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Post by El Gunner on Sun Sep 08, 2019 5:21 am

dangerous crashes in motorsport have been happening a lot lately. Someone died last week in a GP2 race at Spa, Belgium when he crashed against barricades, rebounded back on to the track and a following car zipped right through his car, leaving it in two parts.

Then there was another video of stock cars all crashing into one barricade against each other due to heavy rain and not yet having put the suitable tyres on.

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Post by JespSwe on Wed Sep 18, 2019 10:59 am

yea that was so messed up to put sausage kerb on those high speed ..... seriously just put the damn sand or gravel with tires for safety if they want to restrict track limits

normally tracks are inspected for safety and all before the races but i guess that was badly unforeseen by race stewards ...it was removed afterwards and thankfully alex peroni walked away... but he was still admitted to hospital for mandatory safety checks...


on race before italian gp, antoinne hubert passed way after deadly crash RIP Crying or Very sad ... frankly when the news and video came i was so devastated just by the image i just refused to even watch the video.... i just heard that chassis that antoinne was driving was hit so badly that chassis tore apart.

chassis design has regulations that needs mandatory crash test that needs passing but no one can imagine these sort of scary moments.

sigh... this is sad .. motor sports is very dangerous indeed

and For Charles Leclerc this is just so tragic as jules bianchi was a very close mentor and godfather and he passed away with tragic race accident in japan 2014.

and now lost antoinne hubert who was very close friend whom he raced together since childhood...

Leclerc was already my favorite driver when he was still in f2 championship and later in Sauber , and its kinda sad that he didn't get to celebrate his first f1 win in Belgium after that tragedy.
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Post by JespSwe on Wed Sep 18, 2019 11:01 am

@RealGunner wrote:What's going on with vettel lads?



Charles Leclerc is going on RG ^O^
though in Vettel's defense he should have won Canadian GP this year rightfully ...
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Post by Vibe on Wed Sep 18, 2019 3:59 pm

Vettel needs his rear end planted to the ground, his style is very dependant on going early on the throttle even at the cost of missing the apex, and this worked wonderfully with Red Bull's downforce and Renaults's engine, however since the hybrid era started his biggest strength was gone, never drove at that level again.

Alonso or Hamilton would have been champions with Ferrari several times since 2015. This year Ferrari got it very wrong with the downforce philosophy around the front wing and Mercedes is just better.

Fully expect them to correct this for next season and be on par with Mercedes, and if Leclerc maintains this level he will fight for the championship. It would also be smart for Ferrari to focus on Leclerc and dump Vettel, because if the car is good Vettel will be fighting for wins and Ferrari can't afford an internal fight while taking on Hamilton as well. Get Hulkenberg for example, he will drive for next to nothing for a chance at Ferrari and haul in some points.

Vettel crumbles year after year when he has Hamilton in his rearview. Leclerc is in his first year with Ferrari and has already shown that he can be ruthless and keep Hamilton behind, two races in a row.
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Post by JespSwe on Wed Sep 18, 2019 6:08 pm

@Vibe wrote:Vettel needs his rear end planted to the ground, his style is very dependant on going early on the throttle even at the cost of missing the apex, and this worked wonderfully with Red Bull's downforce and Renaults's engine, however since the hybrid era started his biggest strength was gone, never drove at that level again.

Alonso or Hamilton would have been champions with Ferrari several times since 2015. This year Ferrari got it very wrong with the downforce philosophy around the front wing and Mercedes is just better.

Fully expect them to correct this for next season and be on par with Mercedes, and if Leclerc maintains this level he will fight for the championship. It would also be smart for Ferrari to focus on Leclerc and dump Vettel, because if the car is good Vettel will be fighting for wins and Ferrari can't afford an internal fight while taking on Hamilton as well. Get Hulkenberg for example, he will drive for next to nothing for a chance at Ferrari and haul in some points.

