23/24 UCL Knockout Stage

This PR work needs to be studied. His knockout campaign was really trash

no video for foden when he won premier league player of the season but a video for this guy after a generational ghost sesh… aight man https://t.co/r7kb6tpZsE

— fodenrow 4 peat (@fodenballmcfc) June 1, 2024

It's yours that should be studied You got your two mid youngsters (Pedri and Gavi) back to back golden boy awards on the eve of two embarrassing CL first round exits. You also manage to get the world talking about whatever generic Catalan NPC your academy shits out for at least a couple months every season.

Nobody does youngster hype like you guys, you're the blueprint.

Myesyats wrote:This PR work needs to be studied. His knockout campaign was really trash

no video for foden when he won premier league player of the season but a video for this guy after a generational ghost sesh… aight man https://t.co/r7kb6tpZsE

— fodenrow 4 peat (@fodenballmcfc) June 1, 2024

 

I think both Foden and Bellingham can be opportunistically criticized or praised for specific periods of time throughout the season where they did or didn’t do something particularly well, but Bellingham has been far more consistent from the start despite the criticism he’s getting now.

All in all, I definitely think Bellingham has had a more impressive season. Foden had some great, individual performances and flashy, long-shots that seem to stick to peoples’ memory longer than sustained contributions, and he also benefits from having hit form more recently, but it makes very little sense to me that those bursts of good form warranted a player of the season award.

Contrastingly, Bellingham went through a dip in form towards the end of the season, but played at a really high level for most of it. There’s much more sustainable quality and decisive impact in what he’s done across the 23-24 season. That’s how I see it, at least.

Honestly I don't think he had a dip in form. From what I observed, he played more freely to start the season, especially since we were working out whether or not we would utilize a number 9 and who that would be.

Business side of the season, he played more defensively especially in the big knockout games. Its not like he played and was messing around giving the ball away, getting unnecessary cards, and/or missing chances. The job description just changed a bit and he took a DMzema role towards the end.

Still had the assist for Vinicius' goal. A goal I might add (and I also saw Mourinho say this), that Vinicius would have missed woefully in his first 2 years with us.

I mean you have to be blind or not watching games to not see how much his role changed towards the end of the season.

He had freedom in the hole before and he flourished, but later he became tied up in so much defensive tasks it was impossible to shine that way anymore.

And he accepted it very well, professionally, and kept giving 100%.

Nothing but respect for his season. The false narrative going on about him is pretty ridiculous, if you're watching games and have a brain you know it's not true, he kept doing well, just in a different, non standout way.

It was what the team needed.

farfan wrote:It's yours that should be studied You got your two mid youngsters (Pedri and Gavi) back to back golden boy awards on the eve of two embarrassing CL first round exits. You also manage to get the world talking about whatever generic Catalan NPC your academy shits out for at least a couple months every season.

Nobody does youngster hype like you guys, you're the blueprint.

This has nothing to do with barca you nonce, it's about the english media pushing a narrative.

The other day I saw media push an agenda that he had the best debut season ever, while literally only last season Haaland won the treble and scored a gazillion goals, breaking records of legendary players like Owen, Cole, Shearer etc

Pedri and Gavi are great players anyway. Clubs are bidding crazy money for them. I dont know what are you on about. They carry the Spain NT at a very young age, meanwhile your future Balon dor winner has 3 international goals to his redacted name

Vibe wrote:
later he became tied up in so much defensive tasks it was impossible to shine that way anymore.

And he accepted it very well, professionally, and kept giving 100%.

Nothing but respect for his season. The false narrative going on about him is pretty ridiculous, if you're watching games and have a brain you know it's not true, he kept doing well, just in a different, non standout way.

It was what the team needed.

It seems rare for people to recognize something like «taking one for the team». From an individual standpoint, the best way to garner a positive, public perception is likely just by being really bombastic during the business end of the season.

I at least can’t tell that players are ever held accountable for sleepwalking through most of it as long as they end on a high. Mahrez’ final season at Man City was god awful, but he turned up for a few games after the world cup and all of a sudden people thought he was great.

Yup its why I said there's that bit of Ruud Gullit-ish type of player in him. Someone who can play multiple roles comfortably but still a starter. Usually if you can play multiple diverse roles (like attacking and defending), you're considered a utility player and always on the bench. Bellingham just eased into multiple slots when needed. I don't think he even spent most of the season in his preferred role.

Vibe wrote:I mean you have to be blind or not watching games to not see how much his role changed towards the end of the season.

He had freedom in the hole before and he flourished, but later he became tied up in so much defensive tasks it was impossible to shine that way anymore.

And he accepted it very well, professionally, and kept giving 100%.

Nothing but respect for his season. The false narrative going on about him is pretty ridiculous, if you're watching games and have a brain you know it's not true, he kept doing well, just in a different, non standout way.

