Off-Topic Garden Café

Surag wrote:

Surag is my second account. I am having this conversation with myself.

If thats the case,you should rep every post Surag makes..Increase your 'own' rep,make use of that power

Yeah, that is a good idea. The thing is that I am egotistical enough to complement my alias, but not egotistical enough to rep them... I mean... me.

Surag, just saw this...

jibers wrote:Madrid fans never seem to amaze me. Not only are they completely differnt kind of players, but Busquets has done it all at every single level of football. Giggs, Maldini, Scholes, Xavi all benefited from systems eh. What a load of horse shite. We all forget that Ronaldo has only ever played in counter attacking systems, but no use it for Busquets. Khedira isn't even better than Fletcher of 09/10 season let alone Busquets.

#saveusDIVINE

... ...

He played against Maradona. He played against Luis Ronaldo.
He played with Baggio and with Shevchenko.

He played against Del Piero and Zidane.
And He played with Inzaghi and Kaka.

He played against Davids
And he played with Pirlo.

Somethings(like his career) can't be defined in words.

The oldest player to score in a Champions League final.

The most successful player in the European Cup history.(after the Madrid stars of 50s)

Most International tournament wins.

900 games. Played right through the back 4.

Humble,yet terribly stubborn defender.

The greatest defender of my generation.

Players came and players went.
He stood there,through everything.

Happy birthday Mr Maldini,You are a star.

Man... i'm... sorta... bored by this section lately.

There needs to be some massive news to get me to post here. Thiago Silva and PSG was probably the last thing that had me interested in football.

Good for Italy for making such a good journey to the final but honestly, EURO 2012 just ain't doing it for me.

The season cannot start soon enough

BiasedMilanFan3 wrote:Man... i'm... sorta... bored by this section lately.

There needs to be some massive news to get me to post here. Thiago Silva and PSG was probably the last thing that had me interested in football.

Good for Italy for making such a good journey to the final but honestly, EURO 2012 just ain't doing it for me.

The season cannot start soon enough

Agreed.

I've posted for in one thread (the do you believe in God debate) more than I've posed in this entire section lately.

And it sucks because I'm not that optimistic for our season at all.

who won the prediction thread btw? was it ever tallied up?

Sometimes I wish I could avoid learning some important lessons, because it inflicts so much pain to learn them. The price is big.

Yesterday for example, I learned that you can't ever be sure of anything, even facts like 2x2=4.

People who promise you things, they can inexplicably change behavior so fast you won't know what hit you... and from where.

One day I will look back and smile. Not today.

Today I have these tears in my eyes that blur everything I see. Maybe these blurring things make everything seem clearer for the rest of my life, but who gives a shit? I am hurt. God I wished things had gone better.

I can't say it's my fault... or can I?
I'm this poor, illiterate, idiot, soft 22-year-old schmuck who's being played and manipulated by people who are bigger, for now, than I can take.


I had six special friends by 2010, each representing something that I needed in life.

One of them, who used to have these overlong 2-hour phone calls with me (mostly about Football and his beloved Barca), immigrated to Canada in 2010, and I haven't heard anything from him eversince.

One got admitted in Piacenza, Italy, to study industrial design. Since he went there in 2009, he's visited twice, and said he considers me his most special friend in life. A few months ago, he blocked me on facebook because I uploaded a photo of us together (in which he was laughing his ass off), because he thought I'm a jerk and embarrassed him among his very classy friends.

Another friend, the only girl among the bunch, used to (and maybe still does) understand me better than most people, but she has placed this unbreakable barrier between us that I can't breach. I don't mean sex and relationship, it's just that as much as I open up, she doesn't at all. She's really weird.

The fourth case, a low-life yet very funny and strange guy whom I supported for years both financially and emotionally turned out to be unworthy of all my affection toward him. One day, when I needed him the most a few weeks ago, he told me "I'm so tired, I need to sleep. Sorry."
I don't wanna see the ignorant, selfish asshole anymore... At least for a while.

My fifth special friend and I haven't hanged out since mid 2011, but our friendship is as deep as before. We plan to hook up in the coming weeks.

The last great friend of mine, my best and most beloved friend since 2005, last came to our house in March, and we haven't had any phone call since then. Again, we texted each other today to arrange a lunch or something.


