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Post by Swanhends Thu Jun 20, 2013 1:02 pm

I actually really really like yeezus, I did not see that coming at all

I generally think Kanye is an enormous douche and im not nearly as in to music as most people in this thread, Im usually more of a play-the-hits kind of guy, so I was really surprised with how much I like this album given what I heard about it going in

It had a dark side of the moon vibe for me, sounded much more like one long story than a collection of songs. Cudi tried to do that with man on the moon but that felt a bit forced, especially with the common narrated parts


Im on my 3rd listen now and im still not sure when one song ends and the next begins in most of this album, and thats fuggin cool
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Post by stevieg8 Thu Jun 20, 2013 5:51 pm

Swanhends wrote:I actually really really like yeezus, I did not see that coming at all

I generally think Kanye is an enormous douche and im not nearly as in to music as most people in this thread, Im usually more of a play-the-hits kind of guy, so I was really surprised with how much I like this album given what I heard about it going in

It had a dark side of the moon vibe for me, sounded much more like one long story than a collection of songs. Cudi tried to do that with man on the moon but that felt a bit forced, especially with the common narrated parts

 
Im on my 3rd listen now and im still not sure when one song ends and the next begins in most of this album, and thats fuggin cool

I'll have to try it again, I've been listening to it on shuffle. I'm also a pretty pop-oriented type music listener, but I've really liked most of the stuff Kanye put out in the past, down to the less popular songs, and this album really underwhelmed me. I actually, interestingly enough, only liked the same 5 songs Dmize mentioned earlier. I think Black Skinhead and Bound 2 are catchy, and a few others are tolerable, but the rest of the album really grated on my ears. Maybe if I try it again as a concept album I'll like it more.

Off topic, one of the best concept albums (imo) I've heard lately was Good Kid, MAAD City from Kendrick last year. Tells a great story if you listen through it, and each song is a good listen standalone anyway.
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Post by EarlyPrototype Fri Jun 21, 2013 1:29 pm

Mac's album >>>> Yeezus and Born Sinner
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Post by EarlyPrototype Fri Jun 21, 2013 1:30 pm

So catchy

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Post by guest7 Fri Jun 21, 2013 1:37 pm

EarlyPrototype wrote:Mac's album >>>> Yeezus and Born Sinner

lmao not even close

Not only did Kanye deliver a masterpiece, but he also taught us what it meant to be an original artist. I think that term is being thrown away too often at artists that dont deserve it, such as OF (in particular, Tyler). Kanye's album is original, I don't think any other rap-artists has done what he did with this album, using synths with heavy bass and the dark theme. Lyrically its not on par with his older works but the production is just genius and makes up for it

Born Sinner is just a joke to be honest. "can't believe I let Nas down" and then he speaks about new rappers needing to challange the big rappers. he's a joke, if I was Jay-Z I'd have fired that fool of my label. Mac is a ok rapper and won't be anything more, I can see him get mainstream success tho
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Post by EarlyPrototype Fri Jun 21, 2013 1:53 pm

What? As a huge Kanye fan, I was really disappointed. from front to back this album is sub par.

Production was good? Laughing its trash. If anything was good about the album it was the lyrics and even then nothing spectacular. "Blood on the Leaves" is the best track on the album.
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Post by guest7 Fri Jun 21, 2013 5:06 pm

Ask any knowledgable rap listener or rap reviewer on their thoughts about the albums production and see if a single one will call the production trash

Stop kidding yourself mate, kante is the rap gawd when it comes to productions. Cole and mac lost

KEEP IT THREEHUNNA LIKE THE ROMANS
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Post by EarlyPrototype Fri Jun 21, 2013 5:55 pm

Tbh mate I cant really take your post seriously since you called Born Sinner a joke.

As for Mac he will never get the recognition his talent deserves because a lot of people dont take him seriously and has quite a few haters. That song with Ariana didn't help anyway.

I have heard every Kanye Song and I have read plenty of reviews anyway. The general consensus is tht album is not good enough. Apart from a few tracks the album is meh.
Beats to the song are crap and lyrically he didnt live up to his own standards.

