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Post by danyjr Sun Jun 17, 2012 11:38 pm

buddytaller wrote:I think he's done more than enough to deserve the Ballon D'Or this year, hope this would be the second of many more to come for him. cheers
:facepalm:

lol @ your signature GIF. You wish that's what happened every time Messi faced Marcelo though.

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Post by billionmillion Sun Jun 17, 2012 11:39 pm

to tell the truth if he wins Euro he will equal his chance with Messi to win Ballon Dor. If not people will vote messi. as you can see majority is in messi's side...only if he win euro he will have 50/50 chance..now its 30/70
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Post by billionmillion Sun Jun 17, 2012 11:45 pm

How can he change people's mind that he is better than Messi? example his shoot from long range today was better than his 2 goals things like this makes people impressed. but unlikely it happens 1-2 times in a season.

I already lost my hope that he will never change people's thoughts he is better than messi. because messi has more to offer than him so he always will be more impressed than ronaldo..so what to do accept it and tell FIFA to make a new "second best player" award
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Post by buddytaller Sun Jun 17, 2012 11:56 pm

He doesn't have to be a better player than Messi to win the Ballon D'Or, he's had a tremendous season already, leading Madrid to winning their first league title in 4 years 9 points ahead of Barcelona.

And as a Bonus he's helped Portugal out of the group of death. Fantastic season already.

He's my vote for the Ballon D'Or.
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Post by danyjr Mon Jun 18, 2012 12:04 am

Thankfully and rightfully you won't be voting for Ballon d'Or winner Smile
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Post by jontsu Mon Jun 18, 2012 12:10 am

buddytaller wrote:He doesn't have to be a better player than Messi to win the Ballon D'Or, he's had a tremendous season already, leading Madrid to winning their first league title in 4 years 9 points ahead of Barcelona.

And as a Bonus he's helped Portugal out of the group of death. Fantastic season already.

He's my vote for the Ballon D'Or.
Messi decided la-ligas el clasico in December, including CDR & Super copa.
Ronaldo decided, or should i say ozil decided the last clasico. And because it was the latest clasico, people of course tend to remember the latest better than others and think Ronaldo shined in all Barca fixtures.
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Post by billionmillion Mon Jun 18, 2012 12:16 am

buddytaller wrote:He doesn't have to be a better player than Messi to win the Ballon D'Or, he's had a tremendous season already, leading Madrid to winning their first league title in 4 years 9 points ahead of Barcelona.

And as a Bonus he's helped Portugal out of the group of death. Fantastic season already.

He's my vote for the Ballon D'Or.
Without his goals madrid are champions. without his goals portugal are through :facepalm: they got through in second game against denmark..and when holland lost vs germany...

how he can win if voters think he is not the best player? did you forgot 2010
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Post by buddytaller Mon Jun 18, 2012 12:23 am

That is nonsense, without his goals Madrid would not have beaten Barcelona at the Camp Nou or Atletico away. Barcelona would have won the league with 10 matches to spare.

I understand Messi did great in a relatively inferior team, but Ronaldo delivered and led his team to the title.
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Post by Swanhends Mon Jun 18, 2012 12:30 am

Never gets full credit because he is rich, handsome and successful and every1 is jelly of his calves and thighs hmm
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Post by Gil Mon Jun 18, 2012 12:50 am

Shite player.
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Post by Calebvision Mon Jun 18, 2012 1:12 am

Recognized by pundits one of the greatest players ever and no gratuitous thread on this forum will change that.

Further, Ibra, RVP, etc., etc., will NEVER be recognized by any pundit as being among the greatest players ever, obviously, talented as many of the may be!

In the interest of fair play, please post any claim ( by a recognized "expert", not some poster on here ) that Ibra, or RVP ( for example ) are mong the greatest players ever. Such claims about Ronaldo, are common and will only increase over next 3, or so, years.

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Post by Lex Mon Jun 18, 2012 1:20 am

Cronaldo is NOT one of the greatest players ever. To think so would be to make a mockery of the concept of "greatest player(s) ever"
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Post by Mr Nick09 Mon Jun 18, 2012 1:23 am

Lex wrote:Cronaldo is NOT one of the greatest players ever. To think so would be to make a mockery of the concept of "greatest player(s) ever"

But he is, what are you talking about?
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Post by Swanhends Mon Jun 18, 2012 1:30 am

Gil wrote:Shite player.

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Lex wrote:Cronaldo is NOT one of the greatest players ever. To think so would be to make a mockery of the concept of "greatest player(s) ever"

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Post by kiranr Mon Jun 18, 2012 1:30 am

He is a goal scorer and he scores a lot of goals. He is definitely a top 2 goal scorer.

If you remove his supply, he won't be able to score as much. But the thing is, he will still score more than the players you guys have said is better than him in overall play. So he is a top 3 player in my book.


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Post by Mr Nick09 Mon Jun 18, 2012 1:32 am

kiranr wrote:He is a goal scorer and he scores a lot of goals. He is definitely a top 2 goal scorer.

