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here is 3 facts for you. the first fact is America has done more for you and your family than your family has done for America. 2nd fact. the british army have be defending its own people as well as other people for longer than America has been a country so don't tell me you provide us with anything. and the 3rd fact is you are happy for you and your family suffer racist abuse for a paycheck. now fook off talking about how you defend my country because you cant even defend your own family from racist abuse you always moan about. let me tell you something buddy. no amout of money could bribe me to let my family suffer racist abuse.Betty La Fea wrote:Unique wrote:you are starting to insult me and insult my country so now is the time to quit
So you can insult me, and my family, with falsehoods about them giving us stuff but its an insult when I use an article(from your country I might add), that states the fact that our tax dollars go to bail out the fact your country won't spend the necessary on defense?
Its a fact without my, and many other of the American middle class who pay taxes on defense, you wouldnt have the healthcare you choose to look down on Africans in your nation for using. We subsidize it
I paid over ~35k$(£27k) in taxes last year, while also having to provide for the healthcare and general wellbeing of family not only in America, but in Japan. Why should YOU get healthcare off the fruits of MY labor? Would your NHS be free, or fully paid for by taxes if your nation didnt have the US ready to bail you out by protecting your waters from submarines and other foreign agents? This is not an insult, this is a fact.
Remember the above when you talk about people being ungrateful.
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I just +1 you because you are speaking from the heart now. Now, true discussion can begin.
FDR taking our family home sure did a lot for us, but I'll concede this point. It is the burden of citizenship.
Why did you need our tax dollars to bail you out in form of Naval patrols then? Are you saying the Independent(a British Publication) lied?
This paragraph is why you got +1. You have, in plain terms, stated you could never respect an Asian(or probably any other minority) in a western nation. Wanting a better life for their family is a dishonorable act to you because any slight of pride, which racism is, is never a big enough thing to endure for sake of familial betterment.
Fair play you could admit this.
This doesnt change the original statement though. I pay tax dollars, which go to defending your nation since your nation would rather throw money elsewhere(like the NHS).
Why should the fruits of my labor go to providing for your country and healthcare? If you can satisfactorily answer this I will concede the point to you.
Unique wrote:here is 3 facts for you. the first fact is America has done more for you and your family than your family has done for America.
FDR taking our family home sure did a lot for us, but I'll concede this point. It is the burden of citizenship.
2nd fact. the british army have be defending its own people as well as other people for as longger than America has been a country so don't tell me you provide us with anything.
Why did you need our tax dollars to bail you out in form of Naval patrols then? Are you saying the Independent(a British Publication) lied?
and the 3rd fact is you are happy for you and your family suffer racist abuse for a paycheck. now fook off talking about how you defend my country because you cant even defend your own family from racist abuse you always moan about. let me tell you something buddy. no amout of money could bribe me to let my family suffer racist abuse.
This paragraph is why you got +1. You have, in plain terms, stated you could never respect an Asian(or probably any other minority) in a western nation. Wanting a better life for their family is a dishonorable act to you because any slight of pride, which racism is, is never a big enough thing to endure for sake of familial betterment.
Fair play you could admit this.
This doesnt change the original statement though. I pay tax dollars, which go to defending your nation since your nation would rather throw money elsewhere(like the NHS).
Why should the fruits of my labor go to providing for your country and healthcare? If you can satisfactorily answer this I will concede the point to you.
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I don't respect anyone that would let his family suffer for a paycheck. and you let your family suffer racist abuse for a paycheck. do you pay income tax and NI contrabutions in Britain. no you don't so that means you don't pay for shit in this country. and let me tell you something buddy boy. if you look up the british SAS in the first golf war you will see that is was them that went behind enemy lines to plant lazar guided bombs that were dropped by the usa from 60k ft. so does that mean the british defended the usa from the scud missiles that got blown up. no it means the british and the US military work as a team. so if the usa helped us out with anything in the past we have also returned the favour. but you know what we then do. we say thank you for your help. when ever there is a war the first people the americans call on are the british. they do that for 2 reasons the first is Britain has the best soliders on planet earth and do a top class job. and the 2nd reason is America and Britain have a great friendship and appreciate the help we give each other.Betty La Fea wrote:I just +1 you because you are speaking from the heart now. Now, true discussion can begin.Unique wrote:here is 3 facts for you. the first fact is America has done more for you and your family than your family has done for America.