I will definitely enjoy WMWTSO a lot more than Yeezus.
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Post by stevieg8 Fri Jun 21, 2013 6:16 pm

Se7en wrote:Ask any knowledgable rap listener or rap reviewer on their thoughts about the albums production and see if a single one will call the production trash

Stop kidding yourself mate, kante is the rap gawd when it comes to productions. Cole and mac lost

KEEP IT THREEHUNNA LIKE THE ROMANS

Most of the critics I've read so far disagree with you on this one, as do I. I'm a huge Kanye fan and was really disappointed by the album as a whole. He's clearly trying to push boundaries on the production like he did on MBDTF, but it really didn't quite work this time. That's the problem with originality; when you try and do something unique, there's a possibility it will fail. You may like it - and you're completely entitled to that opinion - but despite the sales numbers, this album was not critically well received, and calling someone else ignorant when you don't have the support you think you do is not the best move.
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Post by dmize Fri Jun 21, 2013 9:35 pm

EarlyPrototype wrote:Mac's album >>>> Yeezus and Born Sinner

I think I probably agree with this. I really liked the production on that and he more than held his own lyrically. Never would have listened to it but I heard nothing but good reviews.

I've only listened to Yeezus a few times, it gets better with more listens, but I still can't get into it fully. The production wasn't trash, but it was hit or miss for me. Bound 2 is incredible for example, but On Sight isn't my style really. Hate that track.

Born Sinner I expected more from, but it's got a few really good tracks. Villuminati one of the best tracks I've heard from him in a while.
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Post by MJ Sat Jun 22, 2013 10:05 am

Yeezus is interesting, reminds me of 808 in a way but a more refined version. Agree that the production is love or hate but I don't agree with the mindless praise of it, for me I'd say My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy was his masterpiece and it would take something truly incredible to touch that level again.

Still yet to listen to Born Sinner.

Acid Rap has a really chill spooky sound, loved Favorite Song because I'm a hug 'Bino fan.

The Transition 2 drops this week!
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Post by guest7 Sat Jun 22, 2013 11:54 am

From wiki:
Wikipedia wrote:Yeezus received rave reviews from music critics.[46] At Metacritic, which assigns a normalized rating out of 100 to reviews from mainstream critics, the album received an average score of 86, which indicates "universal acclaim", based on 38 reviews.[38] Jim Farber of the New York Daily News, in an early review of the leaked edition of Yeezus, called the record "a chutzpah classic," elaborating that "the entire disc rethinks industrial rock of the early '90s for both a new era and genre."[19] Steve Jones of USA Today called the album "immediately stunning [...] he created a polarizing, multi-layered body of work that probably will be debated all summer."[45] Jon Dolan of Rolling Stone called Yeezus a "brilliant, obsessive-compulsive career auto-correct," comparing it to similarly abrasive records: "Every mad genius has to make a record like this at least once in his career – at its nastiest, his makes Kid A or In Utero or Trans all look like Bruno Mars."[43]Pitchfork Media writer Ryan Dombal viewed it a "razor-sharpened take" on West's fourth album, 808s & Heartbreak, concluding that "Cohesion and bold intent are at a premium on Yeezus, perhaps more than any other Kanye album. Each fluorescent strike of noise, incongruous tempo flip, and warped vocal is bolted into its right place across the album's fast 40 minutes."[42]

The Guardian's Alexis Petridis was positive in his assessment of the record: "Noisy, gripping, maddening, potent [...] Yeezus is the sound of a man just doing his job properly."[41]Chicago Tribune writer Greg Kot wrote that "West sounds more complicated than ever, an artist willing to throw himself off the ledge not just to get a reaction, but to open up a conversation about, well, just about everything that matters to him."[2] Randall Roberts of the Los Angeles Times called Yeezus the rapper's "most musically adventurous album [...] It’s also West’s most narcissistic, defiant, abrasive and unforgiving."[3] Jon Pareles of The New York Times commented on the album's mix of genres: "Deploying anything from a Hungarian progressive-rock band to the rasp of dancehall, the album is one long, efficient, inventive kick in the head."[35] Ray Rahman of Entertainment Weekly considered the record a plunge "directly into the darker crevices of his psyche," commending the "dense breathless sound sets the tone for an album that reaches far outside of traditional sample-based hip-hop."[40] Evan Rytlewski, writer for The A.V. Club, wrote that "Even by the standards of an artist who reinvents himself with each release, it’s a drastic departure," calling it West's "loudest and most impulsive album."[47]