If you remove his supply, he won't be able to score as much. But the thing is, he will still score more than the players you guys have said is better than him in overall play. So he is a top 3 player in my book.



I will hazard the guess that if you remove anyone' supply, they wont score as much...
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Post by kiranr Mon Jun 18, 2012 1:35 am

Mr Nick09 wrote:
kiranr wrote:He is a goal scorer and he scores a lot of goals. He is definitely a top 2 goal scorer.

If you remove his supply, he won't be able to score as much. But the thing is, he will still score more than the players you guys have said is better than him in overall play. So he is a top 3 player in my book.



I will hazard the guess that if you remove anyone' supply, they wont score as much...

Yes, which is why i said, even without supply he will still score more goals than most other top players, but not as much as he usually scores.

That is why i said he is atleast a top 3 player for me.
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Post by Lord Hades Mon Jun 18, 2012 1:41 am

as a goal scorer he is easily top two , but for me he is also a top two player.. yes he is a great goal scorer ,but its not as if he cant do shit otherwise.. he can still beat his man easily and does so 90 percent of the times, link up play is pretty good , is a constant threat from long range and is arguably the most lethal player in a counter attacking system.. also a very unappreciated fact - consistency, thats what separates great players like the ronaldos and messis from the nanis etc ..
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Post by Sushi Master Mon Jun 18, 2012 1:58 am

I'd say it's due to his holier than thou attitude and his superiority complex. Also, he has extremely unmanly characteristics that many find hilarious.

Not that he's a bad player, but when he obviously thinks he is, when he's not, he's bound to get lots of crap going his way.

Bad frakking luck playing at the same time as Messi, really...
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Post by Dnmac4 Mon Jun 18, 2012 2:20 am

The easiest way to answer this question is the way I answered a similar one after the Denmark game.

Ronaldo can be a team player but he has to score first. If he doesn't score, the whole game turns into a personal quest to get a goal and ignore everything else. He plays no defense this is if he scores or not but he has gotten better at passing since he moved to Madrid but worse at beating players one on one.

When he scores in the first half he turns into one of the best players ever but if he doesn't he is selfish and only looks for opportunities to get his goal and nothing else.

Even early in the first half against Holland today the announcer made a comment at how Holland were exploiting his side because he refused to run back or play any sort of defense what so ever.

In the Denmark game he made great runs but missed some easy chances. His teammates bailed him out and when Valero scored in the 85th minute to basically win the game and advance them to the next round Ronaldo looked like someone shot his dog and didn't celebrate with him when he was standing next to him when he scored. HE then pathetically spent the rest of the game cherry picking for a goal.

This IMO is why he bothers me at times, that was probably the biggest moment in Valero's career and he probably will never surpass it plus it was for his country which BTW Ronaldo's captain of now. The armband means nothing to him unless of course he's having a good game with a captain it should be the other way. around.

I know that the great players especially goal scorers are all selfish but there is something different about the brand of selfishness he displays.

And Like I said in another post after the Denmark game I hope we can put this Portugal are a crap team and that's why Ronaldo doesn't perform. They dragged him through that first round yet some Ronaldo fans will make you think the 2 goals he had against the team that failed to pick up 1 point in the group got them through.

He should know this but instead he will celebrate himself and not the teammates that put everything on the line for him and there country and that is the reason he rubs people the wrong way. I have never seen this sort of selfishness in another player.
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Post by jibers Mon Jun 18, 2012 2:34 am

Lord Hades wrote: as a goal scorer he is easily top two , but for me he is also a top two player.. yes he is a great goal scorer ,but its not as if he cant do shit otherwise.. he can still beat his man easily and does so 90 percent of the times, link up play is pretty good , is a constant threat from long range and is arguably the most lethal player in a counter attacking system.. also a very unappreciated fact - consistency, thats what separates great players like the ronaldos and messis from the nanis etc ..

What a load of biased shite. Ronaldo couldn't beat a baby ffs.
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Post by Beautiful Football Mon Jun 18, 2012 2:36 am

dnmac4 wrote:The easiest way to answer this question is the way I answered a similar one after the Denmark game.

Ronaldo can be a team player but he has to score first. If he doesn't score, the whole game turns into a personal quest to get a goal and ignore everything else. He plays no defense this is if he scores or not but he has gotten better at passing since he moved to Madrid but worse at beating players one on one.

When he scores in the first half he turns into one of the best players ever but if he doesn't he is selfish and only looks for opportunities to get his goal and nothing else.

Even early in the first half against Holland today the announcer made a comment at how Holland were exploiting his side because he refused to run back or play any sort of defense what so ever.

In the Denmark game he made great runs but missed some easy chances. His teammates bailed him out and when Valero scored in the 85th minute to basically win the game and advance them to the next round Ronaldo looked like someone shot his dog and didn't celebrate with him when he was standing next to him when he scored. HE then pathetically spent the rest of the game cherry picking for a goal.

