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Post by Nishankly Wed Dec 28, 2011 1:42 pm

Banned for the Newcastle game,. Very Happy

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Post by Fahim89 Wed Dec 28, 2011 3:19 pm

Nishank wrote:Banned for the Newcastle game,. Very Happy

and that is for his reaction at Fulham . . . that would make a probable 9 match ban Sad
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Post by poolsupporter Thu Dec 29, 2011 12:26 am

Absolutely ridiculous. Others who have done the same thing have walked away scot free. I agree that being a professional, he should have known better, but if you are going to punish one, punish all.
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Post by Guest Thu Dec 29, 2011 12:45 am

You guys clearly know a lot more than me, on this subject, so I'd like to ask something.

Did the conversation take place in Spanish? If so, I don't see what's wrong with using a word that pretty much means "mate." If he literally said "Why, negrito?" in English (which I doubt), then yes, it would be pretty stupid, regardless of intent. But if it was a Spanish conversation, then I am pretty sure he meant "Why, mate?"

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Post by Guest Thu Dec 29, 2011 2:00 am

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It's said that evra said: "Don't touch me south american" and Suarez replied: "Porque negrito". Suarez english is pretty shit so not surprised he replied in Spanish.


I also read today that FA have warned us appeal will be useless and they;ll make it a 10 game ban if we appeal. So I think we will take it to CAS court

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Post by poolsupporter Thu Dec 29, 2011 3:00 am

Sepi wrote:^
It's said that evra said: "Don't touch me south american" and Suarez replied: "Porque negrito". Suarez english is pretty shit so not surprised he replied in Spanish.


I also read today that FA have warned us appeal will be useless and they;ll make it a 10 game ban if we appeal. So I think we will take it to CAS court

The FA have simply said that an appeal could result in a lengthier ban. Seems like nothing more than a sad tactic at trying to stop us from appealing. Can't see us backing down from it and we shouldn't.

As far as the finger situation, while I'm frustrated at the lack of consistency in similar cases, I think it would be beneficial for Suarez to just serve his ban and get it over with.
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Post by iftikhar Thu Dec 29, 2011 2:11 pm

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Post by Le Samourai Thu Dec 29, 2011 3:18 pm

Either way.....if they impose a lengthier ban.....in the end we'll just take them to international court or well court and go to work.

They have no case.....they've shown no consistency.......in bot te finger and race cases.......they're digging a hole for themselves more than anyone else

I hope it was worth it to prevent us from qualifying for the CL.
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Post by RedOranje Sat Dec 31, 2011 12:48 am

Maje10 wrote:You guys clearly know a lot more than me, on this subject, so I'd like to ask something.

Did the conversation take place in Spanish? If so, I don't see what's wrong with using a word that pretty much means "mate." If he literally said "Why, negrito?" in English (which I doubt), then yes, it would be pretty stupid, regardless of intent. But if it was a Spanish conversation, then I am pretty sure he meant "Why, mate?"
Several reports suggest the entire conversation, Evra's portion included, occurred in Spanish. We won't know the facts until the report comes out though (and perhaps not even then).
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Post by Fahim89 Sat Dec 31, 2011 6:26 am

btw i saw up on Twitter (@BrianDurand56) that FA are investigating in Gerrard's Nazi Salute don't know whether or not that's a prank Razz

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Post by Fahim89 Sat Dec 31, 2011 5:24 pm

A 115 pages reading on FA's written reason for Regulatory Action against Suarez. . . .

http://www.thefa.com/TheFA/Disciplinary/NewsAndFeatures/2011/~/media/Files/PDF/TheFA/Disciplinary/Written%20reasons/FA%20v%20Suarez%20Written%20Reasons%20of%20Regulatory%20Commission.ashx

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Post by poolsupporter Sat Dec 31, 2011 5:54 pm

Lol, I'm going through most of this and I believe LFC still have a strong case. The FA makes claims about Evra saying the 'South American' thing, yet they've done nothing about it. Furthermore, with testimony from others like Kuyt, it seems the situation played out like this:

- Suarez touches Evra on the head
- Evra says something along the lines of "Don't touch me you South American"
- Suarez replies with something along the lines of "Because you're black, I can't touch you?"

