Re: WC 2018 | Round of 16 | France vs Argentina

by The Demon of Carthage Sat Jun 30, 2018 5:00 pm

My god what an incompetent manager Deschamps is! A half decent one would've steamrolled this pathetic Argentina team with insane ease.

The same can also be applied to Argentina. I chose them as the dark horse of this competition because I knew they could cause an upset if they were coached properly.

This game has just exposed Deschamps and Sampaoli for the frauds they really are.

by BarcaLearning Sat Jun 30, 2018 5:01 pm

If u watched the game, Aregntina worst after Aguero on though...

France still is a bit strange, the feeling is they still could have done better than 4-3 vs this Argentina team... but they are on and off, like if they can play at their best they are a very strong team, but like during this game, there were periods when they were so average and others they just explode. Since obviously they are not just Mbappe, or Pogba. Maybe they are too conservative...

by halamadrid2 Sat Jun 30, 2018 5:02 pm

Both these teams are so so so poor

by Mr Nick09 Sat Jun 30, 2018 5:03 pm

I just witnessed France celebrating like they won the world cup, they will be out next round. you can save this.

by Hapless_Hans Sat Jun 30, 2018 5:04 pm

Cruijf wrote:Credit to Argentina for making this game a lot closer than it should've been. France is just way better, I don't think Argentina could've won no matter how Samp set up.

What an absolutelyy ridiculous thing to say. What absolute load of crap Laughing

by Cruijf Sat Jun 30, 2018 5:05 pm

France's problem is very simple. The second they start to take control of a game they sit back try to slow the game down. Since they're not an elite defensive team ceding control inevitably leads to the opposition getting back into the game.

It's truly awful coaching. They have the best team in the world on paper by a distance but they're wasting it's potential.

by Cruijf Sat Jun 30, 2018 5:06 pm

Hapless_Hans wrote:
Cruijf wrote:Credit to Argentina for making this game a lot closer than it should've been. France is just way better, I don't think Argentina could've won no matter how Samp set up.

What an absolutelyy ridiculous thing to say. What absolute load of crap

What about it hmm

by Winter is Coming Sat Jun 30, 2018 5:07 pm

Also Rojo taken out for Fazio at HT rofl

by Doc Sat Jun 30, 2018 5:12 pm

Hapless_Hans wrote:
Cruijf wrote:Credit to Argentina for making this game a lot closer than it should've been. France is just way better, I don't think Argentina could've won no matter how Samp set up.

What an absolutely ridiculous thing to say. What absolute load of crap

I assume you think Argentina could have won it with a different manager?!

by terrance511 Sat Jun 30, 2018 5:14 pm

france got all the creative talent and they chose to play conservative def and counter with semi wasted player.

no doubt an safer way to go further,but that lack of attacking experience will eat them up when they face solid def team.

script all written for ronaldo and portugal to end this farce.

by Mr Nick09 Sat Jun 30, 2018 5:16 pm

france have 0 creative talents lol

by CBarca Sat Jun 30, 2018 5:17 pm

^he's not wrong tbh

France is set up the way they should be playing this tournament

by VanDeezNuts Sat Jun 30, 2018 5:18 pm

So glad Argentina are out. Otamendi is the literal scum of the earth, and I'd never wish an injury on another player, but I would be very happy if he never played again.

by Hapless_Hans Sat Jun 30, 2018 5:18 pm

Doc wrote:
Hapless_Hans wrote:
Cruijf wrote:Credit to Argentina for making this game a lot closer than it should've been. France is just way better, I don't think Argentina could've won no matter how Samp set up.

What an absolutely ridiculous thing to say. What absolute load of crap

I assume you think Argentina could have won it with a different manager?!

I think it's ridiculous to say that Argentina could not have possibly won this game no matter how they set up, and that we should credit Sampaoli for "making it close".
That's a s stupid a thing as I've ever heard tbh.

by Mr Nick09 Sat Jun 30, 2018 5:18 pm

https://twitter.com/AndreOstgaard/status/1013081271516516352

by RealGunner Sat Jun 30, 2018 5:19 pm

Doc wrote:
Hapless_Hans wrote:
Cruijf wrote:Credit to Argentina for making this game a lot closer than it should've been. France is just way better, I don't think Argentina could've won no matter how Samp set up.

What an absolutely ridiculous thing to say. What absolute load of crap

I assume you think Argentina could have won it with a different manager?!