Am I being boring? Definitely yeah, but this feels good, opening up to an unseen bunch of people who even if they judge, they won't throw it in my face, feels good.


So, since a few months back, I got in touch with a former teacher of mine whom I met in 2007: A 37-year-old, mathematician, movie freak, very rich playboy who averages three different girls a week, and yet has two almost-full-time girlfriends (and a few EXes that he supports financially). He also proudly did some time because he took part in demos against Iran's dictatorship regime in 2009 (sometimes we went together). a SOB, who happened to be his student, was the snitch.

Anyway. He found a fantastic job for me, introduced me to his marvelous circle of friends which consists of writers, musicians, movie directors, screenwriters (who asked me if I can co-operate with them) etc. He helped me go through a difficult phase in my relationship with my girl and sent his lawyer to help me solve a few legal complications.

Movies, to be honest, were what linked us and once again in my short life, these precious works of art saved my stubborn ass.

Recently, after all the weird things I went through, I realized that, what people work TOO hard to achieve and go to extremes to get their hands on, are usually not achieved in the end if it's not written up there.
"The best moments happen when you least expect them", Gabriel Garcia Marquez says. And boy do I believe in the great man.

I found a friend who's willing to give his all for me and despite all the differences, respect me the way I think I deserve. Ain't that somethin'?


All those friends who I tried too much to stay with, they ultimately proved to be disloyal or at least not as loyal as should be.
My girl, who I think has broken up with me for mysterious (actually, it's not easy to reveal) reasons, also proved that it's impossible to count on anything, anyone.

People have to rely on themselves, and what their abilities bring them. That's a fact.

Now though, instead of all my fruitless, meaningless efforts in the past in connecting with the right people, I've found a new window through which I can have a new look at the world. It's a new experience, and a real challenge.


Has any of you found unexpected happiness in most unexpected of places - like I did?
Well, lucky us! Right?

I think most people went through that Iras.It sounds cold, but i personally dont trust my friends and never will.Family members are the only people you can count on

Goodbye my lover...
No, I'd better say 'goodbye my loved one'. That suits you better.

Every creature has a reason to live. You used to be my reason.
And you used to be my alibi, you used to be my excuse.

Baby, you used to love me. Does love wear out so easily? With no fuss? No, it can't be that simple. There must be more to it.

Nonetheless, it's all over, I suppose.

Was it fun baby? Was I fun?
We were a good team, weren't we really? We made Romeo & Juliet look bad. We had everything. We had the whole endless universe under our feet. And you blew it.
God, why did you have to do that?

Euphoria, I'm sure, is the word. Euphoric could be the only adjective you could use to describe me when I was near you.

I was full of questions, I had so many dreams, I was optimistic, I was hopeful, I was new to my surroundings, I was innocent.
And pure, I was as pure as a kid.
Maybe I was a kid.

But you woke me up. Why did you? I was fine asleep.
You made me see the cruelties of this world and I won't thank you for that.
I didn't need that. It was already too complicated, you twisted it even more. I was living a dreamy life in my unreal dreams.

Where are you now? What are you doing at this very moment when I'm remembering you? Are you... Are you feeling good?

Are you awake, baby? Maybe thinking of me? Ah, stupid me. Sure you're not.
I was the fool. I am the fool. I am the clueless, penniless, hopeless lover who thought all you need is love.
What a crock of nonsense. Who even said that?

It's 4 am and I'm imagining how you might be right now.
My imagination goes wild after midnight every night. I can't handle it when the lights are off. You're everywhere, I hear you. I see you baby.

I can see your warm, sweet body lying in bed in peace. Ah, peace. Believe me, it's the best thing.
It's unfairly underrated. People need to go through what I went through to realize just how delicate and sensitive this peace is. It's very strange.

Peace is exactly what I haven't had and craved to have in months.

Then I see your eyes, those shiny eyes. They are closed though, and you don't see. I see. I don't want to, I try to stop, but I can't seem to help it. I just see your face in everybody's face, and everywhere.

Your lively hands held my face and you stared in my eyes by the sea in that lovely August... Do you remember baby? Do you remember how you breathed in my face in that cool wind and under those bright stars' watchful eyes?