David Jeffries of Allmusic called Yeezus an "extravagant stunt with the high-art packed in, offering an eccentric, audacious, and gripping experience that's vital and truly unlike anything else."[39] Dan Buyanovsky of XXL awared the album an "XL" rating, believing the album featured some of West's "most provocative writing to date, and it sees him perfecting his formula of dissecting power and otherness with a masterpiece mix of awareness, ignorant wit and *bleep*-off confidence."[48]The Independent's Hardeep Phull felt Yeezus less grandiose than previous efforts, elaborating that "Kanye West has emphatically rejected the idea of making another slick hip-hop record precisely because it’s what has become expected of him. It’s not quite godlike, but Yeezus certainly feels like it was created by a higher power."[49]Paste's Ryan Reed called Yeezus the "least likable album Kanye’s ever made," citing several lines on "Bound 2" as a "beautiful blast of humanity on an album—a perplexing, fascinating, absorbing album—that often feels outside normal human grasp."[50]The Washington Post's Chris Richards called West's lyricism on the album "refined and probably his least compelling. But they don’t feel lazy so much as drunk on bitterness."[36] In a more mixed review, Ted Scheinman of Slant Magazine praised the production as "head-spinning," but criticized West's lyrics, commenting that he is "seeking social-commentary cred that he hasn't earned."[51]

I think its safe to say that i wasnt wrong earlier and critics loved the albums production
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Post by izzy Sat Jun 22, 2013 11:58 am

Se7en wrote:From wiki:
Wikipedia wrote:Yeezus received rave reviews from music critics.[46] At Metacritic, which assigns a normalized rating out of 100 to reviews from mainstream critics, the album received an average score of 86, which indicates "universal acclaim", based on 38 reviews.[38] Jim Farber of the New York Daily News, in an early review of the leaked edition of Yeezus, called the record "a chutzpah classic," elaborating that "the entire disc rethinks industrial rock of the early '90s for both a new era and genre."[19] Steve Jones of USA Today called the album "immediately stunning [...] he created a polarizing, multi-layered body of work that probably will be debated all summer."[45] Jon Dolan of Rolling Stone called Yeezus a "brilliant, obsessive-compulsive career auto-correct," comparing it to similarly abrasive records: "Every mad genius has to make a record like this at least once in his career – at its nastiest, his makes Kid A or In Utero or Trans all look like Bruno Mars."[43]Pitchfork Media writer Ryan Dombal viewed it a "razor-sharpened take" on West's fourth album, 808s & Heartbreak, concluding that "Cohesion and bold intent are at a premium on Yeezus, perhaps more than any other Kanye album. Each fluorescent strike of noise, incongruous tempo flip, and warped vocal is bolted into its right place across the album's fast 40 minutes."[42]

The Guardian's Alexis Petridis was positive in his assessment of the record: "Noisy, gripping, maddening, potent [...] Yeezus is the sound of a man just doing his job properly."[41]Chicago Tribune writer Greg Kot wrote that "West sounds more complicated than ever, an artist willing to throw himself off the ledge not just to get a reaction, but to open up a conversation about, well, just about everything that matters to him."[2] Randall Roberts of the Los Angeles Times called Yeezus the rapper's "most musically adventurous album [...] It’s also West’s most narcissistic, defiant, abrasive and unforgiving."[3] Jon Pareles of The New York Times commented on the album's mix of genres: "Deploying anything from a Hungarian progressive-rock band to the rasp of dancehall, the album is one long, efficient, inventive kick in the head."[35] Ray Rahman of Entertainment Weekly considered the record a plunge "directly into the darker crevices of his psyche," commending the "dense breathless sound sets the tone for an album that reaches far outside of traditional sample-based hip-hop."[40] Evan Rytlewski, writer for The A.V. Club, wrote that "Even by the standards of an artist who reinvents himself with each release, it’s a drastic departure," calling it West's "loudest and most impulsive album."[47]