As it stands, I hope we push for an appeal now. Still reading, but it doesn't seem like racism to me.

EDIT: So one of the things the FA have highlighted is inconsistencies in Suarez statements over the course of this investigation. Primarily about when exchanges between the two players occurred. Still reading...
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Post by poolsupporter Sat Dec 31, 2011 7:24 pm

Wow, this report is laughable. They've basically said we believe everything Evra says, but find doubt in whatever Suarez says. Laughable.
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Post by Le Samourai Sat Dec 31, 2011 7:59 pm

So he admits to saying "Porque Negro"

ie Why mate......................

they spin it an say he's saying

"Why blacK' and that that dosen't make sense, so he's lying.
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Post by BeautifulGame Sun Jan 01, 2012 4:13 am

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Post by BeautifulGame Sun Jan 01, 2012 4:32 am

I know this has nothing to do with the case but still its pretty epic lulz

329. The first of these was the coin toss. Mr Evra was seen to dispute the outcome of the coin toss with the referee. Mr Marriner explained that he used a FIFA coin which is blue on one side and yellow on the other. He asked Mr Evra, as the visiting captain, to call the colour.

Mr Marriner tossed the coin, it came down yellow, and he awarded it to Steven Gerrard who elected to stay in their current ends. Manchester United had kick off. Mr Evra remonstrated that he had called correctly but, Mr Marriner said, he had not. Mr Evra then spoke to Ryan Giggs about it, and Mr Marriner walked over to Mr Evra to assure him that he (Mr Marriner) had got it right. Mr Evra's evidence was that when such a coin was used, he always called yellow given that the alternative, blue, is a Manchester City colour, which he would never call. The toss came down yellow and so Mr Evra knew that he hadwon it. He particularly wanted to change ends at the start, he explained to the referee that he had called yellow, and why he had done so. Mr Evra was angry but the referee did not change his mind.
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Post by Guest Sun Jan 01, 2012 6:47 am

BeautifulGame wrote:I know this has nothing to do with the case but still its pretty epic lulz

329. The first of these was the coin toss. Mr Evra was seen to dispute the outcome of the coin toss with the referee. Mr Marriner explained that he used a FIFA coin which is blue on one side and yellow on the other. He asked Mr Evra, as the visiting captain, to call the colour.

Mr Marriner tossed the coin, it came down yellow, and he awarded it to Steven Gerrard who elected to stay in their current ends. Manchester United had kick off. Mr Evra remonstrated that he had called correctly but, Mr Marriner said, he had not. Mr Evra then spoke to Ryan Giggs about it, and Mr Marriner walked over to Mr Evra to assure him that he (Mr Marriner) had got it right. Mr Evra's evidence was that when such a coin was used, he always called yellow given that the alternative, blue, is a Manchester City colour, which he would never call. The toss came down yellow and so Mr Evra knew that he hadwon it. He particularly wanted to change ends at the start, he explained to the referee that he had called yellow, and why he had done so. Mr Evra was angry but the referee did not change his mind.
Oh, my God. Is this real?

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Post by RedOranje Sun Jan 01, 2012 5:31 pm

Just finished reading the report and these are my initial thoughts:

Suarez and the club have been done up. The evidence, if it can be called that, is laughable and their decisions in what was considered and what was thrown out are arbitrary and against previous precedents. They made their decision and then picked what evidence supported it.

However, in terms of an appeal and possible future attempts to fight against the charge, I think the club are screwed. Comolli deserves some blame here, but the FA have done a great job of leaving areas ambiguous enough to kill any chances of a proper court case and they've made it clear that an appeal will do nothing to help.

The club and player have been properly strung up here, in both definitions of the word "properly".



Let's just hope that the club's staunch support of Suarez will keep him from looking at brighter shores...
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Post by BeautifulGame Sun Jan 01, 2012 6:28 pm

@Redorange

What u make of Kuyt's statement?

