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Post by Casciavit Fri Dec 16, 2022 1:00 am

Is it true that they decide the Golden ball winner before the final? If that's the case, I think Messi's edged out Mbappe for that title. I'd rather they wait until the end of the final to make their decision though.

If they do wait until the end, then you'll have a match that will decide the golden ball, golden boot, and Ballon d'or.
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Post by Casciavit Fri Dec 16, 2022 1:13 am

I find it interesting how the best players of each decade have played 2 WC finals during their careers:

Pele: 58 & 70
Beckenbauer: 66 & 74
Maradona: 86 & 90
Ronaldo: 98 & 02
Zidane: 98 & 06
Messi: 14 & 22
Mbappe: 18 & 22

Cruyff made the finals in 1974, but pulled out for Netherlands in 1978 and Netherlands made it to the final that year as well. So he could've been on this list too. That list is a unique trend.


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Post by rincon Fri Dec 16, 2022 1:32 am

Mbappe shouldn't be Messi's competition for the golden ball if it's decided before the final imo.

Griezmann has been the best French player so far. Anyway Messi would win if defined today.

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Post by titosantill Fri Dec 16, 2022 1:47 am

El Gunner wrote:always feel the 3rd place game is such a pity party... couldn't imagine getting up for it as a player personally


It depends. If u're a top side or a side that was among the favorites to win, it's hard getting up for the third place match. But if ure a team nobody expected, and you surprised yourself as well, guys will be serious enough to at least leave with a medal. Also some teams give guys who barely got a game a chance to play
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Post by McAgger Fri Dec 16, 2022 1:59 am

sportsczy wrote:We were missing Upamecano and especially Rabiot against Morocco...  bringing in new players into a team dynamic at this stage of a WC was extremely difficult.  Well done on Deschamps to pull it off.

Assuming both Upamecano and Rabiot are back, then France will play much better and look far more cohesive.


What nonesense is this?

Konate (along with Griezmann) was the best French players on the pitch. Without him they probably concede a goal.

Upamecano was awful against England as well. Like legit bad enough that could've cost them if not for referring and Kane's penalty miss.

Konate has been the best defender on the pitch in all 3 matches he's started for France this tournament. I think Deschamps would be making a huge error dropping Konate for the final, if he does that.

Rabiot, I agree with. He's been very solid and should be starting the final.
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Post by guest_07 Fri Dec 16, 2022 7:02 am

Casciavit wrote:I find it interesting how the best players of each decade have played 2 WC finals during their careers:

Pele: 58 & 70
Beckenbauer: 66 & 74
Maradona: 86 & 90
Ronaldo: 98 & 02
Zidane: 98 & 06
Messi: 14 & 22
Mbappe: 18 & 22

Cruyff made the finals in 1974, but pulled out for Netherlands in 1978 and Netherlands made it to the final that year as well. So he could've been on this list too. That list is a unique trend.


Except Messi,
everyone of them at least
won once the WC.

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Post by El Gunner Fri Dec 16, 2022 8:02 am

titosantill wrote:
El Gunner wrote:always feel the 3rd place game is such a pity party... couldn't imagine getting up for it as a player personally


It depends. If u're a top side or a side that was among the favorites to win, it's hard getting up for the third place match. But if ure a team nobody expected, and you surprised yourself as well, guys will be serious enough to at least leave with a medal. Also some teams give guys who barely got a game a chance to play

good points
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Post by El Gunner Fri Dec 16, 2022 8:09 am

Casciavit wrote:I find it interesting how the best players of each decade have played 2 WC finals during their careers:

Pele: 58 & 70
Beckenbauer: 66 & 74
Maradona: 86 & 90
Ronaldo: 98 & 02
Zidane: 98 & 06
Messi: 14 & 22
Mbappe: 18 & 22

Cruyff made the finals in 1974, but pulled out for Netherlands in 1978 and Netherlands made it to the final that year as well. So he could've been on this list too. That list is a unique trend.