Vettel crumbles year after year when he has Hamilton in his rearview. Leclerc is in his first year with Ferrari and has already shown that he can be ruthless and keep Hamilton behind, two races in a row.


both ham / vettel contract runs out at end of 2020 no?

ferrari designed their car which is lacking overall downforce with high speed low drag compared to merc .. i think only merc and red bull choose that route adding more downforce and drag
merc also additionally seems to work heavily on suspensions so they look really mighty in slow corners. they don't have straight line speed anymore but they are clawing a lot back from corners ; not all circuits have characteristics with more straights .... actually even on circuits like spa for example where most teams was having low down force setups (for sec 1 , 3 ) to gain from straights merc could claw back significantly on sec 2 - from les combes - stavelot and thats why they were really close to ferrari on those ferrari suited track

ferrari though unquestionably got great engine performance compared to merc now








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Post by Vibe on Wed Sep 18, 2019 6:25 pm

I doubt the Ferarri engine is better than Merc narrative. The engines are similar, Ferrari just doesn't have that downforce and unfortunately for them F1 is mostly corners, not straights. So it seems like they are all powerful in a straight line, but just look at that front wing, much less drag. Mercedes gains everything back in every corner and more.

While I am sure Ferrari does have a trick up their sleeve with the engine, whether it is oil burning or something else, once the fuel management kicks in in the race, their advantage is gone and they get passed by Merc. It is only sustainable in qualifying.

I mean we were at Spa and Monza where that advantage should have been enourmous if those claims are true, and Ferrari barely survived both, much thanks to Leclerc being on the limit and maybe over it while defending.
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Post by JespSwe on Wed Sep 18, 2019 8:40 pm

@Vibe wrote:I doubt the Ferarri engine is better than Merc narrative. The engines are similar, Ferrari just doesn't have that downforce and unfortunately for them F1 is mostly corners, not straights. So it seems like they are all powerful in a straight line, but just look at that front wing, much less drag. Mercedes gains everything back in every corner and more.

While I am sure Ferrari does have a trick up their sleeve with the engine, whether it is oil burning or something else, once the fuel management kicks in in the race, their advantage is gone and they get passed by Merc. It is only sustainable in qualifying.

I mean we were at Spa and Monza where that advantage should have been enourmous if those claims are true, and Ferrari barely survived both, much thanks to Leclerc being on the limit and maybe over it while defending.


ferrari front wing is definitely the most aggressive along with sauber, and they believe they are right to adopt that idea ... fact that even mclaren copied that concept.

ferrari feels like they can gain needed downforce elsewhere mattia binotto was pretty firm about it that they will continue the same principles that they have in current car

ferrari is gaining a lot from MGU unit from battery they are getting extra performance and Merc Andy Cowell im sure will have his team back in brixworth to get merc back to ferrari benchmark....

Mercedes has been so damn good though in their chassis development over the years

On the sad side of it, Aldo Costa who i feel was the most instrumental figure to mercedes dominance has now left for Dallara to be more in Italy...i seriously hope this is not the end of Merc domination.

though on this note, Dallara closely work with Haas so they may benefit massively in next coming years.

Also on this note, in 2021 budget cap will be introduced so right now both merc and ferrari are heavily investing on facilities and people so they wont be restricted not able to spend money as they would like from 20201
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Post by El Gunner on Thu Sep 19, 2019 2:14 am

@Vibe wrote:Vettel needs his rear end planted to the ground, his style is very dependant on going early on the throttle even at the cost of missing the apex, and this worked wonderfully with Red Bull's downforce and Renaults's engine, however since the hybrid era started his biggest strength was gone, never drove at that level again.


hmm, this is an interesting theory and i never thought of it that way. But surely if that was the case, his engineers would have figured that out by now, and make him adapt to the Ferrari.

I just think Vettel lost some of his youthful competitive edge, it happens naturally as you get older and after you've won a few championships already. And also the fact that he seems to crumble whenever Hamilton is chasing him down. In that respect, I have to give to Hamilton he seems to have more of a warrior mentality than Vettel.

