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Post by iftikhar on Wed Aug 19, 2020 10:38 am

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Our season will kick-off on August 29 with the Community Shield game against Arsenal at Wembly. The PL schedule will start on September 12 with the opponent still undecided.

In total we will play a minimum of 47 games with one game in every 5.5 days.
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Post by iftikhar on Fri Aug 21, 2020 1:09 pm

Friendlies against Stuttgart and Salzburg.

Also, where is Divock Origi!!!
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Post by Helmer on Fri Aug 21, 2020 2:51 pm

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copied the image from some guy on twitter. Not the best representation of our squad in terms of positions but still gives more or less a picture about whether we are ok without signing anyone as of now!

Considering Grujic will most certainly leave, I definitely see some space for Thiago in our midfield. He does not suit our current style perfectly but I guess Liverpool and he, if both adapt to each other a bit; it would provide us wonders in the league.

I would also put Milner more as a Trent back up for now.

Ojo and Woodburn unfortunately have no place in the squad. Awoniyi also not eligible to play.

Brewster, in my opinion should stay with the club unless he gets a chance to play in EPL with some other team while being on loan.

I am quite happy that Shaq will most likely stay at the club. Because of that our front three depth suddenly looks better. All we need is Shaq to stay fit throughout the season. Hopefully Origi will play only through middle and not in place of Mane. He gets wasted there completely.

And quite excited for Jones and Elliot Proud

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Post by El Gunner on Fri Aug 21, 2020 3:18 pm

and how exactly does Thiago not suit your style?
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Post by Nishankly on Mon Aug 24, 2020 1:05 am

@El Gunner wrote:and how exactly does Thiago not suit your style?


We score 100 goals a season without any midfield contribution.

If he comes it'll work but having two DMs especially with Fab will need tweaking. Thiago is used to being at center of things at midfield, we don't play like that. He's a luxury signing or he will replace Gini and I doubt both would happen and that's fine.

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The first eleven is 25 points better than the rest of the league. Klopp wants to get a plan B, so be it but I am just going to agree to what Klopp decides rather than crying my eyes out on a 30 million signing with a big name. We are Klopp's Liverpool FC with 97 and 99 points and back to back CL finals in the last two years, not some random clinging hoping mashallah scrub club.


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Post by Nishankly on Mon Aug 24, 2020 1:06 am

Need a CB. I don't see Klopp signing any attacker unless Shaqiri leaves.
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Post by El Gunner on Mon Aug 24, 2020 1:47 am

Which two DMs? Thiago is not a DM now is he?

You guys play a flat midfield three with Fabinho usually sitting in the middle as a sort of single pivot. Thiago could easily slot in next to him and Henderson.
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Post by Nishankly on Mon Aug 24, 2020 2:04 am

We don't play through the midfield, we play over it. Thiago coming in would mean tweaking the system, it should on paper be for the better but again as I said, Klopp decides whether the player is worth it or not.
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Post by El Gunner on Mon Aug 24, 2020 2:15 am

oh i get what you mean now, never saw it that way.

In that case, Thiago, join the Arteta Project Molenation :whistle:
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Post by Helmer on Mon Aug 24, 2020 8:59 pm

@El Gunner wrote:and how exactly does Thiago not suit your style?

as Nish already pointed it out, we do not use our midfielders to directly build attacks or thread passes to one of the front three. A midfielders job at Liverpool is more like 1. controlling spaces to make sure that they cut off opposition passing lines 2. at the same time trying to position themselves to win the ball back 3. provide a passing option to a teammate when under pressure 4. making late runs in the box or even creating spaces for Salah/Mane/Firmino 5. and of course provide cover to FBs

Well the interesting thing is I did see some change towards the end of the last season where Klopp tried to use midfielders to build attacks and try to provide more control through midfielder. Usually I have rarely seen midfielders being used to control the game. So Thiago will be very interesting move and in case it if really goes through, cant wait to see how Klopp uses him effectively !

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Post by Nishankly on Tue Sep 01, 2020 11:54 am

We tried the 4-2-3-1 in the Arsenal game but really can't say since Arsenal was defending most of the second half so Fabinho barely got challenged at CB

Klopp was expected to experiment in that type of game but a midfielder needs to go if Thiago comes in as an automatic starter. Keita finally hitting form, Henderson returning. Fabinho nailed down starter. Ox, Milner and Gini?

Too big a decision for Klopp, I expect him to wait it out for 6 months.
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Post by Helmer on Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:21 pm

well, when Werner was getting linked to Liverpool regularly, I had read some article that Liverpool's attack was getting more and more blunt over the period of past two seasons. So I genuinely think that 4-2-3-1 might be a good option to balance the team in terms of attack and defence, especially against lower teams. We can stick to our 4-3-3 against top 6 teams.

Regarding game time for everyone, tell everyone that on average every player will get only 60 minutes per game in this season. Because I really think the amount of games the players play might be very troublesome in terms of injuries in the coming season, considering the intensity at which we play.

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Post by Nishankly on Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:06 pm

Is it?

Premier League: Goals For, Goals Against, Total goals in All competitions in Klopp's four full seasons.

16-17 GF 78 A 42 Total Goals 92
17-18 GF 84 A 38 Total Goals 135 (47 goals in CL with two 7-0 victories)
18-19 GF 89 A 22 Total Goals 115
19-20 GF 85 A 33 (12 goals conceded in last 7 games post Covid) Total Goals 117 goals

We were on course to maintain the same level if Covid or Adrian didn't happen. Seems quite constant to me, Klopp is improving defense while improving the attack, the goals are getting more distributed than just the front 3 winning games.