Wave after wave hit the rocks down there and there we were, in oblivion, in a world that was only ours and we whispered the unspeakable to each other. Ecstasy baby, a night of ecstasy it was.

I could swear it was all a dream, but damn this life, it was real. It could never be more real, and that, baby, is what hurts the most: Reality.

You told me how you love the way I always have a lot to say, how I'm full of stories and how I'm an exciting, unique being. I was shushed and flushed with pride. I smiled baby and you couldn't see that, because my head was on your shoulder.

We made love under the moonlight, and we heard the sea, and we heard each other baby.

You used to be the cave I hid in. You showed me what I had always lacked in my life and you filled the void.

Now you're gone, and I'm hollow baby.
I feel empty inside. I have nothing left.

Whom should I tell my stories? Whom should I complain to about how horrible and selfish some people are? Whom should I confide in with my darkest secrets? Who will laugh at my mischievous behavior? Who will calm me down when I'm restless? Who will take my anger with beautiful silence to make me feel better? Who baby? Who?


I'm shattered. You shattered me.
I'm lost and it's your fault.

All you said to me, they were... I don't know. To be honest, I don't know if I ever knew anything.

If I were asked where I am now, I would say, "What do you think? Where does it look like I am?"

It's all burnt to ashes. Our sand castle, it's gone.
Our lives will never be the same.
And me? I'm numb, like you.

I tried my so hard to convince myself you're gone. But you're here, I can feel it.
But I've been alone all this time.
I wish everything about you could be erased from my mind. All those memories, the signs we used to put here and there. I wish they could all be erased. As if nothing ever happened between us. Funny, huh?
I still can't burn the mementos, your souvenirs. Why can't I? What is telling me to hold on, to carry on, to still hope?

Someone said, "Move on, boy."
"Move on? Where to?" I asked.


Goodbye my loved one.
You were the one.

Very sorry to hear that Iras, find someone to talk to, extensively, if you can trust that person, of course.

As for the previous post, that's exactly how my experiences have been the last couple years. I've learned not to count on anyone anymore. Still searching for that one person who I can at least to some degree, confide in. They're a small bunch though, a tricky bunch- they are hard to find. I'll find him/her, I hope.

When you're getting over someone, you have literally mixed feelings about the whole process.

At first you're like, "She's worth another shot. Maybe I was wrong. It's impossible to forget all the otherworldly moments we shared. Those whispers under the stars? What about the promises we gave each other?"

Then, as your connection to reality just starts to kick in again after a long time, you might think, "But wait, if she really did mean all that she said and did, then why act like this? What is wrong? What isn't the way it seems this time? Maybe I should cheer up really. Go for a jog every morning, take a cold shower after, have a huge breakfast, smile to others all the time..."

But what happens is quite what you didn't want.

You do go for the jog, but all you think of while running, is her face, her smile, her smell.

And sure you do take that cold shower, but you won't like it, because you cry under the pouring water and God knows that thousands of liters of water can't wash away those tears, cuz they're real, they come from deep inside and represent a sense of loss. Loss is tricky to handle.

Time goes on. Now, instead of feeling restless every time you remember her, you smile!
It's strange how much time can affect you and just heal. It's better than any drink, pill or whatever.

Now you revel in working, exercising, interacting with people, hanging out with friends, eating, everything. You now look at her not as an unreachable or lost target, but thankfully, as a memory. You accept that she's gone for good, you are confident you will be fine.

It wasn't your fault, you tend to think, and that it's her loss.
You believe that your valuable ass was too good for hers, that soon you will get loads of puss..., I mean love. You start to contemplate the idea that it all was a big mistake, big waste of time, and that you didn't need it, nor do you now.

At this point, you will have reached a crossroads.

1. What if she calls?
In that case, should you treat her coldly? Should you play confident and give her hope, but talk about an imaginary new love to piss her off? Should you put a gun on your head and threaten to pull the trigger if she wouldn't come back to stay? Should you cry and tell stories about these past months and what you've been through?

2. What if another one falls for you? Should you ignore her? Maybe use her then dump her? Give it another shot? Give yourself another chance?

3. Should you begin to look for new relationships? Is being on your own a good thing, underrated even? Should you listen to your friend and call the one he gave the number of, the one who's said to be interested in, you know?

