Re: La Liga 2023/24

by Arquitecto Fri Mar 01, 2024 9:54 am

Man I love RedO but dude cauterised half of the forum with his ban hammer. Welcome back xcx.

by Pedram Fri Mar 01, 2024 10:05 am

RedO definitely took his job too seriously at times, kinda like how Reddit janitors mod their subreddits.

by Vibe Sat Mar 02, 2024 9:20 pm

Can Real climb out of this hole hmm

by sportsczy Sat Mar 02, 2024 10:10 pm

The issue with Real Madrid is that they have no more CBs. All injured. Genuinely shocked they didn't buy one during the winter.

also, welcome back xcx and good to see you freeza.

by halamadrid2 Sat Mar 02, 2024 10:36 pm

Esto me pone de mala hostia.
El descuento debe ser sagrado, a reloj parado.
IFAB debe entrar inmediatamente.

Pita penalti —90:29
Revisión termina —92:34
Reanuda —92:53 (MÁS DE DOS MINUTOS PERDIDOS)

Gol Bellingham en 98:41
— DENTRO de los 97+2 que debía haber concedido. pic.twitter.com/tjHvoidSMQ
— mr. mØnk (@soccermemoriess) March 2, 2024

by halamadrid2 Sat Mar 02, 2024 10:46 pm

OFFICIAL REAL MADRID STATEMENT:

An unprecedented referre decision by Gil Manzano stopped Real Madrid's win against Valencia in Mestalla.

With 2-2 on the scoreboard and in the last play of the match, Brahim crossed and Bellingham made it 2-3.

But the referee annulled… pic.twitter.com/frcz6jgvh1
— Madrid Zone (@theMadridZone) March 2, 2024

It'll be a miracle if we win this league. We've declared war with the referees and Tebas.

by FennecFox7 Sat Mar 02, 2024 10:51 pm

the xcx wrote:
halamadrid2 wrote:I hope someone buys Nico Williams. He deserves a better career than his brothers

I agree

Welcome back my brotha 🫡

Can we all agree now that the referees just suck in la liga? Has this ever happened in the PL or Ligue 1 or serie A? He just wanted all the attention for himself. Full stop.

by sportsczy Sat Mar 02, 2024 10:51 pm

Real Madrid gets good and bad calls against them like anyone else. Stop crying.

by FennecFox7 Sat Mar 02, 2024 10:54 pm

I hate the standard of refereeing in La Liga. It’s not just this instance. In every game, referees let genuinely dirty and illegal play happen either with no card or no whistle. It’s not physical play either.

by halamadrid2 Sat Mar 02, 2024 10:56 pm

I need Myesyats to grace us with his wisdom. Whats your opinion on what just happened?

by Pedram Sat Mar 02, 2024 11:00 pm

Hope Barca fans can shut the fuck up about referees favoring us now, what a joke rofl

by halamadrid2 Sat Mar 02, 2024 11:20 pm

BREAKING: Gil Manzano says he sent Jude Bellingham off because he said "It's a f*cking goal". @relevo

DISGRACE! pic.twitter.com/RMin0ObYOp
— Madrid Zone (@theMadridZone) March 2, 2024

No freaking way rofl

this is getting funnier by the minute

by The Madrid One Sat Mar 02, 2024 11:27 pm

by Arquitecto Sat Mar 02, 2024 11:29 pm

farfan wrote:
Myesyats wrote:There has always been a systemic favoritism toward RM in on-field decisions, much harder with VAR because everyone can see the replays and they release audio from the room.

This stat provides insight how field refs tend to allow more goals for RM even if they are obviously invalid (it was evident pre-VAR too btw). That is not to say that there is corruption, bias does not necessarily mean corruption - it could just as easily be subconscious favoritism. Also, the stat would be less credible if RM scored more goals on average but I dont think they do and actually this season even penniless Barca has scored more thus far with plenty of goals disallowed without VAR intervention. They definitely do not score 2-3x more than their rivals.

The capital club is always (or almost always) the sweetheart, you can see it in other countries too.

Obviously we would also need to see decisions where the goal was incorrectly disallowed and then amended by VAR to make a more conclusive assessment but either way a honest conversation about this will never happen because its more convenient to ignore it. If you think favoritism doesnt exist then grow up. And this is just one limb of a gargantuan living and breathing organism.

It's impossible to have an honest conversation when one group is constantly moving the goalposts. For years the biggest controversy was around VAR and its supposed bias towards Madrid. Laporta was railing against it as recently as January . But now all of a sudden we're pivoting to VAR doing its job just fine and is actually exposing referee bias towards Madrid?

And even if we entertain this argument, what exactly are these numbers telling us? Sevilla is one of the lowest scoring teams in the league and creates less than half the chances that Barça creates per game. Are they also benefiting from ref bias? Relative to the potency of their attack, they're actually getting more calls in their favor than Madrid.

