Spain's two horse race

And so what if it is a two horse race, in Denmark we've got a 1 horse race!

So...

Who is the Spanish Dundee United?

awalezelin wrote:

awalezelin wrote:argentina league in the last decade: focus on competitiveness

the winner:
2000–01
Apertura: Boca Juniors
Clausura: San Lorenzo

2001–02
Apertura: Racing
Clausura: River Plate

2002–03
Apertura: Independiente
Clausura: River Plate

2003–04
Apertura: Boca Juniors
Clausura: River Plate

2004–05
Apertura: Newell's Old Boys
Clausura: Vélez Sársfield

2005–06
Apertura: Boca Juniors
Clausura: Boca Juniors

2006–07
Apertura: Estudiantes
Clausura: San Lorenzo

2007–08
Apertura: Lanús
Clausura: River Plate

2008–09
Apertura: Boca Juniors
Clausura: Vélez Sársfield

2009–10
Apertura: Banfield
Clausura: Argentinos Juniors

2010–11
Apertura: Estudiantes
Clausura: Vélez Sársfield

the winner in the last decade
1. boca = 5 times
2. river = 4 times
3. velez = 3 times
2. san lorenzo & estudiantes = 2 times
3. racing & indepediente & newell's old boys & lanus & banfield & argentinos jr. = 1 time

in term of competitiveness, argentina league RULES.....

Just look at the stats over the last decade, these numbers suggest La Liga has had higher quality and is more competitive.


Since 2000 La Liga has had 4 different clubs win the league: Real Madrid(4), Barcelona(5), Valencia(2), and Deportivo(1)

In this same time frame La Liga has had 8 different clubs finish in the top 3: Real Madrid, Barcelona, Valencia, Sevilla, Villarreal, Deportivo, Sociedad, Mallorca.

Since 2000 EPL has had only 3 clubs win the league: Manchester United(7), Chelsea(3), and Arsenal(2)

In this same time frame EPL has had 7 clubs finish in the top 3: Man United, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool, Newcastle, Man City and Leeds United.

Since 2000 La Liga teams have won 5 Champions League titles: Real Madrid(2) and Barcelona(3)

Since 2000 EPL teams have won only 2 Champions League titles: Man United(1) and Liverpool(1)

Since 2000 La Liga teams have won 4 UEFA Cup/Europa League titles: Sevilla(2), Valencia(1), Atletico(1)

Since 2000 EPL teams have won only 1 UEFA Cup/Europa League titles: Liverpool(1)

Why are you going back a decade ago though? Football has clearly changed alot since then.

Unless you look head to head when the teams play each other than how else can you judge it? You can't tell until the teams actually play each other really.

I wont get into the league vs league quality debate , but whoever believes la liga is just as competitive as the PL needs their heads checked .

Odds from betfair.com for the next season

Man Utd 7/4
Chelsea 5/2
Man City 7/2
Arsenal 15/2
Liverpool 10
Tottenham 50
Everton 300
Aston Villa 300
Sunderland 2500

Barcelona 8/15
Real Madrid 6/4
Valencia 50
Villarreal 66
Sevilla 66
Atletico Madrid 80
Malaga 250
Athletic Bilbao 250
Espanyol 500

people can claim epl is more competitive than la liga

to me, as long as the football results frequently happen like below
real 4 spurs 0
barca 3 mu 1
atletico madrid 2 fulham 1
sevilla 4 boro 0
barca 4 arsenal 1

it is ok to me

Awalezelin, you are only pointing out certain matches.

How about Liverpools absolute shit storm against madrid?

Or Arsenals last CL clashes with: Madrid, Villareal, Sevilla

Artemis wrote:Awalezelin, you are only pointing out certain matches.

How about Liverpools absolute shit storm against madrid?

Or Arsenals last CL clashes with: Madrid, Villareal, Sevilla

And that makes La Liga non competitive?

Artemis wrote:Awalezelin, you are only pointing out certain matches.

How about Liverpools absolute shit storm against madrid?

Or Arsenals last CL clashes with: Madrid, Villareal, Sevilla

show me the result & compare with mine

which one show superiority

Does it really matter? This topic is so tiresome, it actually has gotten annoying. If you wanna watch a league for its "competitiveness", fix your mix. If not, then don't. Why berate a league for something that occurs in most top leagues i.e the cream of the crop would always win the most games. When it comes to result disparity then the EPL, Serie A, Ligue 1 and Bundesliga are very high but at the end, it's the usual suspects winning, you know, the favourites.

