Re: Dont say i didnt tell you like 3 months ago

by Seppuku Thu Oct 06, 2011 4:36 pm

Even Milan's prime Kaka would have been benched by this Ozil.

by Swanhends Thu Oct 06, 2011 4:37 pm

Zealous wrote:
bhends wrote:huntsman

Don't encourage him. Siding with the village idiot reflects poorly on you more than anything.

huntsman is far too smart to be the "village idiot"

by huntsman Thu Oct 06, 2011 4:39 pm

Seppuku wrote:Even Milan's prime Kaka would have been benched by this Ozil.

I respect your opinion but dont agree with it. In my opinion Ozil wont be even as good as fabregas in the near future. He's got some potential but to actually compare him to a true legend isnt fair to ozil.

by Seppuku Thu Oct 06, 2011 4:41 pm

Ozil is already better than Fabregas.

by huntsman Thu Oct 06, 2011 4:43 pm

Seppuku wrote:Ozil is already better than Fabregas.

hmm, what do stats say at this time of the season?

I hope crimson is already crunching the numbers and will comeback with some good stats.

by S Thu Oct 06, 2011 4:49 pm

Seppuku wrote:Even Milan's prime Kaka would have been benched by this Ozil.

Seppuku wrote:Ozil is already better than Fabregas.

by Senor Penguin Thu Oct 06, 2011 5:11 pm

bhends wrote:
Zealous wrote:
bhends wrote:huntsman

Don't encourage him. Siding with the village idiot reflects poorly on you more than anything.

huntsman is far too smart to be the "village idiot"

Yay!!! It's opposite day!

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by huntsman Thu Oct 06, 2011 5:21 pm

The ten goals; true story. I think our hero ozil needs to play just a little bit better to reach kaka's status.

by huntsman Thu Oct 06, 2011 5:30 pm

by skali Thu Oct 06, 2011 6:39 pm

People here are actually trying to have a logical, argument-supported discussion with huntsman? Like trying to have a fist-fight with thin air.

by guest7 Thu Oct 06, 2011 6:43 pm

Well, Huntsman always said Kaka has the potential to be better than Özil. That is true becouse Kaka at prime was one of the best players in modern football. However that is also a highly unrealistic target for Kaka at his current form.

I don't think anyone disagrees becouse all Huntsman said is that we shouldn't give up our hope on Kaka.

by kiranr Thu Oct 06, 2011 7:43 pm

There are way too many Madrid fans on this forum.....

by Lord Spencer Thu Oct 06, 2011 7:54 pm

kiranr wrote:There are way too many Madrid fans on this forum.....

By the way Kiranr.

I am sure that by carful observations based on the criteria I posted. We could make a reasonably objective ratings. However, things such as fear factor and leadership I can't see us having the tools to measure.

The tops things we would be able to measure are Reflexes, Consistency, Concentration, and Penalty Saving.

But Leadership and FK management which are very essential are very difficult to measure.

Also, two criteria I forgot to mention were handling One on Ones. And a new criteria which
is being introduced in the modern game via keepers like Valdes and Neur, which is sweeping the ball forward effectively.

Regardless, I think the statistics heavy approach companies like Castrol use kill the game, as the game is based on feeling and instincts rather than cold calculations.

I also agree that the number of Madrid fans is ludicrous.

by Jack Daniels Thu Oct 06, 2011 7:59 pm

by the xcx Thu Oct 06, 2011 7:59 pm

kiranr wrote:There are way too many Madrid fans on this forum.....

u mad?

by kiranr Thu Oct 06, 2011 8:21 pm

Lord Spencer wrote:
kiranr wrote:There are way too many Madrid fans on this forum.....

By the way Kiranr.

I am sure that by carful observations based on the criteria I posted. We could make a reasonably objective ratings. However, things such as fear factor and leadership I can't see us having the tools to measure.

The tops things we would be able to measure are Reflexes, Consistency, Concentration, and Penalty Saving.

But Leadership and FK management which are very essential are very difficult to measure.

Also, two criteria I forgot to mention were handling One on Ones. And a new criteria which
is being introduced in the modern game via keepers like Valdes and Neur, which is sweeping the ball forward effectively.

