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Post by RedOranje Fri Sep 14, 2012 11:52 pm

Nah, if China starts something it will be over/with Taiwan and/or Japan. Anything else will come after.

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Post by TalkingReckless Sat Sep 15, 2012 12:08 am

the chinese are smart, their only goal atm is to make themselves bigger by controlling strategic positions in the world, such as 3rd world countries, China is spending Billions in Africa to build things there and the same in Pakistan, they were given control over a whole Port city recently which gives then access to a major stop in the route to Middle East
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Post by VivaStPauli Sat Sep 15, 2012 12:17 am

zizzle wrote:its really annoying that enlighted people like Viva stil buy into that democracy crap when the examples that refute it are countless

I said the West supports democracies, I didn't say the West only supports democracies.
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Post by Nishankly Sat Sep 15, 2012 1:24 am

RealGunner wrote:Why ?

They have been poking the border for quite some while now.
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Post by BeautifulGame Mon Sep 17, 2012 5:14 pm

Nishank wrote:
RealGunner wrote:Why ?

They have been poking the border for quite some while now.

We exactly arent saints tbh.

And India is the last country China would dream of blowing up.Just check out the figures of our imports and exports with China.
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Post by TalkingReckless Mon Sep 17, 2012 9:47 pm

China doesn't need arms to destroy a country they have enough economical strength that they could mess up the countries economy from inside out
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Post by RedOranje Mon Sep 17, 2012 10:27 pm

China's economy is based heavily on their exports and trade with near neighbors and the US. In fact most of the major powers in eastern Asia rely heavily on trade (even more so than other parts of the world) to sustain their national economies. For that reason alone, it's very unlikely there will be any armed conflict there for a while yet, unless something drastic happens.

China, for all their internal issues, know very well that they're THE growing power in the world economy and are on the path to being the next unilateral world power, if they haven't already pushed for that seat. They will bide their time and play the patient game.
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Post by Mamad Fri Sep 21, 2012 12:27 pm



Lies lies and lies. there is no suicide bomber in Iran. not a single case in past years.
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Post by Swanhends Fri Sep 21, 2012 1:02 pm

RealGunner wrote:Iran says it will counter US presence in its waters by sending ships to the international waters off the US coast, says Iranian Navy chief Admiral Sayyari.

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Post by Pedram Sat Sep 29, 2012 5:52 pm

Just saw this:

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/08/odds-of-war-with-iran-increase-to-40/261724/

Time to beat the crap out of them. :coffee:
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Post by Mamad Sat Sep 29, 2012 10:41 pm



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Post by RealGunner Sat Sep 29, 2012 11:24 pm

lmao

So he wants Israel to be the only country in middle east to have nuclear technology ?

Seems fair enough
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Post by BarrileteCosmico Sun Sep 30, 2012 2:35 am

I think we can all agree that of all the countries in the middle east who would be able to wield a nuclear warhead responsibly, Iran is not on that list.

Either way the technology is 60 years old. Pretty soon everyone and their grandmothers will have one.
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Post by TalkingReckless Sun Sep 30, 2012 5:56 am

BarrileteCosmico wrote:I think we can all agree that of all the countries in the middle east who would be able to wield a nuclear warhead responsibly, Iran is not on that list.

Either way the technology is 60 years old. Pretty soon everyone and their grandmothers will have one.

the technology isn't 60 years old, the nukes right now are 10x if not more stronger then 40-50s ones...
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Post by VivaStPauli Sun Sep 30, 2012 8:32 am

The 40s-50s ones were strong enough to function properly as a deterrent already, though, so who cares.
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Post by Yuri Yukuv Wed Oct 03, 2012 2:49 pm

Iran is burning down, the rial is using value fast and there is protests in tehran.

Soon the GDP per capita of an Iranian individual will be less than half in dollar terms
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Post by Mamad Wed Oct 03, 2012 6:49 pm

Let it burn smoking .

Seriously, Ahamdinejad's government has to go. as Yuri said economy's situation is s**t. and his governments stupidness is the main reason for this.

that being said, we have a lot of experiences like this. Iran's economy isn't like any other country lol. it can turn 180 degree in a week. positive or negative.

and about protests Laughing . economic protests in some europe countries is 50x more than Iran so they will burn before Iran lol.
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Post by Yuri Yukuv Wed Oct 03, 2012 9:13 pm

Mamad wrote:Let it burn smoking .

Seriously, Ahamdinejad's government has to go. as Yuri said economy's situation is s**t. and his governments stupidness is the main reason for this.

that being said, we have a lot of experiences like this. Iran's economy isn't like any other country lol. it can turn 180 degree in a week. positive or negative.

and about protests Laughing . economic protests in some europe countries is 50x more than Iran so they will burn before Iran lol.

I would be happy if both the EU and IRI burn down as institutions today, both started as idealistic projects that are now suffocating their people.
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Post by RealGunner Wed Oct 03, 2012 10:04 pm

EU will more or less burn down in few years. Iran has a better future though
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Post by Guest Fri Oct 05, 2012 5:06 pm

Romney will sort this shit out when he gets the power !

