Torres is not deserving of NT football anymore

What does deserve mean Nick?

What use is deserve to be there when he isnt of any real use?

Alot of people deserve to be there, but getting use out the players is more important.

I'd call up Ruben Castro over Navas or Prieto.

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The Franchise wrote:What does deserve mean Nick?

What use is deserve to be there when he isnt of any real use?

Alot of people deserve to be there, but getting use out the players is more important.

It means that he has earned his seat in the team, the same way Soldado did.

We are talking about Back up positions here, he doesnt need to have a different skillset than the rest. He is there in case there is an injury or a suspension, or the manager wants to rotate.

That team looks awesome but we know who the real starters are. and in case a back up would be required, he is perfectly able to produce at that level.

Move the thread to the international forum

Mr Nick09 wrote:

The Franchise wrote:What does deserve mean Nick?

What use is deserve to be there when he isnt of any real use?

Alot of people deserve to be there, but getting use out the players is more important.

It means that he has earned his seat in the team, the same way Soldado did.

We are talking about Back up positions here, he doesnt need to have a different skillset than the rest. He is there in case there is an injury or a suspension, or the manager wants to rotate.

That team looks awesome but we know who the real starters are. and in case a back up would be required, he is perfectly able to produce at that level.

I'm not sure you can justify including Torres in the National squad at this moment. His build up play is solid, but he hasn't scored in 127 Days, 13 Hours, 28 Minutes & 25 Seconds (thanks to Sincetorreslastscored.com). As a striker at the international level, this is unacceptable (some Chelsea fans would argue it's unacceptable at the club level too).

At this point, I don't think you can fall back on his previous production as justification anymore, either. He has not scored in so long that it's not guaranteed that he will ever recoup that form. I do think he will score again, but just not at the level he did for Liverpool early in his time there.

On a separate note, who will start at striker given the team selection. I'm betting on Llorente or Soldado, but Negredo has a shot too.

Over all I like the call up. Especially glad players who arent performing didnt call the call just cause they are big names (Torres I am looking at you). Jori Alba is the only one I am wtf about and where is Luis Enrique

soldado scores consistently over 4 months --> doesn't get called up
soldado doesn't score for a month --> gets called up




*del bosque*

The Franchise wrote:

Gladiator wrote:Some have completely missed the point. I, for one, know that Thiago is the future of the Spanish national side, the level of skill and consistency he has shown at his age since bursting onto the scene last season, has been remarkable. However, I, not anyone else who wants Valero to be called up, has said that they want him in the Spain first team side. We merely want him to be in the squad, which does not mean that he should be included in the main line up. Say, for instance, that Xavi and Iniesta are out, then you need someone like Valero to come in and add more passing power. In fact, apart from Thiago and Valero, there is essentially no one to replace them, take Alonso and Busquets out of the equation. Forgot about Fabregas, too.

Thats pointless though, because Xavi and Iniesta are not out.

If they were not in the squad, then fair enough, but they are so what use if Borja? And looking ahead to the WC, nothing will change so what is the point?

Does it not make more sense to bring Thiago along who will actually gain something out of not playing?

There is still a possibility that Xavi might be out, he has been suffering from an ankle injury this year, but yeah it is pretty pointless, you're right.

However, to counter your argument, what's the use of taking Thiago to the World Cup then? It's pretty much the same scenario, but you're arguing that he'll get more experience, which is fair enough. But, what about Walcott? England made the wrong decision in taking him to the 2006 World Cup, he has never lived up to the hype. By the way, your point is a valid one and I agree with it, but I'm just trying to show you what may happen.

Alba > Enrique

Alba's defending is underrated. It possibly isn't better than Enrique's but his attack >>>>>>>>>

Sorry, but that's a lie. Enrique has been outstanding over the past two seasons. Like I said earlier, Alba fits the system perfectly, but only because he knows it very well, whereas Enrique has very little experience. But that's not to say he shouldn't be given a chance. Del Bosque needs to open his eyes.

donttreadonred wrote:

Mr Nick09 wrote:

The Franchise wrote:What does deserve mean Nick?

What use is deserve to be there when he isnt of any real use?

Alot of people deserve to be there, but getting use out the players is more important.

It means that he has earned his seat in the team, the same way Soldado did.

We are talking about Back up positions here, he doesnt need to have a different skillset than the rest. He is there in case there is an injury or a suspension, or the manager wants to rotate.

That team looks awesome but we know who the real starters are. and in case a back up would be required, he is perfectly able to produce at that level.

I'm not sure you can justify including Torres in the National squad at this moment. His build up play is solid, but he hasn't scored in 127 Days, 13 Hours, 28 Minutes & 25 Seconds (thanks to Sincetorreslastscored.com). As a striker at the international level, this is unacceptable (some Chelsea fans would argue it's unacceptable at the club level too).

At this point, I don't think you can fall back on his previous production as justification anymore, either. He has not scored in so long that it's not guaranteed that he will ever recoup that form. I do think he will score again, but just not at the level he did for Liverpool early in his time there.

