayern Munich
Dortmund
Real Madrid
Juventus
United
Shakter Donesk

Tier 3
Atletico Madrid
Chelsea
Manchester Shitty
Malaga
Milan
Arsenal
Schalke
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Post by Onyx Sat Dec 08, 2012 11:13 am

Tier 1:

Barca
Bayern

Tier 2:

Borussia Dortmund
Real Madrid
Man Utd
Juventus

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Post by The Messiah Sat Dec 08, 2012 12:02 pm

free_cat wrote:
The Messiah wrote:Tier 1

Barcelona
Real Madrid



Tier 2
Manchester United
Juventus
Manchester City
Dortmund

Tier 3
Arsenal
Chelsea
Valencia
AC Milan
Schalke

Where is Bayern Mesiah?
Extra-top-super tier?

I think it's not fair if I rate us, people think my opinion are biased.
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Post by The Messiah Sat Dec 08, 2012 12:06 pm

1
Barca


2
Dortmund
Juve

3
United
Madrid
Schlake 04

4
Donezk
Arsenal
Milan
PSG
Malaga
Chelsea
City
Valencia
Porto
Atletico
Bayer leverkusen

4
The rest
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Post by Madvillain Sat Dec 08, 2012 2:09 pm

Bayern tier 0 huh.

I'd go with:

Tier 1
Bayern
Barça

EDIT:Tier 1.5
Madrid

Tier 2
United
Shaktar
Atletico
Juve
Dortmund

Tier 3
City
Arsenal
PSG
Chelsea
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