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Post by Swanhends Fri Oct 05, 2012 5:23 pm

Schweini wrote:Romney will sort this shit out when he gets the power !

COME ON MITT

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Post by Yuri Yukuv Fri Oct 05, 2012 7:39 pm

Got this note today, related to what we were talking about:

A number of macro-issues could "go the right way" in the coming months.

Correspondent David N. gently suggested I devote some effort to what could go right in the months ahead, and I think this is an excellent suggestion.

I notice that you are relentlessly negative in your outlook, and a wise sage once told me that this is a trap that many erudite people fall into--namely, being too negative about the future. Occasionally you have to force yourself to study the other side, the bullish "yin" to the bearish "yang". I think you and your readers would be well-served if you would devote some of your ruminations to what can possibly "go right."

Thank you, David, for presenting me with a positive challenge. I think David is right about the trap, though I suspect it is less a trap of negativity and more one of being pressed into stripping away the artifice and propaganda that obfuscates the real situation, depriving us of the first step toward solutions: accepting reality and setting aside fantasies.

This was the point of yesterday's entry, The Positive Power of Crisis (October 4, 2012).

Some of you may think I am being jocularly dismissive in my list, but I am quite serious. Nothing good can possibly come from artifice, propaganda, misdirection and simulacra "fixes." Something must break through the facade for good things to happen. OK, let's get started:

1. The global contraction could pick up momentum, crushing demand for oil. Recall that the price of oil is set on the margins, so modest fluctuations in supply and demand have outsized effects on price. Price drops when demand falls faster than supply, meaning that global exports of oil could decline but as long as demand declines even more sharply than supply, the price of oil could plummet.

The price of oil falling in half would be a great boon for consumers around the world, and as we will see below, it even has a silver lining for citizens of oil exporting nations. Using 2008 as a recent model, we can expect oil to fall to $35/barrel once demand craters. Below around $50/barrel, oil-dependent regimes such as Iran and Venezuela cannot fund their militaries, welfare states and bureaucracies. As a result they will implode.

2. Mideast tensions decline as the Syrian dictatorship collapses and an attack on Iran is shelved by the U.S. There are too many long-standing tensions and conflicts in the Mideast to hope for anything but relative calm, but relative calm would be conducive to a slow normalization of relations and modest but steady improvements in the lives of residents.

The collapse of the Baathist dictatorship in Syria would be a major positive, as the Syrian grip on Lebanon would loosen, Iran would lose its key regional ally, and the Syrian people would have a chance (not a guarantee, but an opportunity nonetheless) to establish a government that was less oppressive and more responsive to their aspirations.

Notice what happens when you combine 1) and 2): the Iranian dictatorship also falls. The Iranian people have long suffered under a repressive dictatorship, and its collapse would give them a chance (not a guarantee, but an opportunity nonetheless) to establish a government that was less oppressive and more responsive to their aspirations. (Ditto Venezuela.)

Iran is already suffering from hyper-inflation, more from gross mismanagement of the economy than from Western sanctions, though the sanctions provide an easy target for the failed regime. Street protests are spontaneously arising as people's already-limited wealth is completely and utterly destroyed by the regime's cronyism and incompetence.

Following the SOP (standard operating procedure) of all dictatorships, the Iranian regime is responding to the impoverishment of its citizens with police suppression. The collapse of oil prices will provide the last straw.

Although you won't read this in the mainstream media (MSM), the U.S. does not want Iran destroyed or crippled, as Shi'ite Iran provides an essential counterbalance to Sunni extremism. Those predicting an Israeli strike on Iran will be proven wrong, as the U.S. has nixed that as counterproductive to the Great Game.

Once traders finally "get it" that the Israeli war drums were largely domestic politics in action and the U.S. has ixnayed military action against Iran, the "war premium" currently priced into oil will dissipate.

As I have long suggested, a massive, sustained decline in oil is a "head-fake" in the bigger scheme of things, but in the near-term it will provide a catalyst for all sorts of incompetent, oppressive oil-dependent dictatorships to exit stage left, clearing the stage for more responsive and competent governments.

3. One nation exits the euro and the sun rises the following day on a healing Europe. It might be Greece, it might be Germany, it might be Spain, it might be Italy: all that matters is that somebody steps up and exits the euro and renounces all its debts, or in the case of Germany, renounces its promises to cover all the impaired private-bank debt that is crushing Europe.

Once people wake up and find the sun is shining despite the "disaster," they will realize the real disaster was trying to pay unpayable debts and promises and staying in the euro. Life will quickly get better once one brave and resolute set of leaders renounces unpayable debts and exits the euro. Other nations will quickly follow and the owners of bad debt will finally be handed the losses that are well and truly theirs to absorb.

Renounce and restructure: there is no other way forward. What could go right is one nation declares the truth, renounces unpayable debt and exits the euro and the iron stranglehold of the European Central Bank (ECB)/Troika.