Pele won the world cup thrice, you missed 62
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Post by Casciavit Fri Dec 16, 2022 8:14 am

El Gunner wrote:
Casciavit wrote:I find it interesting how the best players of each decade have played 2 WC finals during their careers:

Pele: 58 & 70
Beckenbauer: 66 & 74
Maradona: 86 & 90
Ronaldo: 98 & 02
Zidane: 98 & 06
Messi: 14 & 22
Mbappe: 18 & 22

Cruyff made the finals in 1974, but pulled out for Netherlands in 1978 and Netherlands made it to the final that year as well. So he could've been on this list too. That list is a unique trend.

Pele won the world cup thrice, you missed 62


He didn’t play that final. He got injured in the second game of the group stage.
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Post by Casciavit Fri Dec 16, 2022 8:15 am

guest_07 wrote:
Casciavit wrote:I find it interesting how the best players of each decade have played 2 WC finals during their careers:

Pele: 58 & 70
Beckenbauer: 66 & 74
Maradona: 86 & 90
Ronaldo: 98 & 02
Zidane: 98 & 06
Messi: 14 & 22
Mbappe: 18 & 22

Cruyff made the finals in 1974, but pulled out for Netherlands in 1978 and Netherlands made it to the final that year as well. So he could've been on this list too. That list is a unique trend.


Except Messi,
everyone of them at least
won once the WC.


Yes so either Mbappe joins Pele in going 2/2 in his first two attempts or he and Messi join everyone else on that list in having 1W and 1L.
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Post by guest_07 Fri Dec 16, 2022 8:40 am

Casciavit wrote:
guest_07 wrote:
Casciavit wrote:I find it interesting how the best players of each decade have played 2 WC finals during their careers:

Pele: 58 & 70
Beckenbauer: 66 & 74
Maradona: 86 & 90
Ronaldo: 98 & 02
Zidane: 98 & 06
Messi: 14 & 22
Mbappe: 18 & 22

Cruyff made the finals in 1974, but pulled out for Netherlands in 1978 and Netherlands made it to the final that year as well. So he could've been on this list too. That list is a unique trend.


Except Messi,
everyone of them at least
won once the WC.


Yes so either Mbappe joins Pele in going 2/2 in his first two attempts or he and Messi join everyone else on that list in having 1W and 1L.


Either Messi join them.
Or the sad news, he has a potential
to become the 1st player lost both finals.

Wallahu a'lam.

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Post by Casciavit Fri Dec 16, 2022 9:40 pm

This is why you should never take stats at face value. Griezmann has the most chances created this tournament, and I was like wow didn't think he had the playmaker gene in him.

Then I see this:

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They included corners and his pass to Tchouameni LOOOOOOOL.
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Post by neuro11 Sat Dec 17, 2022 4:53 am

Casciavit wrote:This is why you should never take stats at face value. Griezmann has the most chances created this tournament, and I was like wow didn't think he had the playmaker gene in him.

Then I see this:

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They included corners and his pass to Tchouameni LOOOOOOOL.


So chances created is another sensor generated stupid numbers? I thought it is calculated with a bit of intelligence

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Post by Winter is Coming Sat Dec 17, 2022 8:49 pm

France are they clear winners here. They have more physicality, athleticism and pace on their team. The team also isn't depedent on one player. Mbappe has been a bit poor these last two games in the WC, yet they reached the final, Messi has been playing amazing which has led them there. 8 of 11 goals for Argentina have come from Messi direct contribution, he has an off game, France shut him down or a mixture of both and Argentina are in trouble.
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Post by BarcaLearning Sun Dec 18, 2022 3:02 am

What with Benz n Lucas Hernanfez not attending the final? The French squad are a weird bunch at times, together with Macron? Razz
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Post by neuro11 Sun Dec 18, 2022 1:13 pm

Winter is Coming wrote:France are they clear winners here. They have more physicality, athleticism and pace on their team. The team also isn't depedent on one player. Mbappe has been a bit poor these last two games in the WC, yet they reached the final, Messi has been playing amazing which has led them there. 8 of 11 goals for Argentina have come from Messi direct contribution, he has an off game, France shut him down or a mixture of both and Argentina are in trouble.