It seems like Barça fans are just grasping at any semblance of evidence to keep the "refdrid" narrative going, even if it contradicts claims they were making just months ago (In this case, the claim that VAR is a broken system that only favors Madrid)

All of this leads to the same questions that every rational observer have been asking for the past 15 years: What does Madrid have to show for this alleged favoritism from the refs and league as a whole? Why are Barça fans so hellbent on undermining the integrity of a competition they've dominated for over a decade? Madrid won a measly 4 titles in 15 years and they haven't been able to defend the title a single time in that period During that same time they've won 5 CLs and even managed to defend the title twice.

According to Barça media and fans, even that modest and frankly embarrassing "success" should have an asterisk next to it. Apparently, Madrid had no business winning La Liga in 2012 despite everything pointing to them being the best team in Europe. The Madrid team that won 3 consecutive Champions Leagues should've won 0 league titles, because Barça were supposedly robbed in 2017. The 2022 title (this is the year Barça media wouldn't shut up about VARdrid) isn't free from these accusations either because even the broke ass post-Messi Barça felt entitled to wrestling a league title away from a much superior team that went on to win the Champions League

This post needs more attention.

Farfan often does this where he randomly drops into a thread and absolutely dispels club fan nonsense whilst being a Lyon supporter (thereby no particular bias)

by sportsczy Sat Mar 02, 2024 11:35 pm

It's no better in any other league. I think referees are required to have no higher an IQ than a hamster.

by Cyborg Sun Mar 03, 2024 1:43 am

These refs are so robotic these days

Soon they'll have the VAR ending the game

by Turok_TTZ Sun Mar 03, 2024 4:31 am

These refs man I swear.

Like I said in a previous post. Some days they favor us with a BS call. Other days like today they screw us over with a BS call.

Seems the standards of refereeing has gone down the toilet. Who is to blame? I don't believe its exclusive to La Liga.

by Vibe Sun Mar 03, 2024 8:14 am

Once when I played PES I had a last minute penalty for the win and as the keeper went the wrong way and the ball was about to go in, the ref called time.

First time I see this in real life Laughing

by halamadrid2 Sun Mar 03, 2024 8:19 am

First time for Carlo too

️ Carlo Ancelotti: “This has never happened to me before.” (RMTV) pic.twitter.com/jSSPX5K6eN
— Madrid Zone (@theMadridZone) March 3, 2024

Btw Nico got a red for sarcastically clapping the referee just before a Barca game :coffee:

by Myesyats Sun Mar 03, 2024 11:19 am

Honestly one of the most bizarre calls ever to occur. A mixture of bad timing, incompetence, clumsiness and indecisiveness. He already picked up the whistle seconds earlier and wanted to whistle then but hesitated, which culminated in a sort of a brainfart. There was a Valencia player beside shouting at him to whistle, which was weird too and maybe disconcerted him a little. Not the first time I see a ref (Manzano included) whistle an end to the game in an unfortunate moment, but rarely does it happen this awkwardly.

He must've been possessed by the ghost of Mateu Lahoz. I'm not surprised either, because I think Manzano is the worst ref in the league alongside Lahoz, Hernandez Hernandez and Soto Grado. Not sure how some of them are there for over a decade without getting demoted. Is there a ref deficit or something?

by futbol_bill Sun Mar 03, 2024 2:52 pm

I’ve seen some saying the ref blew the whistle before Brahim took the cross, however the replays I saw, was him blowing it when the ball was already in the air. What he did before the cross is what Myesyats said above.

I personally don’t believe there is any bias or corruption at play here, I think it is just incompetence. As Myesyats says he was being influenced by the Valencia player.

As to other leagues having similar problems, I don’t know, but you don’t really see this level of incompetence in CL or EL games.

The basic problem IMO is failure of la liga and Tebas to recognize they have a problem. They have to first stop this nonsense of issuing a red card or a fine to anyone who dares to question the controversial call.

I believe the referees have to be transparent to explain the rationale behind the controversial call, even it means admitting a mistake. I did see that was done earlier this year in EPL.

The league needs to also review these controversial calls including the referee’s explanation and issue penalties when warranted.

And finally they need to fix VAR by clearly defining rules and procedures that all, including referees, must follow.

And while I’m at it, clearly define rules for hand balls and a few other types of rules that are inconsistent in their interpretation.

by halamadrid2 Sun Mar 03, 2024 6:50 pm

Mallorca beating Girona right now. Need Bilbao to do the same in roughly an hour. Not having Nico will be a huuuuge miss.

We are all Inaki tonight

by Thimmy Sun Mar 03, 2024 7:24 pm

Mallorca

by Myesyats Sun Mar 03, 2024 8:52 pm

Pedri and FDJ injured in one half, expect Gundo to get injured later on for good measure and we're left without a midfield again Laughing

by halamadrid2 Sun Mar 03, 2024 9:40 pm

Pedri is turning into the new Dembele. He needed better advicers when he first broke out that playing so many games at such a young age within a year was never going to be sustainable.

If FDJ misses the Napoli then Napoli might actually have a chance

by halamadrid2 Sun Mar 03, 2024 10:00 pm

Bilbao v Barca game ends in a draw

Can live with that

But my God how boring was this game. It wasn't the usual Bilbao who must've felt the fatigue after the midweek game.

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