* Why the Eurozone and the Euro Are Both Doomed (June 23, 2011)
* Yet Another Reason Why the Euro Is Doomed (October 17, 2011)
* Why the Euro Might Devolve into Euro1 and Euro2 (March 2, 2010)
* What's Lost With the Demise of the Euro? Only What Was Unsustainable (November 22, 2011)
* Why Isn't Anyone Talking About Writing Off 3 Trillion Euros of Bad Debt? (November 15, 2011)
* It's Your Choice, Europe: Rebel Against the Banks or Accept Debt-Serfdom (December 5, 2011)
* A Crazy Idea That Might Just Work: Greece's New Currency, the U.S. Dollar (May 14, 2012)

4. The U.S. dollar continues strengthening, making imports cheaper for U.S. households. No nation ever became powerful with a weakening currency. Non-U.S. holders of capital are moving their capital into the U.S. at a rate of about $75 billion a month, roughly equivalent to the Fed's entire QE3 program. This is good news for households and the U.S. economy, despite the naysayers who claim the U.S. dollar's rise is some sort of catastrophe for America.

Yes, exports may be pressured, but they're going to be pressured by global recession anyway. A stronger dollar helps reprice money, debt and risk, all of which desperately need repricing.

* What's Hated Most May Be a Contrarian Buy (U.S. Dollar) (April 19, 2011)
* Some Heretical Thoughts on the U.S. Dollar (November 21, 2011)
* Why the U.S. Dollar Is Not Going to Zero Anytime Soon (July 23, 2012)

5. Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke takes one too many hits of Ibogaine and suffers an unprecedented bout of inexplicable honesty, declaring on national TV that the Fed is a ponzi scheme, he has no control over employment and the Fed exists to preserve the banks' wealth and power. The normally sedate Chairman apologizes to the American people for lying about the Fed's real agenda and its illusory power to fix a dysfunctional, corrupt, fraud-based neofeudal economy.

OK, I realize this is unlikely, but history is replete with unexpected eruptions of truth and honesty by an insider who finally sickens of all the lies, prevarications, half-truths, secret bailouts, pay-offs, bribes and cronyism that is the Status Quo in America's machinery of finance and governance. It won't be Ben, but perhaps someone in the Power Elite will finally value his/her integrity above cash and status and deliver the truth to the public.

It's a long shot, but we can always hope. Without truth, there is truly no hope.
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Post by RealGunner Thu Oct 25, 2012 10:30 pm

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/oct/25/uk-reject-us-request-bases-iran?CMP=twt_gu

Britain has rebuffed US pleas to use military bases in the UK to support the build-up of forces in the Gulf, citing secret legal advice which states that any pre-emptive strike on Iran could be in breach of international law.

The Guardian has been told that US diplomats have also lobbied for the use of British bases in Cyprus, and for permission to fly from US bases on Ascension Island in the Atlantic and Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean, both of which are British territories.

The US approaches are part of contingency planning over the nuclear standoff with Tehran, but British ministers have so far reacted coolly. They have pointed US officials to legal advice drafted by the attorney general's office which has been circulated to Downing Street, the Foreign Office and the Ministry of Defence.

This makes clear that Iran, which has consistently denied it has plans to develop a nuclear weapon, does not currently represent "a clear and present threat". Providing assistance to forces that could be involved in a pre-emptive strike would be a clear breach of international law, it states.

"The UK would be in breach of international law if it facilitated what amounted to a pre-emptive strike on Iran," said a senior Whitehall source. "It is explicit. The government has been using this to push back against the Americans."

ThankGod for that.
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Post by Mamad Fri Nov 09, 2012 7:41 pm

Now they added Medicine to sanctions. how Humanitarian.
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Post by Pedram Fri Dec 20, 2013 12:34 am

President Barack Obama would veto Iran sanctions legislation introduced in the Senate today, according to White House spokesman Jay Carney, who said the measure would increase the chance of war.

Carney’s comments underscored a rift between Obama and some lawmakers, including Democrats, about whether sanctions legislation would prod Iran toward a nuclear deal or derail the talks aimed at assuring the government in Tehran doesn’t produce nuclear weapons. It also put the administration at odds with the pro-Israel lobbying group, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, which endorsed Menendez’s bill.

“Passing new sanctions legislation now will undermine our efforts to achieve a peaceful resolution and greatly increase the chances that the United States would have to take military action,” Carney said at a briefing today.

Twenty-six U.S. senators, half of them Democrats, introduced the bill to hit Iran with further sanctions if it violates a six-month accord with the U.S. and other nations or fails to reach a final agreement curtailing its nuclear program.

The legislation also calls for the U.S. to support Israel if it “is compelled to take military action in legitimate self-defense against Iran’s nuclear weapon program.”

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-12-19/iran-nuclear-sanctions-bill-draws-white-house-veto-threat.html

Would Obama veto the sanctions bill ?
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Post by Mamad Fri Dec 20, 2013 9:59 am

United States...... says stop 20% enrichment and from now we will not add new sanctions....7 days later....adds 20 more companies to list of sanctions....

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But i have to give credit to Obama and Kerry. standing up against all of them war monger conservatives in congress.
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