Really like LeClerc though, think he will bring an end to Ferrari's long-wait for driver's championship in the next few years. He and Verstappen will dominate once Hamilton decides to retire.
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Post by Vibe on Thu Sep 19, 2019 2:32 am

Engineers can do whatever they want, with these engines' torque and different diffuser rules, Vettel will never get that again.

That Renault V8 had ridiculous traction and Vettel would be on the throttle visibly earlier than anyone else, to the point that other teams suggested Red Bull cheated and had traction control. Webber could not replicate this to that extent, so Vettel knew what he was doing.

If you need any proof just look at Vettel in 2013 and 2014. You do not become shit in 2 months and Red Bull was still a great car, Ricciardo won 3 races and wiped the floor with Vettel. Biggest difference? No more planted rear.
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Post by BarrileteCosmico on Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:35 pm

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.2021-car-revealed-as-fia-and-f1-present-regulations-for-the-future.3ZkeTsu1sNCrFGP1HI9KVy.html

175m spending cap introduced, wonder what the impact of this will be
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Post by El Gunner on Fri Nov 01, 2019 9:04 pm

More competitive racing hopefully, that's all we wish for
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Post by Warrior on Fri Nov 01, 2019 9:39 pm

Spending cap is bull shit for a sport like Formula 1

The goal is to have the fastest possible car Laughing is it Frank Williams who once said for every gain of 0.1s i must spend 1M
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Post by El Gunner on Fri Nov 01, 2019 9:50 pm

@Warrior wrote:Spending cap is bull shit for a sport like Formula 1

The goal is to have the fastest possible car Laughing is it Frank Williams who once said for every gain of 0.1s i must spend 1M


but some teams have more money than others.. if you want to give a more entertaining spectacle to the fans the cap might help in that regard 🤷
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Post by Warrior on Fri Nov 01, 2019 10:48 pm

i'd prefer to allow only 5-6 constructors (the richest) with 3 pilots each

I mean Scuderia, Mercedes, Red Bull, Renault are the ones who invest in new technology research, they develop new engines and components then supply them to the smallest teams. I don't think cutting down their budget will improve the sport.

Racing is all about performance, never about making money, a concept of championship parity is not compatible with that. Formula 1 should be reserved to the elite.
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Post by BarrileteCosmico on Sat Nov 02, 2019 3:21 am

Rbr doesn't make their own engines and are still competitive
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Post by Art Morte on Sat Nov 02, 2019 4:02 am

Spending cap goes against the tradition of Formula 1, like Warrior said, of building the fastest race track cars humanly possible. That said, F1 has to do whatever it can to a) keep teams wanting to stay / come in and b) make for more even races. This situation that's been the status quo for a while now where there are 2.5 teams (Red Bull sort of hanging in there) competing for podium and the rest far behind is boring. Even if the spending cap levels the field it's going to take several years, though.
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Post by Vibe on Sat Nov 02, 2019 5:08 am

While it is a nice idea, it is impossible to regulate.

If they want to spend, they will, and they'll find ways to do it real easy off the books.
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Post by El Gunner on Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:58 am

@Vibe wrote:While it is a nice idea, it is impossible to regulate.

If they want to spend, they will, and they'll find ways to do it real easy off the books.


it might not strictly be able to regulate it to the cap in that sense, but it will limit the excessive spending definitely if the rule is in place.
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Post by danyjr on Sat Nov 02, 2019 7:04 am

F1 2019 free weekend on Steam for those who have a PC.
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Post by El Gunner on Sat Nov 02, 2019 7:24 am

@danyjr wrote:F1 2019 free weekend on Steam for those who have a PC.


how does Steam work? you download the Steam application and then you just connect a controller and you play hmm
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Post by danyjr on Sat Nov 02, 2019 7:39 am

Yeah, download Steam, make an account, download F1, profit.
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Post by BarrileteCosmico on Sat Nov 02, 2019 12:51 pm