4. Should you become gay?

5. Should you once and for all make a wise decision and end your life?

6. Or maybe the world is a better place WITH you in it?


All I can say is, I wish things ti get better.

And you, yes bitch, I'm talking to you.
I know that I'm still madly in love with you, that I can't see a scratch on the tip of your thumb, that I secretly still want you back, but...

I've accepted that I can't make it work with you, that for whatever reason, your inaccessible. I'm in love with you, yes, but I'm in love with Milan too, doesn't mean I can play for them, does it?

I have one last request from you. Actually I have three, is that OK?

a. Be gone
b. Stay away
c. Get forgotten


Will ya?

Find the next girl Iras , it will work wonders.

Guys , goodbye. This cycle has ended for me. From being a lurker somewhere in 2008 , to posting ever since , i enjoyed my time thoroughly , even when discusions weren't so pleasant. Nowdays i just , i don't have the same passion or interest in the forums anymore and personaly speaking , whenever i had lost passion in something , it meant the end .

I want to thank all the Milanisti who i had the pleasure to discuss stuff with , disagree or share opinions and jokes , even those who have insulted/disrespected me for no reason most of the times. From the seasoned ones to most recent posters . Especially some guys in the Milan section , you guys are terrific . I wish i could have known you better on and even off the forums .

Arquitecto : You re a great person buddy , from your first posts in the old forums i knew you would stay around and that you will be one of the best posters eventualy. Your ideas on football and Milan are excellent and you have virtues as a fan and as a person many should be jealous. Don't change. Good luck R .

Baresi : I don't know if you remember , but once we had a discusion about god , christianity , Islam and stuff.. We disagreed in almost everything , but that didn't stop you sharing a joke with me the day after .It shows what a great person you are , despite what some Juventini laddos are saying. Good luck to you and your family mate.

Jesp : I will miss your passionate posts buddy , even if recently you ve been somewhat distant from discussing stuff with me . No harsh feelings though , you are a cool Milanista , who really loves this club and Alexi Laiho lol. I've always enjoyed discussing with you. Good luck buddy .

BigBoban : I haven't seen you around that much lately , but i couldn't just forget you mate. It's been years now we discussed stuff and you were always a great guy. Best of luck to you as well , you are one of the most real Milanisti i've witnessed.

Iras : When i posted for the first time in the old , old forums , you were already one of the best posters around and your contribution in the section has always been pleasant. We had some interesting discussions , that some times seemed a bit harsh , but it's only because you could get it.I wouldn't bother otherwise. You mate are a brilliant person and this thread is simply unique . I wish you the best.

Dosto : It's not a coincedence everyone helds you in high regards mate. I've learned quite a lot throughout our discussions and from your posts in general , and you were , from the very first days around , one of my favourite posters. I wish we had a beer one day , it would be fun . Best of luck to you to , but something tells me you re not going to need much.

Biased : I cannot really recall how many times i laughed in front of the screen with your jokes lol . You have a great sense of humour and a unique way to express this mate , that's something i've always admired in you. You are a great poster and an even better forum mate for everyone. Best of luck , i will miss your humour.

Ganso : Similar to Biased , i've lold many times with your jokes and had a great time discussing stuff with you mate. You keep going and i hope the real Ganso comes to Milan one day , so you enjoy both Milan and Ganso better. My best wishes .

Forza : Like so many other Milanisti around , you are an intelligent poster , but i what i always admired is your unique perspective . Honest , real and passionate , your posts even when we disagreed were quality. You always had my respect mate , if you don't know it already. Continue like that .

Ninja : I wish i knew you better , you have a terrific sense of humour and you are an excellent poster like many others here. It was a pleasure reading your ideas , jokes and disatisfaction even , some times. All 100% authentic. Good luck in everything.

MTD : I ve always respected you mate . From my first days around , and i've always wanted to read your opinion on things. You have other responsibilities way more important now , but you still post , it proves to me how much you want to be a part of Milan everywhere. Best of luck and i hope your son takes becomes a Milan player one day , if he is up to it . I wish him the best too .

M99 : I've always liked your sense of humour and passion for Milan . Cool poster , i've always liked to read your posts , either funny or serious. I wish you well.

Dreamerr : He won't read this , but it's ok. He always had my outmost respect , both as a person and as a fan . I learned life lessons from some of his posts.