5. Subsequently, Kuyt's statement also supported Comolli's when he mentioend that * Mr Suarez speaks Dutch very well and so they always speak to each other in Dutch and that Mr Suarez said to him that he had touched Mr Evra on the head and he (Mr Evra) said something along the lines of "get away from me South American", to which Mr Suarez replied "because you're black can't...why can't I touch you then"*

I only read that vaguely but it seems to me more than Evra's evidence this statement from Kuyt worked against Suarez more.
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Post by RedOranje Sun Jan 01, 2012 6:30 pm

Translating from Spanish to Dutch to English... plenty of room for translation issues there.

Neither testimony helped though.
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Post by Fahim89 Sun Jan 01, 2012 6:49 pm

A wonderful blog . . @BrianDurand

Once again, as with the initial announcement of the charge and the subsequent verdict, the Football Association displayed impeccable timing with the release of their report of the full findings of the Evra v Suarez Independent Inquiry.

Liverpool FC had been provided with a copy late on Friday. Wonderful, especially when you consider that the club were in the process of their final preparations ahead of an important Premier League game.

Add to this, the fact that it was sent at the end of the last working day before a Bank Holiday weekend, and the issuing of the report signalled the commencement of fourteen days time limit in which to digest the report and consider an appeal.

The publication to the media and the public was at tea-time on New Year’s Eve. Very convenient.

To a great extent a wonderful summary . .

http://thekop.liverpoolfc.tv/_Suarez-What-now/blog/5685541/173471.html
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Post by Fahim89 Sun Jan 01, 2012 6:58 pm

Above all . . . . i cannot understand how an internationally recognized board state that any further action taken against this decision or any appeal may lead to 'permanent suspension' . . . . Evil or Very Mad
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Post by Red Alert Tue Jan 03, 2012 1:54 am

We shouldn't appeal. Waste of time. FA aren't going to listen to anything.

Just go straight to a court and clear Suarez' name. If he still misses 8 games, so be it. Just clear his name!
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Post by Le Samourai Tue Jan 03, 2012 2:11 am

ynwa wrote:We shouldn't appeal. Waste of time. FA aren't going to listen to anything.

Just go straight to a court and clear Suarez' name. If he still misses 8 games, so be it. Just clear his name!

And get money to fund transfers and stadium repairs 🎅
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Post by Art Morte Tue Jan 03, 2012 7:15 am

I think we should accept the ban and move on.

Let's face it, Suarez isn't one of the nicest players on the football pitch - not saying that's bad, players don't have to be nice, you need to have some balls - and I for one don't believe he is completely innocent here. No, I don't think he is a racist, he was simply trying to get Evra worked up. But at this point it seems pretty much impossible to achieve a decisive victory in this matter, i.e. no ban for Suarez and make everyone convinced he said nothing out of order, so I believe the best option is to just accept the ban and move on.
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Post by poolsupporter Tue Jan 03, 2012 11:44 am

Art Morte wrote:I think we should accept the ban and move on.

Let's face it, Suarez isn't one of the nicest players on the football pitch - not saying that's bad, players don't have to be nice, you need to have some balls - and I for one don't believe he is completely innocent here. No, I don't think he is a racist, he was simply trying to get Evra worked up. But at this point it seems pretty much impossible to achieve a decisive victory in this matter, i.e. no ban for Suarez and make everyone convinced he said nothing out of order, so I believe the best option is to just accept the ban and move on.

I want us to fight this purely on principle. So Suarez used some offensive language. The report clearly states Evra started the insults and he has admitted to it, yet the FA have not done a thing about it. How any LFC fan can accept a fine, let alone a ban for this is beyond me. I say we take this to the highest level if need be.

This isn't about proving a point that we stronger than the FA. It's about completely clearing Suarez off all these racist charges. The report has come out, inconsistencies highlighted, yet the media and a lot of others believe Suarez is a racist simply on Evra's word. So, no; I don't think we should take this lying down.
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