FDR taking our family home sure did a lot for us, but I'll concede this point. It is the burden of citizenship.2nd fact. the british army have be defending its own people as well as other people for as longger than America has been a country so don't tell me you provide us with anything.
Why did you need our tax dollars to bail you out in form of Naval patrols then? Are you saying the Independent(a British Publication) lied?and the 3rd fact is you are happy for you and your family suffer racist abuse for a paycheck. now fook off talking about how you defend my country because you cant even defend your own family from racist abuse you always moan about. let me tell you something buddy. no amout of money could bribe me to let my family suffer racist abuse.
This paragraph is why you got +1. You have, in plain terms, stated you could never respect an Asian(or probably any other minority) in a western nation. Wanting a better life for their family is a dishonorable act to you because any slight of pride, which racism is, is never a big enough thing to endure for sake of familial betterment.
Fair play you could admit this.
This doesnt change the original statement though. I pay tax dollars, which go to defending your nation since your nation would rather throw money elsewhere(like the NHS).
Why should the fruits of my labor go to providing for your country and healthcare? If you can satisfactorily answer this I will concede the point to you.
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Stop this discussion please.
None of the points made by one of the posters makes any sense.
None of the points made by one of the posters makes any sense.
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Unique wrote:I don't respect anyone that would let his family suffer for a paycheck. and you let your family suffer racist abuse for a paycheck.
So no ethnic minority in the west, immigrant or otherwise, has your respect because they open up the opportunity for their family to suffer racial abuse. A fine opinion, and one I suspect most of your party also subscribe to.
Thanks for admitting it.
do you pay income tax and NI contrabutions in Britain. no you don't so that means you don't pay for shit in this country.
I pay into the United States defense fund and guess what, This fund allows your country to be able to use your taxes disproportionately to funding your welfare state. I directly pay into your welfare state.
and let me tell you something buddy boy. if you look up the british SAS in the first golf war you will see that is was them that went behind enemy lines to plant lazar guided bombs that were dropped by the usa from 60k ft. so does that mean the british defended the usa from the scud missiles that got blown up. no it means the british and the US military work as a team.
Is a team really us making up the difference on your military budget while people get sick here and die in debt while you get free healthcare? What kind of partnership is this?
so if the usa helped us out with anything in the past we have also returned the favour. but you know what we then do. we say thank you for your help. when ever there is a war the first people the americans call on are the british. they do that for 2 reasons the first is Britain has the best soliders on planet earth and do a top class job. and the 2nd reason is America and Britain have a great friendship and appreciate the help we give each other.
This is patriotic hogwash. Best soldiers? Great friendship? You don't believe this for one second. You are able to get free healthcare because you know a world power, with a generous tax base such as the people you look down on for accepting racial abuse, foots the difference.
If America needed her waters patrolled for anti-submarine defense you couldnt provide us one second of protection, yet when you needed it we were right there. The great American provided welfare state, via my tax dollars, has served you well.
You're welcome Unique.
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This should honestly be added to the smileys. Oh, and I'm more on-topic than you guys are
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tbh mate and I'm not joking here. but ive seen some shit posted on the internet over the years but the shit you are talking in this thread has left me speechless. do you know how much shit you need to talk to make me speechless. you have to be trolling mate.Betty La Fea wrote:Unique wrote:I don't respect anyone that would let his family suffer for a paycheck. and you let your family suffer racist abuse for a paycheck.
So no ethnic minority in the west, immigrant or otherwise, has your respect because they open up the opportunity for their family to suffer racial abuse. A fine opinion, and one I suspect most of your party also subscribe to.
Thanks for admitting it.do you pay income tax and NI contrabutions in Britain. no you don't so that means you don't pay for shit in this country.
I pay into the United States defense fund and guess what, This fund allows your country to be able to use your taxes disproportionately to funding your welfare state. I directly pay into your welfare state.
and let me tell you something buddy boy. if you look up the british SAS in the first golf war you will see that is was them that went behind enemy lines to plant lazar guided bombs that were dropped by the usa from 60k ft. so does that mean the british defended the usa from the scud missiles that got blown up. no it means the british and the US military work as a team.