I wish i could keep mentioning everyone , but it will take forever.. For the guys out of the Milan section , i don't have much to say other than i've read many hilarious posts and some really informative and educative.

Guys like Mole , Zealous , Viva , Lex , Crointer , McLewis , Dani , Bhends , Billy , Realgunner , Crimson , Art Morte , RedOranjie , Rwo are great , great guys(or girls) and posters. Stay original , you are all great.

It's been a pleasure so far and i will always remember my time in the forums , it was a really great experience , especially along with you fellow Rossoneri . I have nothing else to add other than goodbye and keep this section constractive , funny , educative and open for all to express themselves.

Bye bye

well,i hope you post when youre around.if you lost intereste just post when you want to,no need to quit everything

Dante, boy.

Do you have any idea what the place will look like after your departure?

Even if I hated your gut (which is, BTW, not the case), I would ask you to stay, because what you do is obvious for all to see, it's wonderful.

Do what Captain PM3 did in 2008: Revert your decision, postpone your retirement. Nobody will mind, I promise!

Have a drink, helps you think!!!

Well it is your choice in the matter but I think everyone in the Milan section would agree in saying that if you leave for good we would lose a great contributor to our section. While it is up to you, I think you should stick around

Sad to hear that dante, I would really hope that a mini break would re vitalise you and maybe bring u back fresh. Forum needs u buddy

hey dante, hope u come back. we already lost many good people, many of them with busy life or other reasons. i miss good old times .. elmickio eivindo dreamer, milanistar, sorry if i forget to mention anyone of u from old forums i know everyone of ur post .

anyway yeah dante u are one of us. so just take ur time and come back again. looking forward to see u take care

Well, I'm not exactly gone yet, I pop in regularly! I still dont know enough people in the real world who I can talk Serie A and Milan with.

In the old forums, didn't we have the section with the most posts? Correct me if I'm wrong, but we had more than Arsenal, Juve and Madrid? Even Barca had a much much smaller fan base in the old forums, but will surely catch up on us.

Our section has begun to die, and I think people can feel it and don't want to participate on a sinking ship, or something like that.

We need some of you lurkers to step out of your caves and make a contribution! I bet some of you have been lurking for years, and know the game pretty well. Don`t be afraid, we wont bite, - at least not for a few days, cause we are slow at replying in here

Forza Rossoneri wrote:who won the prediction thread btw? was it ever tallied up?

Tonger... Never thought of a prize for him though.

Eivindo wrote:

In the old forums, didn't we have the section with the most posts? Correct me if I'm wrong, but we had more than Arsenal, Juve and Madrid? Even Barca had a much much smaller fan base in the old forums, but will surely catch up on us.

Yep. Funnily enough, my first post in there (After months of lurking) was to ask how to Kudos a poster. I think I got 10 replies in under 5 minutes...

Dante wrote:Guys , goodbye. This cycle has ended for me. From being a lurker somewhere in 2008 , to posting ever since , i enjoyed my time thoroughly , even when discusions weren't so pleasant. Nowdays i just , i don't have the same passion or interest in the forums anymore and personaly speaking , whenever i had lost passion in something , it meant the end .

I want to thank all the Milanisti who i had the pleasure to discuss stuff with , disagree or share opinions and jokes , even those who have insulted/disrespected me for no reason most of the times. From the seasoned ones to most recent posters . Especially some guys in the Milan section , you guys are terrific . I wish i could have known you better on and even off the forums .

Arquitecto : You re a great person buddy , from your first posts in the old forums i knew you would stay around and that you will be one of the best posters eventualy. Your ideas on football and Milan are excellent and you have virtues as a fan and as a person many should be jealous. Don't change. Good luck R .

Baresi : I don't know if you remember , but once we had a discusion about god , christianity , Islam and stuff.. We disagreed in almost everything , but that didn't stop you sharing a joke with me the day after .It shows what a great person you are , despite what some Juventini laddos are saying. Good luck to you and your family mate.

Jesp : I will miss your passionate posts buddy , even if recently you ve been somewhat distant from discussing stuff with me . No harsh feelings though , you are a cool Milanista , who really loves this club and Alexi Laiho lol. I've always enjoyed discussing with you. Good luck buddy .