Yup

Ricardo Gareca instead of Sampaoli and Argentina would be much better.

Match was lost the moment Messi was played upfront lmao

by Winter is Coming Sat Jun 30, 2018 5:20 pm

Hapless_Hans wrote:
Doc wrote:
Hapless_Hans wrote:

What an absolutely ridiculous thing to say. What absolute load of crap

I assume you think Argentina could have won it with a different manager?!

I think it's ridiculous to say that Argentina could not have possibly won this game no matter how they set up, and that we should credit Sampaoli for "making it close".
That's a s stupid a thing as I've ever heard tbh.

There GK deserves blame to both Mbappe goals were savable and the PK he jumped even before Griez run up.

by CBarca Sat Jun 30, 2018 5:23 pm

1) never blame a keeper for a penalty unless it's hit right at him and he fumbles it in
2) that second Mbappe goal is not his fault at all

Agreed with the first Mbappe goal though

Sampaoli deserves the lions share of the blame

by Doc Sat Jun 30, 2018 5:25 pm

vanDEEZ wrote:So glad Argentina are out. Otamendi is the literal scum of the earth, and I'd never wish an injury on another player, but I would be very happy if he never played again.

Me too. Now I need to France to lose in the QF to read Sports' excuses.

by CBarca Sat Jun 30, 2018 5:26 pm

Glad to see Doc and I are on the same page re: France

by zigra Sat Jun 30, 2018 5:28 pm

Hapless_Hans wrote:
Doc wrote:
Hapless_Hans wrote:

What an absolutely ridiculous thing to say. What absolute load of crap

I assume you think Argentina could have won it with a different manager?!

I think it's ridiculous to say that Argentina could not have possibly won this game no matter how they set up, and that we should credit Sampaoli for "making it close".
That's a s stupid a thing as I've ever heard tbh.

100% this

The only reason this game was somewhat close was because di Maria scored a worldie out of nowhere and because of a goal that was pure luck.

Even so it wasn't even that close.

by Cruijf Sat Jun 30, 2018 5:39 pm

Hapless_Hans wrote:
Doc wrote:
Hapless_Hans wrote:

What an absolutely ridiculous thing to say. What absolute load of crap

I assume you think Argentina could have won it with a different manager?!

I think it's ridiculous to say that Argentina could not have possibly won this game no matter how they set up, and that we should credit Sampaoli for "making it close".
That's a s stupid a thing as I've ever heard tbh.

I didn't say credit to Sampaoli, I said credit to Argentina. Big difference.

The 4-3 scoreline is very deceptive tbh, it makes it look like had Argentina just improved by a little bit they would've been able to snatch it. And yeah they would've improved significantly if Sampaoli wasn't a moron. Benching Perez, playing with a CF, etc. all would have improved Argentina.

The problem is that the notion that a little improvement would have been enough is nonsense. As zigra said the only reason the game was close was because 2 once in a lifetime goals (one brilliant one lucky) and a header after the game was already won.

So yeah, there is no other way Argentina could have set up that would end with them winning.

Another coach with another squad and a coherent style of play that the team understood, with enough preparation? Maybe, but even then that's only because Deschamps is awful. With the cards Argentina had there was nothing else they could have done which would have ended with them winning.

And the reason I say credit to Argentina even if most of it was luck was because a lot of the players did show impressive resolve and overall it was definitely their best performance of the tournament. So yes the players deserve credit even if Samp doesn't.

by rincon Sat Jun 30, 2018 5:40 pm

Checking in from Russia. Brazilians singing and jumping on tables everytime France scores. Beautiful Proud

by breva Sat Jun 30, 2018 5:41 pm

This game wasn't as close as the score would imply. It's unusual for a team to succeed when a player carries out a coup d'etat and takes over management. They left the best no. 9 at home, they didn't play Dybala, and after watching Messi today, I think Dybala would have had more success.

by Cruijf Sat Jun 30, 2018 5:44 pm

In what world is Icardi better than Aguero, Higuain, and Dybala? rofl

by BarrileteCosmico Sat Jun 30, 2018 5:46 pm

congrats to France for a deserved win

F*** Sampaoli for being incompetent

F*** our players for deciding to pick a fight on the 92nd minute rather than try to equalize

F*** AFA for forcing Martino out (I'm sure we would've at least played like a team rather than 11 individualities under him and finished 1st in the group)

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