Is a team really us making up the difference on your military budget while people get sick here and die in debt while you get free healthcare? What kind of partnership is this?
so if the usa helped us out with anything in the past we have also returned the favour. but you know what we then do. we say thank you for your help. when ever there is a war the first people the americans call on are the british. they do that for 2 reasons the first is Britain has the best soliders on planet earth and do a top class job. and the 2nd reason is America and Britain have a great friendship and appreciate the help we give each other.
This is patriotic hogwash. Best soldiers? Great friendship? You don't believe this for one second. You are able to get free healthcare because you know a world power, with a generous tax base such as the people you look down on for accepting racial abuse, foots the difference.
If America needed her waters patrolled for anti-submarine defense you couldnt provide us one second of protection, yet when you needed it we were right there. The great American provided welfare state, via my tax dollars, has served you well.
You're welcome Unique.
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anyway betty this thread is going off topic and the admin hate it when that happens. so why don't you just say thank you to the nice American people and we can move on mate.
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Take it to the PMs, fellas. You've gone way off topic.
On Topic - I give it to the end of the year before one of Scaramucci or John Kelly is out. They are bound to clash, given their lifestyles. And Trump is just going to let it happen and make it public, just like what he did with Priebus.
The way Priebus and Sessions talk about Trump, refusing to criticize him, is surreal. I get that they are doing this so that they don't get blacklisted for future Washington jobs, but this is Jim Jones-level fanaticism, especially from Scaramucci as well.
On Topic - I give it to the end of the year before one of Scaramucci or John Kelly is out. They are bound to clash, given their lifestyles. And Trump is just going to let it happen and make it public, just like what he did with Priebus.
The way Priebus and Sessions talk about Trump, refusing to criticize him, is surreal. I get that they are doing this so that they don't get blacklisted for future Washington jobs, but this is Jim Jones-level fanaticism, especially from Scaramucci as well.
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Mooch already fired
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The milk in my fridge lasted longer than he did
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His official start date was August 15th He got fired before he started
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Should probably mention the whole grand jury thing tbh
Mueller investigation probably going to ramp up another level from here on out. It's pretty clear that what's going on is not quite what one would describe as a "nothingburger"
Mueller investigation probably going to ramp up another level from here on out. It's pretty clear that what's going on is not quite what one would describe as a "nothingburger"
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Heard 99% of the cases in the grand jury gets indicted
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Fox news article I found. Wow. The amount of double talk and cognitive dissonance. It's really mostly rambling and it doesn't follow a very cohesive pattern. Wtf.
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WOULD YOU EVEN CARE IF HE WAS GUILTY?
The stock market is up, unemployment is down and the economy seems to be picking up some steam. The streets are mostly safe, the nation is mostly secure and the world is mostly at peace.
So does it matter to you whether or not the president is a crook? The answer for a lot of Americans may be no.
With the revelation that a grand jury is looking at evidence against members of President Trump’s 2016 campaign team, we move closer still to the possibility that someone could be in very big trouble.
Special Counsel Robert Mueller and his squad are moving fast, and the likelihood that some charges will be brought can no longer be ignored. It is not hard to imagine a moment in the very near future where some associate of the president is in the dock, charged with misdeeds relating to Russian interference in the 2016 election.
But, again, we ask: Would it matter to you?
Democrats are now in something of the same position as Bob Dole was in 1996 when he demanded of reporters about then-President Bill Clinton, “Where’s the outrage?”
Americans overwhelmingly believe that Russia meddled in the election – an action that in less ambiguous times would constitute an act of war. And an almost equally large number believe that Trump was to some degree complicit. But despite the day-by-day revelations, about a third of the country sticks with Trump.
The most recent Quinnipiac University poll found that 57 percent of respondents believe Trump was abusing the powers of office, 62 percent said he was not being honest and 58 percent said they thought he was interfering with the investigation.
But let’s dig a little deeper. While Trump’s job approval rating is at a new all-time low, he is still in the good graces of 76 percent of Republicans. That’s not so hot with one’s own party, a category in which presidents typically like to see numbers in the 80’s or 90’s. But still, 76 percent ain’t nothing.