It was what the team needed.

He did okay but not Balon d'or okay. That is the entire freaking point. 'Solid' was never enough for B'dor, the sole purpose of the award is to reward exceptional performance which he did not in any way exhibit but english media are pushing that narrative.

Myesyats wrote:

farfan wrote:It's yours that should be studied You got your two mid youngsters (Pedri and Gavi) back to back golden boy awards on the eve of two embarrassing CL first round exits. You also manage to get the world talking about whatever generic Catalan NPC your academy shits out for at least a couple months every season.

Nobody does youngster hype like you guys, you're the blueprint.

This has nothing to do with barca you nonce, it's about the english media pushing a narrative.

The other day I saw media push an agenda that he had the best debut season ever, while literally only last season Haaland won the treble and scored a gazillion goals, breaking records of legendary players like Owen, Cole, Shearer etc

Pedri and Gavi are great players anyway. Clubs are bidding crazy money for them. I dont know what are you on about. They carry the Spain NT at a very young age, meanwhile your future Balon dor winner has 3 international goals to his redacted name

Bellingham is receiving the right amount of hype for a player with his characteristics. He’s a unique case. How many 19-year-olds have moved to the biggest club in the world and had the impact he had right off the bat? How many players, regardless of age, have had as many match-winning goals as he has this year with Madrid? Add in the fact that he’s clearly a marketable star, and it’s easy to see why he’s getting this sort of attention. The narrative spins itself; no need to chalk it up to some manufactured British media push.

What did Pedri and Gavi carry Spain to, by the way? An embarrassing early World Cup exit? The Mickey Mouse Nations League title? Why are goals being used as a metric when all three play deeper roles with their national teams? And it’s not like these two are prolific goal scorers with their national teams either. Pedri has 0 goals, and Gavi just 5.

I think they’re great players and have a tremendous future ahead of them, but the reality is that Jude has already reached the destination you guys dream your players will come close to someday. He wouldn’t get my vote for the Ballon d'Or, but the mere fact that he’s one of the most outstanding performers in a Champions League and league title-winning campaign puts him in the conversation whether you like it or not.

Bellingham joined a team that would've won the trophy with or without him. Pedri and Gavi are in a club that is nearly collapsed and they carried it to La Liga

The hype is partly justified but it's way over the top. Foden won the treble and never got an ounce of what Bellingham gets

Jude Bellingham, also good with kids. Is there anything he can't do? pic.twitter.com/nB6NahVLdI

— Men in Blazers (@MenInBlazers) June 2, 2024

Myesyats wrote:Bellingham joined a team that would've won the trophy with or without him. Pedri and Gavi are in a club that is nearly collapsed and they carried it to La Liga

The hype is partly justified but it's way over the top. Foden won the treble and never got an ounce of what Bellingham gets

Jude Bellingham, also good with kids. Is there anything he can't do? pic.twitter.com/nB6NahVLdI

— Men in Blazers (@MenInBlazers) June 2, 2024

This is the first time we have hit over 90 points since 16/17 (think we still had Ronaldo then). Huge credit goes to Bellingham for being a big part of that. Without his crazy form pre Christmas we would never have reached that many points

Foden reminds me of Asensio. A player with a sweet left foot but one you don't notice in the game unless he scores. Think Foden is very talented but a very generic footballer.

Pedri is very talented who is undone by his absolutely embarrassing fitness. Boy is exhausted from min 30. Even Ozil lasted alot longer.

Gavi what is that raging bull even good at. Fermin has surpassed him both in cu*tness and impact.

Good at the same thing that Fede is? Running around the pitch and being physical

He was injured this entire season and we suffered a lot

Dont think "cuntness" is a word you should use as long as your club is employing Vini

Myesyats wrote:Good at the same thing that Fede is? Running around the pitch and being physical

He was injured this entire season and we suffered a lot

Dont think "cuntness" is a word you should use as long as your club is employing Vini

Come on he is not even in Valverde's ballpark.

Pedram wrote:

Myesyats wrote:Good at the same thing that Fede is? Running around the pitch and being physical

He was injured this entire season and we suffered a lot

Dont think "cuntness" is a word you should use as long as your club is employing Vini

Come on he is not even in Valverde's ballpark.

Honestly Gavi is 19/20 and Fede should nearly be entering his prime at 25/26

Forced comparison anyway

Myesyats wrote:Bellingham joined a team that would've won the trophy with or without him. Pedri and Gavi are in a club that is nearly collapsed and they carried it to La Liga

That might be true for the CL but Madrid has consistently struggled in the league and his goals are what ultimately decided the competition. Him morphing into a lethal goalscorer out of nowhere and impacting results so much that people have completely forgotten about Benzema is something no one expected. It's definitely something most players would have failed at, let alone 19 year old midfielders being asked to shoulder goal scoring responsibilities for the first time in their career. His La Liga season was nothing short of historic if we take all variables into consideration.