This IMO is why he bothers me at times, that was probably the biggest moment in Valero's career and he probably will never surpass it plus it was for his country which BTW Ronaldo's captain of now. The armband means nothing to him unless of course he's having a good game with a captain it should be the other way. around.

I know that the great players especially goal scorers are all selfish but there is something different about the brand of selfishness he displays.

And Like I said in another post after the Denmark game I hope we can put this Portugal are a crap team and that's why Ronaldo doesn't perform. They dragged him through that first round yet some Ronaldo fans will make you think the 2 goals he had against the team that failed to pick up 1 point in the group got them through.

He should know this but instead he will celebrate himself and not the teammates that put everything on the line for him and there country and that is the reason he rubs people the wrong way. I have never seen this sort of selfishness in another player.

Perfect answer. Thumbs up

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Post by Beautiful Football Mon Jun 18, 2012 2:40 am

jibers wrote:
Lord Hades wrote: as a goal scorer he is easily top two , but for me he is also a top two player.. yes he is a great goal scorer ,but its not as if he cant do shit otherwise.. he can still beat his man easily and does so 90 percent of the times, link up play is pretty good , is a constant threat from long range and is arguably the most lethal player in a counter attacking system.. also a very unappreciated fact - consistency, thats what separates great players like the ronaldos and messis from the nanis etc ..

What a load of biased shite. Ronaldo couldn't beat a baby ffs.
seriously Lord Hades guy is hilarious when it comes to C.Ronaldo.Like
Bilionmilion for Messi.

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Post by Lord Hades Mon Jun 18, 2012 2:57 am

Beautiful Football wrote:
jibers wrote:
Lord Hades wrote: as a goal scorer he is easily top two , but for me he is also a top two player.. yes he is a great goal scorer ,but its not as if he cant do shit otherwise.. he can still beat his man easily and does so 90 percent of the times, link up play is pretty good , is a constant threat from long range and is arguably the most lethal player in a counter attacking system.. also a very unappreciated fact - consistency, thats what separates great players like the ronaldos and messis from the nanis etc ..

What a load of biased shite. Ronaldo couldn't beat a baby ffs.
seriously Lord Hades guy is hilarious when it comes to C.Ronaldo.Like
Bilionmilion for Messi.

seriously? how about both of you take of your bias tinted glasses? he is no dinho or messi , but he does get past his man most of the time easily thanks to this physical gifts and quick turns .. SMH
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Post by Gomez83 Mon Jun 18, 2012 3:02 am

Lord Hades wrote:
Beautiful Football wrote:
jibers wrote:
Lord Hades wrote: as a goal scorer he is easily top two , but for me he is also a top two player.. yes he is a great goal scorer ,but its not as if he cant do shit otherwise.. he can still beat his man easily and does so 90 percent of the times, link up play is pretty good , is a constant threat from long range and is arguably the most lethal player in a counter attacking system.. also a very unappreciated fact - consistency, thats what separates great players like the ronaldos and messis from the nanis etc ..

What a load of biased shite. Ronaldo couldn't beat a baby ffs.
seriously Lord Hades guy is hilarious when it comes to C.Ronaldo.Like
Bilionmilion for Messi.

seriously? how about both of you take of your bias tinted glasses? he is no dinho or messi , but he does get past his man most of the time easily thanks to this physical gifts and quick turns .. SMH
No player has the stat of getting past his opponent 90% of the time, that's a fact.
Anyways back on topic, I view CR7 as a poacher and winger nothing more, though when you see the bigger names like Messi, Pele, Maradona etc they are far more than a target man, his job is to score and still fall behinds Messi or so so that's why he isn't rated #1 as for rating him #2 sure as scoring but everything else? hard to compare a CM with a finisher right?
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Post by jibers Mon Jun 18, 2012 3:04 am

Lord Hades wrote:
Beautiful Football wrote:
jibers wrote:
Lord Hades wrote: as a goal scorer he is easily top two , but for me he is also a top two player.. yes he is a great goal scorer ,but its not as if he cant do shit otherwise.. he can still beat his man easily and does so 90 percent of the times, link up play is pretty good , is a constant threat from long range and is arguably the most lethal player in a counter attacking system.. also a very unappreciated fact - consistency, thats what separates great players like the ronaldos and messis from the nanis etc ..

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seriously Lord Hades guy is hilarious when it comes to C.Ronaldo.Like
Bilionmilion for Messi.

seriously? how about both of you take of your bias tinted glasses? he is no dinho or messi , but he does get past his man most of the time easily thanks to this physical gifts and quick turns .. SMH
What physical gifts? LOL. The same Ronaldo that Balelsteros outpaced? Ronaldo can't dribble, he can sknock the ball past players, but so can Bale and Walcott. he is not a great dribller. Get over it. I am not biased. His dribbling a has gone downhill ver since 2007/08 season were he had to have ankle surgery. Next thing you'll tell me he's a free kick specialist. Laughing

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