In fact, we all know which teams are either gonna win it or be in the top 4 without even a single ball being kicked. So much for competitiveness...

That is not true. Napoli and Sampdoria.

Napoli by 2004 were bankrupt and had €70M debt. They were in Serie C1.

Fast forward to last season, look what they accomplished.

Sampdoria were a Serie B club early into the 21st century and they finished in 2009/2010 with a Champion's League spot.

That is competitiveness at its best.

awalezelin wrote:

awalezelin wrote:

awalezelin wrote:argentina league in the last decade: focus on competitiveness

the winner:
2000–01
Apertura: Boca Juniors
Clausura: San Lorenzo

2001–02
Apertura: Racing
Clausura: River Plate

2002–03
Apertura: Independiente
Clausura: River Plate

2003–04
Apertura: Boca Juniors
Clausura: River Plate

2004–05
Apertura: Newell's Old Boys
Clausura: Vélez Sársfield

2005–06
Apertura: Boca Juniors
Clausura: Boca Juniors

2006–07
Apertura: Estudiantes
Clausura: San Lorenzo

2007–08
Apertura: Lanús
Clausura: River Plate

2008–09
Apertura: Boca Juniors
Clausura: Vélez Sársfield

2009–10
Apertura: Banfield
Clausura: Argentinos Juniors

2010–11
Apertura: Estudiantes
Clausura: Vélez Sársfield

the winner in the last decade
1. boca = 5 times
2. river = 4 times
3. velez = 3 times
2. san lorenzo & estudiantes = 2 times
3. racing & indepediente & newell's old boys & lanus & banfield & argentinos jr. = 1 time

i said it again

in term of competitive, argentina league RULES...................

Deportivo
Osasuna
Malaga
Real Betis

These teams have seen their own ups and downs within the last decade.

awalezelin wrote:
i said it again

in term of competitive, argentina league RULES...................

Ahem Mexico *cough*.

2001
Clausura:Santos
Arpetura:Pachuca

2002
Clausura:America
Arpetura:Toluca

2003
Clausura:Monterrey
Arpetura:Pachuca

2004
Clausura:Pumas
Arpetura:Pumas

2005
Clausura:America
Arpetura:Toluca

2006
Clausura:Pachuca
Arpetura:Chivas

2007
Clausura:Pachuca
Arpetura:Atlante

2008
Clausura:Santos
Arpetura:Toluca

2009
Clausura:Pumas
Arpetura:Monterrey

2010
Clausura:Toluca
Arpetura:Monterrey

2011
Clausura:Pumas

Lord Hispano wrote:

awalezelin wrote:
i said it again

in term of competitive, argentina league RULES...................

Ahem Mexico *cough*.

ok.....

argentina & mexico league RULES.................

Lord Hispano wrote:

awalezelin wrote:
i said it again

in term of competitive, argentina league RULES...................

Ahem Mexico *cough*.

ok.....

argentina & mexico league RULES.................

JuvenelCuore wrote:That is not true. Napoli and Sampdoria.

Napoli by 2004 were bankrupt and had €70M debt. They were in Serie C1.

Fast forward to last season, look what they accomplished.

Sampdoria were a Serie B club early into the 21st century and they finished in 2009/2010 with a Champion's League spot.

That is competitiveness at its best.

sevilla and villarreal both got promoted in 2001, in 2006 sevilla won the uefa cup and villarreal were one missed penalty away from a cl final...

che wrote:

JuvenelCuore wrote:That is not true. Napoli and Sampdoria.

Napoli by 2004 were bankrupt and had €70M debt. They were in Serie C1.

Fast forward to last season, look what they accomplished.

Sampdoria were a Serie B club early into the 21st century and they finished in 2009/2010 with a Champion's League spot.

That is competitiveness at its best.

sevilla and villarreal both got promoted in 2001, in 2006 sevilla won the uefa cup and villarreal were one missed penalty away from a cl final...

Good thing the CL and UEFA Cup are measures of how competitive the LEAGUE is.

yeah, it's not like they have to finish in certain positions to reach european competitions or anything

che wrote:yeah, it's not like they have to finish in certain positions to reach european competitions or anything

What does that prove ? Real Madrid (2) were like 21 points ahead of the 3rd place team, and 25 points the year before.

What does that show ? That teams can aspire to qualify for CL but come nowhere near winning the league ?

Great objectives for the new season if you are not a Barca or a RM fan.

i'm not getting into this argument again...

lol awesome thread.