Foden has a few things working against him. first of all, he just lacks whatever "X factor" star players tend to have. This is purely subjective but he wouldn't be the first accomplished athlete to struggle capturing the public's imagination. Second, which is the most important factor imo, he's part of a well oiled machine that makes it hard for any individual player to truly transcend the team and levitate over their teammates. Just look at the revolving door of players that at various times were pushed as City's "best/most important player": Bernando Silva, Ederson, De Bruyne, DM Stones (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2Evgdlmcrk), Rodri, and Foden.

Myesyats wrote:Good at the same thing that Fede is? Running around the pitch and being physical

He was injured this entire season and we suffered a lot

Dont think "cuntness" is a word you should use as long as your club is employing Vini

You think that's what Valvede is good at just running around being physical?

You suffered this season because Araujo's form fell off a cliff and MaTS couldn't replicate last seasons heroics. You won every game 1-0 last season. It was never going to last. You hit a similar points total this season as you did last season.

halamadrid2 wrote:Pedri is very talented who is undone by his absolutely embarrassing fitness. Boy is exhausted from min 30 mins.

FFS he is drenched in sweat on the warmup. If Flick doesnt fix that nobody will

halamadrid2 wrote:

Myesyats wrote:Good at the same thing that Fede is? Running around the pitch and being physical

He was injured this entire season and we suffered a lot

Dont think "cuntness" is a word you should use as long as your club is employing Vini

You think that's what Valvede is good at just running around being physical?

Well you think that Gavi is not good at anything.. then why is he starting for NT since 17y/o?

Myesyats wrote:

halamadrid2 wrote:

Myesyats wrote:Good at the same thing that Fede is? Running around the pitch and being physical

He was injured this entire season and we suffered a lot

Dont think "cuntness" is a word you should use as long as your club is employing Vini

You think that's what Valvede is good at just running around being physical?

Well you think that Gavi is not good at anything.. then why is he starting for NT since 17y/o?

Lack of better options maybe? the current Spain NT isn't exactly full of talents.

Morata is also a starter in there, doesn't mean he is good.

Myesyats wrote:

halamadrid2 wrote:Pedri is very talented who is undone by his absolutely embarrassing fitness. Boy is exhausted from min 30 mins.

FFS he is drenched in sweat on the warmup. If Flick doesnt fix that nobody will

Read that Flick likes physical fast players to fit into his high line high press type of football where the main focus is on scoring more than the opponent. It's going to be a sink or swim season for him

Myesyats wrote:

halamadrid2 wrote:

Myesyats wrote:Good at the same thing that Fede is? Running around the pitch and being physical

He was injured this entire season and we suffered a lot

Dont think "cuntness" is a word you should use as long as your club is employing Vini

You think that's what Valvede is good at just running around being physical?

Well you think that Gavi is not good at anything.. then why is he starting for NT since 17y/o?

I'll not be surprised if Cubarsi starts for the NT. You could play 5 mins for Barca and you'd still be an instant starter for Spain. On the other side of the spectrum you have players like Brahim who'd never start despite playing better than all the starters. It is what it is

I feel for us Myseyats, some of these Real fans are so fking funny n hate us so much they jump on anything anytime to take a hit on Barca so XD The likes of comparing Foden to Asensio comments are so XD

What we all know true is English media hypes any decent English player also.

Thats the two points I gathered from this page XD

Not saying Bellingham didnt have an amazing season btw.... n yes sadly in todays game physicality is huge, n Pedri cant compare with Bellingham anywhere near... hopefully Flick might be able to improve that though doubt it... prolly a natural born thing...

No footballer that almost carried a team
that lose 0-3 to team like Cienciano from Peru.
& lose 0-2 to Toluca, Mexico

& finally won the whole trophy.

With 8 goals,
6 in knockouts including the finals.
+ 5 assists.
Playing as their playmaker.

Except, Riquelme.

Talking about the influential player.

BarcaLearning wrote:I feel for us Myseyats, some of these Real fans are so fking funny n hate us so much they jump on anything anytime to take a hit on Barca so XD The likes of comparing Foden to Asensio comments are so XD

What we all know true is English media hypes any decent English player also.

Thats the two points I gathered from this page XD

Not saying Bellingham didnt have an amazing season btw.... n yes sadly in todays game physicality is huge, n Pedri cant compare with Bellingham anywhere near... hopefully Flick might be able to improve that though doubt it... prolly a natural born thing...

Its a common theme, Brahim and Asensio dont play but deserve to, Asensio > Foden, etc etc

Funniest thing I've seen this morning on Madrid twitter, Carvajal > Lahm Fede for B'dor etc. Its a good laugh honestly if anything