I suspect part of the reason for the spending cap is that the big boys don't want to spend too much money developing a dying technology. Everyone is moving to to electric and abandoning ICE, ever higher end performance oriented brands. If all this R&D has little chance of ever making it to a luxury product why bother?
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Post by JespSwe on Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:13 am

@BarrileteCosmico wrote:https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.2021-car-revealed-as-fia-and-f1-present-regulations-for-the-future.3ZkeTsu1sNCrFGP1HI9KVy.html

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im against the new rule for two reasons

- they have brought ground effect after like 30 + years which is cool but the aerodynamic developments on upper chassis bodywork, frontwing, bargeboards, rear wing  hydraulic suspension.. been heavily restricted ...
so this sucks as teams will not get more areas to work on, more setup to play with, that is just meh for me because engineering challenge makes f1 fun ! taking away that and standardizing is no fun... it takes away creativity, developments, people like me who buys f1 magazine to see developments and science behind it ..

its a good thing in terms of sporting aspects because it tends to curve spending money on windtunnel / CFD hrs but i love the whole creative  and science behind f1 even if i am not one... XD creativity, engineering, innovation, concept to testing and brough down to practice is what makes F1 interesting and that has been all cut down like seriously significantly, this includes more curve down on gearbox, hydraulic suspension, and engine development as well. which for me is like meh i dont want like same looking car and f2 like formula XD

second thing is that budget cap ok its a very good thing F1 is expensive sport but cmon let people who want to spend spend like as they want its like casino u dont want to make highroller to play like the newbie in casino ...
if i am not mistaken also that budget cap will exclude 3 best paid employees,

|" The cap covers expenditure that relates to car performance. It excludes all marketing costs, race driver fees and the costs of the team’s three highest paid personnel...."
this is bad i understood properly...  this EXCLUDES ... 3 highest paid personnel meaning... this unquestionably will lead to top teams or any teams cutting jobs for people who worked their ass off ...

even if the rule say its cost cap only applies for car development .... teams wouldn't want to keep / hire people as they are restricted by developments... and team either way will be forced to trim down people... top teams or some team are working just fine at their own operating costs ... why that has to be messed up...

anyway the f1 rules that is listed is just a basic ones laid out, tbh the financial rules are much more complex, im sure top teams will have their top accountants and financial people looking into this matter

for me 2021 development restriction is the main factor that is not making me enjoy F1... and the car looks like indy ...

been watching f1 since 1994 (only season i missed was 1997, 1998) and this is the first time i am feeling like this sucks...atleast on papers but lets see ...


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Post by JespSwe on Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:19 am

i would say again, cost cap wont change the competitiveness, i can still seeing mercedes, ferrari, redbull and to some extent mclaren being competitive... but we probably may see some close racing,

the whole aero development is restricted massively, so atleast accordingly to windtunnel test show it will be easily to follow car closely due to less turbulent air exiting from car ahead therefore not affecting overall performance. unless some team will still find hefty performance from floor / diffuser development as ground effect is coming back, its a lot of un-tapped potential as it has been like 30 years

cars will be much heavier too, and its predicted that car is going to be +3 slower. lets see how 2021 comes. anyway we may see very different interpretation of design / development philosophy taken by teams
hence the look of the car may differ, and so will the performance.
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Post by The Madrid One on Wed Nov 27, 2019 6:12 am

Formula One is a joke. Almost always a two horse race (mainly between constructors, forget the drivers), when the championships are not being dominated for near-decade long spurts of domination by one team that is. I might get into WRC if i ever decide i want to watch racing regularly again. At least my boy Carlos Sainz finally got his first podium finish.
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Post by Kick on Wed Nov 27, 2019 12:39 pm

@The Madrid One wrote:Formula One is a joke. Almost always a two horse race (mainly between constructors, forget the drivers), when the championships are not being dominated for near-decade long spurts of domination by one team that is. I might get into WRC if i ever decide i want to watch racing regularly again. At least my boy Carlos Sainz finally got his first podium finish.


If you want competitive racing, try Formula E Thumbs up
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