David Jeffries of Allmusic called Yeezus an "extravagant stunt with the high-art packed in, offering an eccentric, audacious, and gripping experience that's vital and truly unlike anything else."[39] Dan Buyanovsky of XXL awared the album an "XL" rating, believing the album featured some of West's "most provocative writing to date, and it sees him perfecting his formula of dissecting power and otherness with a masterpiece mix of awareness, ignorant wit and *bleep*-off confidence."[48]The Independent's Hardeep Phull felt Yeezus less grandiose than previous efforts, elaborating that "Kanye West has emphatically rejected the idea of making another slick hip-hop record precisely because it’s what has become expected of him. It’s not quite godlike, but Yeezus certainly feels like it was created by a higher power."[49]Paste's Ryan Reed called Yeezus the "least likable album Kanye’s ever made," citing several lines on "Bound 2" as a "beautiful blast of humanity on an album—a perplexing, fascinating, absorbing album—that often feels outside normal human grasp."[50]The Washington Post's Chris Richards called West's lyricism on the album "refined and probably his least compelling. But they don’t feel lazy so much as drunk on bitterness."[36] In a more mixed review, Ted Scheinman of Slant Magazine praised the production as "head-spinning," but criticized West's lyrics, commenting that he is "seeking social-commentary cred that he hasn't earned."[51]

I think its safe to say that i wasnt wrong earlier and critics loved the albums production

Interesting, though not surprising.

I've given it a couple run through's and I would say it is a level above trash. Extremely poor best fits it.
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Post by Gil Sat Jun 22, 2013 3:16 pm

You guys heard the new Drake songs?

Have a feeling the next album is going to be trash.
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Post by EarlyPrototype Sat Jun 22, 2013 6:19 pm

Gil wrote:You guys heard the new Drake songs?

Have a feeling the next album is going to be trash.

lol have you even heard them?

This one he kills it. Featuring J. Cole

http://rapgenius.com/Drake-jodeci-freestyle-lyrics


personally I like this too.

http://rapgenius.com/Drake-the-motion-lyrics

The other two tracks Drake himself is only featured. In any case I don't think these tracks are related to the album (which drops same day as GTA V Proud)
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Post by EarlyPrototype Sat Jun 22, 2013 6:33 pm

All this capitol it's like I left the caps lock on. Laughing

I comedy central roast niggas and turn 'em to ghost niggas. Laughing

Drizzzzyyyyy :bow:
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Post by stevieg8 Sat Jun 22, 2013 8:11 pm

I stand corrected, I had only read a few things about it so far and assumed they were representative. Least favorite Kanye album so far, and needless to say it's not my style, but to each his own - I guess I just disagree.

Gotta check out Born Sinner and Mac's album next, I've been slow on the uptake lately.
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Post by dmize Sat Jun 22, 2013 8:43 pm

It's cool that reviewers like Yeezus, but those reviewers don't know hip-hop lol. Pitchfork, The Guardian, NYDN, etc.

Imo, this is his laziest, and maybe worst effort. It's screams "lets see what I can get away on this". I don't mind edm/hiphop mashups if done right, but this wasn't. IDK how a song like On Sight even leaves the booth.

If this was some new rapper's debut album it would be destroyed. But it's Kanye and everything he touches is gold.

Sucks that reviewers are going to d1ckride this album, I thought maybe with harsh reviews, Kanye would maybe feel the pressure and try to make good music again.

For me when you've put out music like this:




..Yeezus isnt acceptable
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Post by EarlyPrototype Sat Jun 22, 2013 8:57 pm

dmize wrote:It's cool that reviewers like Yeezus, but those reviewers don't know hip-hop lol. Pitchfork, The Guardian, NYDN, etc.

Imo, this is his laziest, and maybe worst effort. It's screams "lets see what I can get away on this". I don't mind edm/hiphop mashups if done right, but this wasn't. IDK how a song like On Sight even leaves the booth.