On a separate note, who will start at striker given the team selection. I'm betting on Llorente or Soldado, but Negredo has a shot too.

i was discussing Borja Valero, not Torres, he is a complete fraud. I made this thread, lol.

che wrote:


*del bosque*

Anyway, amazing squad. I would only replace Thiago with Borja, and maybe Munain with Callito, and it would be set for the EUROs. However, I aknowledge that using the two younger players is a sensible choice for this friendly.

VDB finally thinking straight

Ander should be there instead of Thiago.;/

-BUT Torres is asking for it.

I am a bit surprised he didnt call Tello or Cuenca

Gladiator wrote:

The Franchise wrote:

Gladiator wrote:Some have completely missed the point. I, for one, know that Thiago is the future of the Spanish national side, the level of skill and consistency he has shown at his age since bursting onto the scene last season, has been remarkable. However, I, not anyone else who wants Valero to be called up, has said that they want him in the Spain first team side. We merely want him to be in the squad, which does not mean that he should be included in the main line up. Say, for instance, that Xavi and Iniesta are out, then you need someone like Valero to come in and add more passing power. In fact, apart from Thiago and Valero, there is essentially no one to replace them, take Alonso and Busquets out of the equation. Forgot about Fabregas, too.

Thats pointless though, because Xavi and Iniesta are not out.

If they were not in the squad, then fair enough, but they are so what use if Borja? And looking ahead to the WC, nothing will change so what is the point?

Does it not make more sense to bring Thiago along who will actually gain something out of not playing?

There is still a possibility that Xavi might be out, he has been suffering from an ankle injury this year, but yeah it is pretty pointless, you're right.

However, to counter your argument, what's the use of taking Thiago to the World Cup then? It's pretty much the same scenario, but you're arguing that he'll get more experience, which is fair enough. But, what about Walcott? England made the wrong decision in taking him to the 2006 World Cup, he has never lived up to the hype. By the way, your point is a valid one and I agree with it, but I'm just trying to show you what may happen.

Not the same situation as Walcott....clearly.

You know this.

Mr Nick09 wrote:

The Franchise wrote:What does deserve mean Nick?

What use is deserve to be there when he isnt of any real use?

Alot of people deserve to be there, but getting use out the players is more important.

It means that he has earned his seat in the team, the same way Soldado did.

We are talking about Back up positions here, he doesnt need to have a different skillset than the rest. He is there in case there is an injury or a suspension, or the manager wants to rotate.

That team looks awesome but we know who the real starters are. and in case a back up would be required, he is perfectly able to produce at that level.

Saldado is useful , he could come on and change the nature of the game, Borja cannot do that.

There is no such thing as "back up", not with the talent Spain have. Whats the point bringing in another player when there so many with that same skill but better?

Injury or suspension? Is Xavi, Iniesta, Cesc, Busquets and Alonso all going to get injured and suspened? Because Del Bosque is going to play all of those in the midfield before Borja.

Nobody is similar to Ander in the squad :/

Because he can shoot from distance?

You realise im not saying if your different you should be in?

Im saying, if two players are the same or similar level and one of them brings something unique to the party, then that player has an advantage.

Personally, I think he's better than Cesc at the role Cesc is gonna come in and expected to play.

Thiago?- we have Iniesta and Xavi.

Trust me I love Thiago , but Ander adds more diversity to the squad to the squad.

Ambidexterity-Check
Vision-Check
Final Ball-Check

Ability to do all 3 without killing team flow - Check


Played more than 50 games in his career- Check.

But Thiago is plain better...what about that fact?

Cesc? Lets be realistic..look at Cesc's stats...he is going to get called up, so lets not even go there.

I don't believe that

Thiago plays a packed position.Ander plays one where the only other guy(one who may in fact be used up top anyway) plays.And he's had a better season.

You just made the argument for me lol, Borja is plain better than Thiago.

You would really be doing Martinez wrong if xavi was injured and you didn't just push up Busquets and let him play.

Just to ask...what's Thiago's purpose in the squad?Cover?

Well your in dream land then because I assure you he is.

Cesc isnt a starter, so why would a sub need back up? And Mata can play there too, so I dont get that.

Borja better than Thiago lol In what lifetime

Even if he was, that isnt the point because they arent the same age....have you not been following this discussion?

Nah I watched the world cup and despite the fact that Thiago won the best player award for me it was a toss up.

And this season it isn't even a question.

Ander>Cesc in the resigned 10 role that Cesc is expected to play when hecome's on >Mata as well.

But Mata is a winger and Villa is out and Pedro got dropped so I don't see why he's in the discussion

Lol yea didn't follow the whole discussion

......................Busquets............
...........Xavi.........................Iniesta
.....................Ander......................
............................................Mata
........................Striker.................

Is better than the same with Cesc/Thiago.That's where I'm tryna come from.

EDIT: Before people go crazy, this is not the starting lineup...it's a possible configuration that's likely once Cesc coes on.

Thiago better than Borja now? Chirst.

Well I personally would take these as back up Midfeilders.

Martinez
Fabregas
Borja
Silva

Comon rag Ander isn't better than Cesc...

Cesc has proved that he is a WC midfielder, Ander is nowhere his level atm

Also, Cesc leaves his position becouse that is the role Pep has given him. He plays as a false 10, so whenever Messi drops deep he goes up

He can play as a CM if that's what VDB wants him to