BigBoban : I haven't seen you around that much lately , but i couldn't just forget you mate. It's been years now we discussed stuff and you were always a great guy. Best of luck to you as well , you are one of the most real Milanisti i've witnessed.

Iras : When i posted for the first time in the old , old forums , you were already one of the best posters around and your contribution in the section has always been pleasant. We had some interesting discussions , that some times seemed a bit harsh , but it's only because you could get it.I wouldn't bother otherwise. You mate are a brilliant person and this thread is simply unique . I wish you the best.

Dosto : It's not a coincedence everyone helds you in high regards mate. I've learned quite a lot throughout our discussions and from your posts in general , and you were , from the very first days around , one of my favourite posters. I wish we had a beer one day , it would be fun . Best of luck to you to , but something tells me you re not going to need much.

Biased : I cannot really recall how many times i laughed in front of the screen with your jokes lol . You have a great sense of humour and a unique way to express this mate , that's something i've always admired in you. You are a great poster and an even better forum mate for everyone. Best of luck , i will miss your humour.

Ganso : Similar to Biased , i've lold many times with your jokes and had a great time discussing stuff with you mate. You keep going and i hope the real Ganso comes to Milan one day , so you enjoy both Milan and Ganso better. My best wishes .

Forza : Like so many other Milanisti around , you are an intelligent poster , but i what i always admired is your unique perspective . Honest , real and passionate , your posts even when we disagreed were quality. You always had my respect mate , if you don't know it already. Continue like that .

Ninja : I wish i knew you better , you have a terrific sense of humour and you are an excellent poster like many others here. It was a pleasure reading your ideas , jokes and disatisfaction even , some times. All 100% authentic. Good luck in everything.

MTD : I ve always respected you mate . From my first days around , and i've always wanted to read your opinion on things. You have other responsibilities way more important now , but you still post , it proves to me how much you want to be a part of Milan everywhere. Best of luck and i hope your son takes becomes a Milan player one day , if he is up to it . I wish him the best too .

M99 : I've always liked your sense of humour and passion for Milan . Cool poster , i've always liked to read your posts , either funny or serious. I wish you well.

Dreamerr : He won't read this , but it's ok. He always had my outmost respect , both as a person and as a fan . I learned life lessons from some of his posts.

I wish i could keep mentioning everyone , but it will take forever.. For the guys out of the Milan section , i don't have much to say other than i've read many hilarious posts and some really informative and educative.

Guys like Mole , Zealous , Viva , Lex , Crointer , McLewis , Dani , Bhends , Billy , Realgunner , Crimson , Art Morte , RedOranjie , Rwo are great , great guys(or girls) and posters. Stay original , you are all great.

It's been a pleasure so far and i will always remember my time in the forums , it was a really great experience , especially along with you fellow Rossoneri . I have nothing else to add other than goodbye and keep this section constractive , funny , educative and open for all to express themselves.

Bye bye

Bye Dante! We disagreed more often than not, but it was always a pleasure hearing your point of view...Don't completely rule out coming back.

Say, boys, can you recommend some singers, bands etc. whose music really sucks you in the atmosphere?

I mean like Anathema. Their songs create this wave around you.

Or Chris De Burgh, as he's probably the best story teller around among singers.

I also like Yanni.

So, can any of you introduce the kind of riveting stuff I'm looking for?

IrasMaldinista wrote:Say, boys, can you recommend some singers, bands etc. whose music really sucks you in the atmosphere?

I mean like Anathema. Their songs create this wave around you.

Or Chris De Burgh, as he's probably the best story teller around among singers.

I also like Yanni.

So, can any of you introduce the kind of riveting stuff I'm looking for?

Listen to Ed Sheeran - The A Team

Machine Head

Well depending if you like rock music Jeff Beck is one of my favorite guitar players to listen to. Hes worth a listen

IrasMaldinista wrote:Say, boys, can you recommend some singers, bands etc. whose music really sucks you in the atmosphere?

I mean like Anathema. Their songs create this wave around you.

Or Chris De Burgh, as he's probably the best story teller around among singers.

I also like Yanni.

So, can any of you introduce the kind of riveting stuff I'm looking for?

Buddy when your depressed only "Band of Horses - The Funeral" can fit the bill and make your mood even more sombre