Re: EPL's top teams in decline

by El Chelsea Fuerte Wed Sep 28, 2011 3:35 am

Grande_Milano wrote:Chelsea is underrated, do not want to meet them, talent is there. Remember, Hiddink struggled too at the beginning.

Are you saying that Villas-Boas is struggling?

by BarrileteCosmico Wed Sep 28, 2011 3:42 am

Fact: English teams have improved, a bit.
Fact: Bayern has improved more, making the relative power of English teams seem lesser since 'greatness' is a relative attribute anyway.
Fact: English teams in 07/08 were more dominant than now, no sense in arguing otherwise.
Fact: Man City have a lot to prove in Europe, Napoli stands a better chance of going on than them.

by Le Samourai Wed Sep 28, 2011 3:47 am

BarrileteCosmico wrote:Fact: English teams have improved, a bit.
Fact: Bayern has improved more, making the relative power of English teams seem lesser since 'greatness' is a relative attribute anyway.
Fact: English teams in 07/08 were more dominant than now, no sense in arguing otherwise.
Fact: Man City have a lot to prove in Europe, Napoli stands a better chance of going on than them.

It's debatable.If Man city somehow find a way to get the best out of their talent . affraid

If not , Napoli has been a unit for a long time now. But individual talent goes a long way in this dogfight called the group stages.

by windkick Wed Sep 28, 2011 3:58 am

I mean in the past 4 years, not last year

by BeautifulGame Wed Sep 28, 2011 4:24 am

3 out of 8 QF teams last year were PL teams.More than any other league.
And 2 PL teams were eliminated by Barca and other one btw themselves.(united eliminated Chelsea).

Yes they have declined in the last 3-4 years but only Real Barca and Bayern have really improved in the time.As a league they are still performing better than anyother league.So even if they are in decline no other league is exactly catching up them atm.

by El Chelsea Fuerte Wed Sep 28, 2011 4:28 am

I think PL teams will be strong again.

Chelsea are clearly rebuilding and going uphill after last season, Liverpool are building a good squad (need to make some wiser choices in the future though), Man Utd's young side are already showing good signs (need to add in some areas) and Man City have the Sheiks.

I can see a pretty strong PL like before in the future.

by Le Samourai Wed Sep 28, 2011 4:32 am

english_jewel wrote:I think PL teams will be strong again.

Chelsea are clearly rebuilding and going uphill after last season, Liverpool are building a good squad (need to make some wiser choices in the future though), Man Utd's young side are already showing good signs (need to add in some areas) and Man City have the Sheiks.

I can see a pretty strong PL like before in the future.

Yea...I don't get this thread.

The four big teams in England are in a great position going forwad from here.(sorry Arsenal).How they could be in decline is beyond be.

Recently underwent decline is more like it.

by VivaStPauli Wed Sep 28, 2011 6:42 am

english_jewel wrote:I think PL teams will be strong again.

Chelsea are clearly rebuilding and going uphill after last season, Liverpool are building a good squad (need to make some wiser choices in the future though), Man Utd's young side are already showing good signs (need to add in some areas) and Man City have the Sheiks.

I can see a pretty strong PL like before in the future.

This imho. Okay, Chelsea probably was a bit late with replacing the old with the young, and 'Pool needs another season, but besides that... City will eventually figure out a way to get something out of all their talent and Utd is always strong. I think Real is just bouncing back and Bayern is improving vastly, while Barca isn't slowing down, that makes the English clubs seem less threatening by comparison, but the EPL still fields 5 or 6 teams who can be argued to deserve UCL football.

by Babun Wed Sep 28, 2011 8:28 am

BarrileteCosmico wrote:Fact: English teams have improved, a bit.
Fact: Bayern has improved more, making the relative power of English teams seem lesser since 'greatness' is a relative attribute anyway.
Fact: English teams in 07/08 were more dominant than now, no sense in arguing otherwise.
Fact: Man City have a lot to prove in Europe, Napoli stands a better chance of going on than them.

I really like you, no homo, Alfred eco smile

by EarlyPrototype Wed Sep 28, 2011 9:01 am

ahaha good job Babun Smile

by Red Alert Wed Sep 28, 2011 5:21 pm

by Babun Wed Sep 28, 2011 9:43 pm

Chelski tied away to Valencia. I'd regard it as a good result for them except Valencia were all over them for 90 minutes eco smile

by urbaNRoots Wed Sep 28, 2011 9:45 pm

England should be proud having Arsenal Very Happy

by Gil Wed Sep 28, 2011 9:48 pm

babun1024 wrote:Chelski tied away to Valencia. I'd regard it as a good result for them except Valencia were all over them for 90 minutes

They barely threatened us throughout the game.

by Babun Wed Sep 28, 2011 9:50 pm

urbaNRoots wrote:England should be proud having Arsenal

I saw what you did there :lol!:

by EarlyPrototype Wed Sep 28, 2011 9:50 pm

Gil wrote:
babun1024 wrote:Chelski tied away to Valencia. I'd regard it as a good result for them except Valencia were all over them for 90 minutes

They barely threatened us throughout the game.

Piatti chance? Soldado chance? they were great chances.

by lszanto Wed Sep 28, 2011 9:51 pm

babun1024 wrote:Chelski tied away to Valencia. I'd regard it as a good result for them except Valencia were all over them for 90 minutes

Um? If not for one idiot on our team would have been a comfortable 1-0 win and could have easily been 2 or 3 if not for their keeper.

Considering Barca drew with them 2-2 at the same ground I don't think it's a poor result.

by Babun Wed Sep 28, 2011 9:52 pm

Gil wrote:
babun1024 wrote:Chelski tied away to Valencia. I'd regard it as a good result for them except Valencia were all over them for 90 minutes

They barely threatened us throughout the game.

So I was hallucinating when Piatti and co. almost scored? Very Happy

by Lord Spencer Wed Sep 28, 2011 9:54 pm

Chelsea fans are delusional. Valencia had 16 shots on target and 58%, cut the bull and swallow the draw.

by REWB Wed Sep 28, 2011 9:54 pm

babun1024 wrote:
Gil wrote:
babun1024 wrote:Chelski tied away to Valencia. I'd regard it as a good result for them except Valencia were all over them for 90 minutes

They barely threatened us throughout the game.
So I was hallucinating when Piatti and co. almost scored?

lol i dont get you babun, Valencia are laliga 3RD best team, so your telling me at home, you dont even expect them to create chances or control a game a bit. do you rate them so lowley?

by EarlyPrototype Wed Sep 28, 2011 9:56 pm

RedEyesWhiteBeard wrote:
babun1024 wrote:
Gil wrote:
babun1024 wrote:Chelski tied away to Valencia. I'd regard it as a good result for them except Valencia were all over them for 90 minutes

They barely threatened us throughout the game.
So I was hallucinating when Piatti and co. almost scored?

lol i dont get you babun, Valencia are laliga 3RD best team, so your telling me at home, you dont even expect them to create chances or control a game a bit. do you rate them so lowley?

Normally teams outside the top 2 aint rated by people, especially from other leagues. So it was a good day for Spanish football.

by REWB Wed Sep 28, 2011 10:10 pm

after seeing the highlights on skysports, i saw more chances from chelsea then valencia...i dont know what your on about babun...ramires and anelka had a one on one and torres had like two golden opportunities were the valencia's goalkeeper was incredible.... valencia hardly threatened sept for piatti chance, gil was right. the game was a fair result.