That number matches up almost perfectly to the percentage of Republicans who believe Trump is not interfering. Heck, 30 percent of Republicans said they didn’t even think Russia interfered in the first place; and 70 percent of GOP respondents said they didn’t think Trump had done anything wrong at all.
That’s a pretty massive disconnect. Independent voters overwhelmingly agree Trump Russia interfered and Trump did wrong. While they are divided on the question of whether it constituted a criminal action or simply an unethical one, about 60 percent of unaffiliated voters say Trump did a bad thing vis-à-vis Russia.
You can attribute this disconnect to blind followership, “alternate facts,” or mind-boggling double talk from the administration. But there may be something else at work here: Many of Trump’s supporters wouldn’t care, even if they knew it was true.
One of the reasons the president has fallen back into the habit of demanding criminal prosecution of his vanquished 2016 foe is to force his supporters to climb back down the decision tree and ask themselves again whether they would rather have Hillary Clinton as president.
This is a version of what Trump did throughout the campaign. He would tacitly admit his ethical shortcomings but then cast them as positives – “tough,” “the smartest,” “a killer” – and then would go on to a harangue about the tar-thick corruption of the House of Clinton.
When Bill Clinton’s accusers were front and center at the second presidential debate, which was held in the wake of revelations of Trump’s previous banter about sexual assault, the women were props in Trump’s show. The message: “I’m no prince, but this guy’s a worse slime.”
Given the degree to which Republicans for generations have come to loathe the Clintons, who always seemed to be getting away with the worst of their misconduct, it was a pretty convincing argument in a binary election.
As the borscht gets deeper for the Trump administration on matters Russian, it is understandable that Trump wishes to revisit the choice of 2016.
The approach is less effective now, of course, because we know that Hillary Clinton won’t become president, no matter what. There will be no do-over on the election, and she couldn’t even win her own party’s nomination if she ran again (again!) in three years. If Trump stops being president, it will be the gentleman from Indiana who succeeds him, not the lady from New York.
For core supporters, though, it still does the trick – albeit in a different way.
As we hear Trump devotees wail that colluding with a hostile foreign power isn’t a crime or cavil that Mueller & Co. might find other crimes unrelated to Russian disruption, what we are really hearing is their acceptance of wrongdoing. This is the big: “So what?”
The underlying argument is that she probably did something even worse, so if he lied, cheated and maybe even stole the election. For after all, he would have been only beating Democrats at their own game.
Even though this view represents a minority of a minority, it is still pretty strong evidence of an unwell national civic culture. It is also like money in the bank for Trump.
As Trump told adoring fans in West Virginia, “They’re trying to cheat you out of the leadership that you want with a fake story.”
We hate to have to keep harkening back to the impeachment of Bill Clinton, but the parallels are too overwhelming to ignore. And in that case, Democrats essentially came to accept that everything they once denied as a right-wing conspiracy was true but that they just didn’t care that it was so.
Plus, with peace and prosperity reigning across the land, who wanted to yank the president out of office? The unthinkable became thinkable.
That’s what Trump needs. As Mueller and his fellow G-men close in on their quarry, the willful blindness of partisans won’t be enough to keep Republicans from turning against Trump in numbers large enough to put his job at risk.
But if there is a sense that removing or even further isolating the president could jeopardize a growing economy, folks will tend to get a lot more lenient in their thinking.
That’s why we revisit this thought experiment from time to time. If we imagine that all that has been said and accused is true, would enough Republicans care enough to want Trump out?
Certainly the passing of time helps the president as voters get accustomed to a new reality that would have shocked them before. But also the condition of the country and its economy matters too.
And since whatever is revealed will almost certainly fall short of the most hysterical claims of Trump’s foes, it may not even take an economic boom to keep at least the overwhelming majority of Republicans on board.
It will be somewhere between hard and impossible for Trump to be a transformative president with a 33 percent approval rating. His political capital line of credit is far overextended. But it might be enough if the goal is basically to survive.
And that’s why Trump and his fellow Republicans feel extra pressure to pass some kind of economic stimulus soon. Tax cuts may be a matter of survival
From http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/08/04/would-even-care-if-was-guilty.html
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Too many have pinned their political futures, livlihood, honor, dignity, whatever else of value to the Trump brand. There is literally no way out for some of these folks so denial is the only respite left given that a realization of what we all know to be true about Trump isn't going to happen.