Probably deeper down, yeah its getting blunt but I don't count post COVID form imo. Juventus lost 7 out of their 12 games, they should get relegated based on it next season.
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Post by Helmer on Tue Sep 01, 2020 6:09 pm

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tried to find that image or explanation but not able to find it. Interestingly the basic stats from premier league website show that almost everything is constant. Just that we are crossing a bit more compared to the last season.


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Post by Nishankly on Tue Sep 01, 2020 9:33 pm

@Helmer wrote:
Season_18_19:
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tried to find that image or explanation but not able to find it. Interestingly the basic stats from premier league website show that almost everything is constant. Just that we are crossing a bit more compared to the last season.



Why is why I made that post, for me we might have peaked but our peak means 120 goals a season. We have started getting winners from midfield unlike those Salah Mane days whens 45% came from those two.

Whether we'll continue its on Klopp but I do not agree with those fans who jump the gun and look at Chelsea signings to put us down, I mean come on. We won the league by a mile, you have to be dumb to tell us we'll fight for the top 4 imo

But Klopp fails in his fifth year right with every club. Lmao, gonna be interesting. I am in for the ride, can't care less about the signings.
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Post by El Gunner on Tue Sep 01, 2020 9:42 pm

^^you'll be stuck in a top 4 battle this season though, especially if Chelsea, Arsenal and Man Utd actually mean business again.

It'll be much tighter this season.
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Post by Helmer on Tue Sep 01, 2020 9:47 pm

@Nishankly wrote:
@Helmer wrote:
Season_18_19:
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Season_19_20:
LFC Season 2020-21 Season11

tried to find that image or explanation but not able to find it. Interestingly the basic stats from premier league website show that almost everything is constant. Just that we are crossing a bit more compared to the last season.



Why is why I made that post, for me we might have peaked but our peak means 120 goals a season. We have started getting winners from midfield unlike those Salah Mane days whens 45% came from those two.

Whether we'll continue its on Klopp but I do not agree with those fans who jump the gun and look at Chelsea signings to put us down, I mean come on. We won the league by a mile, you have to be dumb to tell us we'll fight for the top 4 imo

But Klopp fails in his fifth year right with every club. Lmao, gonna be interesting. I am in for the ride, can't care less about the signings.

yeah you are right there are definitely many dumb people out here Laughing

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Post by Helmer on Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:31 pm

^^^ compared to his Dortmund/Mainz days, there are differences like age group of players, the style of football being played under Klopp (more and more possession based during last season), having injury prone players in the starting XI, squad depth in terms of quality. I think we might not win the title this season but we will definitely challenge once again.

On the other side, if you can remember my posts, I desperately wanted someone with more quality - someone like Werner to challenge/rest front three. Even Havertz would have been nice although I am not so sure about Havertz coming immediately good in PL, he might take more time to adapt imo. I hope Shaqiri stays fit this season, he actually has something different to offer also and has enough quality to start games and regularly rest one of the front three. Let's help Taki carries these pre-season flashes and convert into top form for the rest of the season.

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Post by Nishankly on Wed Sep 02, 2020 1:24 am

@El Gunner wrote:^^you'll be stuck in a top 4 battle this season though, especially if Chelsea, Arsenal and Man Utd actually mean business again.

It'll be much tighter this season.


I love how you put forward an immature ejaculation EG, one of your many likable posts that count for shit in the long run.
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Post by Nishankly on Wed Sep 02, 2020 1:27 am

Also Arsenal in a top 4 battle lmao, beating Neco in pre season makes you think you can compete for a year, damn even though Liverpool went nearly into administration in 2011, we were never as stupid as Arsenal fans. I really need your device of optimism, to help myself

Nothing new, 72m Pepe was supposed to get them automatic Q for the CL last year.
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Post by Nishankly on Wed Sep 02, 2020 1:42 am

My questions would be how do you see City covering 20 points with Ake and Ferran Torres?

And us being in battle top 4 with a desolate scrub like Arsenal 33 points below us?? You signed 1 player?
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Post by El Gunner on Wed Sep 02, 2020 2:12 am

i see it as a combination of Liverpool falling off and the other big teams improving, just wait and see :coffee:
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Post by Nishankly on Wed Sep 02, 2020 2:19 am

@El Gunner wrote:i see it as a combination of Liverpool falling off and the other big teams improving, just wait and see :coffee:


Obviously, an insanely pussy position to take, I hope Liverpool lose 33 points next season to challenge top 4 alongside you.

I think it's an Arsenal thing, they still think 1.23 tweaks will give them something enough to compete. For us Liverpool fans, It's the same as signing Downing, They haven't suffered an ounce of hurt that we have in the past 1.5 decades, would love to see them go into administration before they tell us Arsenal "suffered" and "It's hard to be an Arsenal fan", fuck off, you know nothing you pussies.
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Post by El Gunner on Wed Sep 02, 2020 2:48 am

if you browse through the history of the league, no team with more or less the same squad with no significant upgrades/additions has ever maintained the same level of intensive play for 3 straight seasons.
Ferguson's United of the late 00s added Tevez and Berbatov in consecutive seasons to help them maintain that level

this is exactly the reason why so many fans (not only Arsenal fans) see Liverpool falling off :coffee:
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Post by Duronto-Roddur on Thu Sep 03, 2020 7:35 pm

Salute to @Nishankly @Helmer for keeping the Kop End (of this forum) alive.

Yes this season will be tighter but I don't see why we shouldn't retain the title.

I think Klopp relied on the speed Mane/Salah in the beginning and evolved to depending on precision of TAA/Robertson and added goals from midfield as his latest modification. Moving on, I think he is consciously trying to add some penetration/creativity from midfield to gain/maintain edge.

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