Regardless, I think the statistics heavy approach companies like Castrol use kill the game, as the game is based on feeling and instincts rather than cold calculations.

I also agree that the number of Madrid fans is ludicrous.

There are certainly some intangibles that can be assessed only qualitatively. No doubt about that Spencer.

Sweeping up is a product of the system used, so i think that should not be a criteria. I think we can quantitatively rate goalkeepers on some basic duties a goalkeeper fulfills.

About the castrol system, i am one of those few people who think the system has some sort of legitimacy. I find it interesting frankly which is why, as you can see, i have this interest in objectively measuring some of the qualities of a GK.

by Albiceleste Thu Oct 06, 2011 8:31 pm

Surag.Blueguy wrote:
Seppuku wrote:Even Milan's prime Kaka would have been benched by this Ozil.

Seppuku wrote:Ozil is already better than Fabregas.

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by Great Leader Sprucenuce Thu Oct 06, 2011 8:35 pm

Ozil is better than Fabregas tho......

by Albiceleste Thu Oct 06, 2011 8:40 pm

Goals this season in all matches
Cesc:7
Ozil:1
Assists this season in all matches
Cesc:4
Ozil:4
Minutes played:
Cesc:538
Ozil:716

from transfermarkt.de

by Deathrow898 Thu Oct 06, 2011 8:48 pm

The ozil vs fabergas would be a good debate for the vs section...

Anyway on topic I think kaka was never really that good for madrid to be honest IMO of course... Thats why the have ozil who is alot better .....he where Madrid number 10 that should be enough said right there

I believe that madrid should sell him and buy a better player are the are alot of players that are playing better than KAKA right now was good but hes lost ALOT of his form due to injuries. I would be better for madrid if he just left.

Even van der vart who you just sold is playing better than kaka...

Also I'm not saying kaka is a bad player at all because he is most defiantly not bad. I'm just saying that he should move on because its obvious hes the kind of player that needs alot of game time to rediscover form.

Yea kaka is playing brilliant as of now well see if he can hold his form for long while not getting injured of course.

by Ganso Thu Oct 06, 2011 8:50 pm

Seppuku wrote:Even Milan's prime Kaka would have been benched by this Ozil.

by Arquitecto Thu Oct 06, 2011 9:16 pm

Seppaku with 2'of his previous posts which regards his comparisons with ozil onto kaka and fabregas has single-handedly shattered the record for most stupidity, ignorance and sheer garbage based on just 2 posts.

I'd like to have a comprehensive view of his mind and observe how he is so capable of spewing out such blunder.

by Lord Spencer Thu Oct 06, 2011 9:18 pm

Arquitecto wrote:Seppaku with 2'of his previous posts which regards his comparisons with ozil onto kaka and fabregas has single-handedly shattered the record for most stupidity, ignorance and sheer garbage based on just 2 posts.

I'd like to have a comprehensive view of his mind and observe how he is so capable of spewing out such blunder.

Ironically, his name is the ceremonial suicide done by Japanese samurai when dishonord.

I would encourage him to make a similar cyber suicide based on these two posts.

by Deathrow898 Thu Oct 06, 2011 9:20 pm

I dont even think its fair to even judge kaka right now tbh...

by Arquitecto Thu Oct 06, 2011 9:22 pm

Lord Spencer wrote:
Arquitecto wrote:Seppaku with 2'of his previous posts which regards his comparisons with ozil onto kaka and fabregas has single-handedly shattered the record for most stupidity, ignorance and sheer garbage based on just 2 posts.

I'd like to have a comprehensive view of his mind and observe how he is so capable of spewing out such blunder.

Ironically, his name is the ceremonial suicide done by Japanese samurai when dishonord.

I would encourage him to make a similar cyber suicide based on these two posts.

Well said my friend.

Cyber? Believe me, when the man doesn't let his bias and hate cloud his judgment, he spurns out some superbly knowledgable and intriguing posts. It's rare, but he is capable of it.

Plus seppaku makes cyber look like redoranje.

by Guest Thu Oct 06, 2011 9:27 pm

Ozil was better than Fabregas last season though. As for this season it's only a month in, you will excuse me if I reserve judgement till at least January....

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