Has to be remembered that facts simply don't matter to Trump supporters. They voted this guy in purely on emotion. That's how so many of the major decisions a person makes are decided. By emotion, not logic.
Desperation is a hell of a thing though and that's all Trump supporters have left, but if you hear them tell it, they're still "winning".
Has to be remembered that facts simply don't matter to Trump supporters. They voted this guy in purely on emotion. That's how so many of the major decisions a person makes are decided. By emotion, not logic.
Desperation is a hell of a thing though and that's all Trump supporters have left, but if you hear them tell it, they're still "winning".
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Unemployment lowest since 2001. Trump brought the jobs back
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Lets not get carried away, unemployment is decreasing at the same rate since 2010. The US economy is in good shape, not due to any drastic Trump measures, but due to the consistent effort for years now.
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rincon wrote:Lets not get carried away, unemployment is decreasing at the same rate since 2010. The US economy is in good shape, not due to any drastic Trump measures, but due to the consistent effort for years now.
We probably shouldn't get carried away, Trump has enacted almost no (if any) legislation that has any sort of discernible effects on job growth as far as I'm aware.
The unemployment rate and number of jobs added have stayed roughly congruent with a president who hasn't really done anything. Surprise surprise, that's what Trump has done so far (besides some obviously terrible decisions like pulling out of the Paris Accord).
Obama was adding 181,000 jobs/month the final six months of his presidency. Trump is adding 179,000 at the moment. It's essentially the same (although, obviously, slightly lower for Trump).
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Sorry Myesyats, your claims again do not happen to match up with objective reality.
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It's cool. The Trump Tower TV network will step in to propagandize all of this and turn these facts into Trump "wins"
I can't wait to see that network go up so that late night TV can have a field day roasting it.
Seriously though, only dictators feel the need to create their own media networks because they can't take the heat of the established media in-country. This is still suppression of the media no matter how he tries to spin this.
I can't wait to see that network go up so that late night TV can have a field day roasting it.
Seriously though, only dictators feel the need to create their own media networks because they can't take the heat of the established media in-country. This is still suppression of the media no matter how he tries to spin this.
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Not following much US politics but i thought they found substantial information linking Trump to Russia? I thought this collusion would make him a prime candidate for impeachment?
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ES wrote:Not following much US politics but i thought they found substantial information linking Trump to Russia? I thought this collusion would make him a prime candidate for impeachment?
As of yet there is no smoking gun linking Trump directly to collusion with Russia. We do know he dictated a misleading (read: lie) statement by Trump Jr., so he's lied straight up to the American people. This isn't really news though, since he's done that since...well, he started campaigning.
Mueller had impaneled a grand jury and his investigation continues and seems to be pointing at their being a trove of information both on Russia and potentially in Trump's personal financial files. We won't know anything for sure until his investigation is done, unless more leaks come out. The investigation will likely take a while yet, these special counsels are not known for moving quickly, but are thorough based on past instances.
There is enough unethical behavior, lying, poor performance, and questionable temperament from Mr. Trump to, in my opinion in a sane world, put him at risk for impeachment even without the investigation. Oh, and it's clear he has no *bleep* clue what he's doing. Unfortunately what the case is is that Republicans control the House of Representatives and unless there is something extremely scandalous that comes up or his approval numbers get low enough (probably need both), they won't try and impeach.
That's the rundown. Anyone else can add to what I've missed.
To me what's incredible is I've been watching through some of PBS' American Experience documentaries, specifically their Presidents collection (very highly recommended btw) and I'm watching Clinton right now, and if Trump was president in '97 he would have been toast by now. The difference between now and then...insane. Then again, Clinton was up against a House that was lead by Gingrich so perhaps I'm looking at this unreasonably (subsequent acquittal might support that fact).
In any case, I don't know how much US politics you follow ES, and to be sure, our sample size throughout history is very small, but impeachment and conviction processes are highly partisan in US politics (as everything else...).
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Didn't half a million Americans die fighting against this flag?
Didn't half a million Americans die fighting against this flag?
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lol why would anyone be supportive of Nazis still today??? Isn't it equivalent to being supportive of mass murder etc.? Thats kinda *bleep* up. This shouldnt have a place anywhere in the world, I don't like how the US stands in this matter & allows this.
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