How can a team reach WC final depending on only one player? Your comment is unjust to others who delivered superbly to help Messi get here. Molina and Alvarez's goals now look so simple and are easily ignored. Even though in the past the supporting casts missed sitters. You remove the contributions of Martinez (two of them), Alvarez, Molina and a few others, do Argentina go past the knockout stages? Messi has three assists because through were converted. This team is superbly low in profile but highly efficient. That's one thing they are heavily dependent on Messi. They are genuinely outperforming themselves due to the influence of Messi. Argentina is not dependent on one man but they are surely playing for one man and I consider that as a strength, not as a weakness. You may shut Messi but I doubt you can't shut his influence.

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Post by BarrileteCosmico Sun Dec 18, 2022 1:32 pm

It's today bounce bounce bounce

Had to medicate to sleep through the night

May the best team win and we have a match with no ref drama
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Post by CBarca Sun Dec 18, 2022 1:33 pm

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Post by BarrileteCosmico Sun Dec 18, 2022 1:52 pm

Looks like we are going 433 with Di Maria rather than a back 5. Also Tagliafico won out over "the egg" Acuña. Other than that as expected.

For France all sick players made it
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Post by El Gunner Sun Dec 18, 2022 1:57 pm

neuro11 wrote:
Winter is Coming wrote:France are they clear winners here. They have more physicality, athleticism and pace on their team. The team also isn't depedent on one player. Mbappe has been a bit poor these last two games in the WC, yet they reached the final, Messi has been playing amazing which has led them there. 8 of 11 goals for Argentina have come from Messi direct contribution, he has an off game, France shut him down or a mixture of both and Argentina are in trouble.


How can a team reach WC final depending on only one player? Your comment is unjust to others who delivered superbly to help Messi get here. Molina and Alvarez's goals now look so simple and are easily ignored. Even though in the past the supporting casts missed sitters. You remove the contributions of Martinez (two of them), Alvarez, Molina and a few others, do Argentina go past the knockout stages? Messi has three assists because through were converted. This team is superbly low in profile but highly efficient. That's one thing they are heavily dependent on Messi. They are genuinely outperforming themselves due to the influence of Messi. Argentina is not dependent on one man but they are surely playing for one man and I consider that as a strength, not as a weakness. You may shut Messi but I doubt you can't shut his influence.

post of the tournament... gunna frame this in +3 hours when Messi hoists that golden dick trophy
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Post by Casciavit Sun Dec 18, 2022 2:36 pm

Don't think I've anticipated a match this much since the 2007 CL final lmao
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Post by Robespierre Sun Dec 18, 2022 2:39 pm

1998 France - Brazil . I supported Brazil. LOST
2002 Brazil - Germany. I supported Brazil. WON
2006 Italy - France. I supported Italy. WON
2010 Spain - Netherlands. I supported Netherlands. LOST
2014 Germany - Argentina. I supported Argentina. LOST
2018 France - Croatia. I supported Croatia. LOST

4 on 6 losses.

And now, in 2022 France - Argentina . I support Argentina .....

Congrats Farfan

Nice to see again GL though
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Post by rincon Sun Dec 18, 2022 2:44 pm

It's the final and Argentina are still getting underestimated. This whole cycle they have been ubraten for almost a record number of matches. Won the Copa America and are now in the WC final.

Still some talk like they are there by chance.

France has the most talented team. It's obvious, everyone can see that. BUT they have not been the team playing best in the tournament, Argentina has been better. France wins by the weight of their talent, not because of particularly great team play. England pushed them and got very close. Let's if Argentina can overcome that barrier.
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Post by BarcaLearning Sun Dec 18, 2022 3:00 pm

Di Maria in, put in Real Madrid time defensive shift to help shut Mbappe as well as bomb forward to help Messi create. COME ON MESSI~ DI MARIA, ARG~
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