If this was some new rapper's debut album it would be destroyed. But it's Kanye and everything he touches is gold.

Sucks that reviewers are going to d1ckride this album, I thought maybe with harsh reviews, Kanye would maybe feel the pressure and try to make good music again.

For me when you've put out music like this:




..Yeezus isnt acceptable

Exactly.

This is like football pundits knowing more than your average fan all over again......

Who the f*uck is Alexis Petridis lol. No one would even review this crap if it wasn't Kanye.

Trash might be too strong a word, but compare it to M.B.D.T.F it is....
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Post by dmize Sat Jun 22, 2013 9:18 pm

I was never big into MBDTF(maybe I should give it another listen), but compared to this it's on another level.
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Post by Swanhends Sat Jun 22, 2013 11:02 pm

Se7en wrote:KEEP IT THREEHUNNA LIKE THE ROMANS

You liked that line? Laughing

That almost ruined the song for me....How the feck did no one involved in production of the album stand up and say "Uhhh yeah Kanye thats just factually inaccurate" rofl - If someone DID say that and he left it in anyway thats even worse. Great song other than that though

The weakness of the album for me is "Im in it" without a doubt

Im not a fan of "I am a God" either but I think its okay in context of the album

Rest of the album is fire imo
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Post by stevieg8 Sat Jun 22, 2013 11:28 pm

Haha yeah Black Skinhead is probably my favorite song of the album, but that line just kills me... I don't understand how he thought that was a good idea.
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Post by guest7 Sun Jun 23, 2013 12:06 am

Come on Dmize, when you resort to calling basicly almost every reviewer clueless, you're just lying to yourself. I use pitchfork reviews alot and I believe they're best in the business when it comes to underground rap. I haven't read any reviews when it comes to Yeezus simply becouse I don't need to, I stan Kanye's shit and I know I'll enjoy it.

But was 808's regarded as a masterpiece when released? Hell no, you can't just say Kanye is being dickrided by reviewers. That's bullshit. And it would be stupid to compare Yeezus to MBDTF becouse honestly, that album is the best album of the last 10 years. You can't expect Kanye to release albums of that quality everytime, that's just unrealistic.

It's kinda obvious you just aren't feeling the "darker" Kanye, if you didn't appreciate MBDTF, but pls dont go and call reviewers dickriders becouse it's just laughable lol

Swanhends wrote:
Se7en wrote:KEEP IT THREEHUNNA LIKE THE ROMANS

You liked that line? Laughing

That almost ruined the song for me....How the feck did no one involved in production of the album stand up and say "Uhhh yeah Kanye thats just factually inaccurate" rofl- If someone DID say that and he left it in anyway thats even worse. Great song other than that though

The weakness of the album for me is "Im in it" without a doubt

Im not a fan of "I am a God" either but I think its okay in context of the album

Rest of the album is fire imo

I love that line, it's a reference to Chief Keef's trehunna, besides it's catchy

Favourite line has to be from Bound 2 tho:

She asked me what I wished for on my wishlist
Have you ever asked your bitch for other bitches?

Kills me everytime Laughing
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Post by izzy Sun Jun 23, 2013 12:12 am

Se7en wrote:Come on Dmize, when you resort to calling basicly almost every reviewer clueless, you're just lying to yourself. I use pitchfork reviews alot and I believe they're best in the business when it comes to underground rap. I haven't read any reviews when it comes to Yeezus simply becouse I don't need to, I stan Kanye's shit and I know I'll enjoy it.

But was 808's regarded as a masterpiece when released? Hell no, you can't just say Kanye is being dickrided by reviewers. That's bullshit. And it would be stupid to compare Yeezus to MBDTF becouse honestly, that album is the best album of the last 10 years. You can't expect Kanye to release albums of that quality everytime, that's just unrealistic.

It's kinda obvious you just aren't feeling the "darker" Kanye, if you didn't appreciate MBDTF, but pls dont go and call reviewers dickriders becouse it's just laughable lol

What? The last decade? From 2000-2010? MBDTF?

Oh God no.
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