Would you stop working if the state gave you 650€/month forever?
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Would you stop working if the state gave you 650€/month forever?
In Catalonia and Spain, due to the surge in unemployment and poverty, some social lobbies are pushing for the instatement of a basic income to all of those who don't have a job or their income doesn't reach this minimum. This income is asked to be around 650€, which in Catalonia would buy you a very modest life with no luxuries, but enough to live on your own if you don't live in the big city.
If you earned more than that, you wouldn't receive this basic income.
A non skilled job in Spain, would get you around 1.000€. Would you stop working and enjoy your free time for this 650€/month, or would you keep working to get this 1.000€ (if you were an unskilled employee)?
If you earned more than that, you wouldn't receive this basic income.
A non skilled job in Spain, would get you around 1.000€. Would you stop working and enjoy your free time for this 650€/month, or would you keep working to get this 1.000€ (if you were an unskilled employee)?
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Re: Would you stop working if the state gave you 650€/month forever?
I'll work for more obviously.
The 650 doesn't go to pensioners I assume
The 650 doesn't go to pensioners I assume
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At my current income level I definitely wouldn't stop working for 650/mo. If my choices were 650/mo for nothing or 1000/mo for low-skill labor I'm not sure, depends on what kind of jobs were available for that 1000/mo and what the cost of living is where I'm at
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Though in theory it sounds very much robinhoody my question is even if money with people increases what about the gross domestic product? Is it going to increase? No. Then what happens is peopl have so much money but less goods are produced leading to hyper inflation. This type of condition not healthy for entrepreneurs so they shut down their enterprises or contract it leading to more unemployment. So that's not some good gesture by Spanish its basically economical travesty.
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I don't think idleness leads anyone to happiness in the long term, and I've experienced that in the past and personally I found it was a horrible rut to get into. So I'd either continue with the job, or use the free time to work on another ambition.
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€650 isn't even enough for me so no & I would rather work than sit at home all day err day while the government pays me
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Hmm let's see, at the moment one Euro is worth 3,870 Iranian Toman, if you convert that 650€ to our currency you have 2,515,500 Toman.
This is the kind of salary you'd get from a entry level job like working for a bank, i'd say it's more than enough for a family with one children but not enough for a large family.
This is the kind of salary you'd get from a entry level job like working for a bank, i'd say it's more than enough for a family with one children but not enough for a large family.
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I definitely wouldn't stop working, but as a freelancer I would feel much safer if there was a definite and secure baseline I'd get.
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Re: Would you stop working if the state gave you 650€/month forever?
So casual bank clerks are basically multi-millionaires in Iran.
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In Germany this is already in place more or less. Effectively even more than € 650. If you have no job the welfare system pays the rent for a flat for you, with all the costs for heating etc. included (which is at least € 350 for a small 1 person flat, if not more, depending on the city you live in, but certainly not any less) and you get € 400 cash. Obviously you get free medical treatment etc. as well. Easily well over € 650 that you receive and without time limitation.
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El Gunner wrote:So casual bank clerks are basically multi-millionaires in Iran.
lol no, 2m is a pretty ordinary wage here, a simple construction worker has a minimum wage of 750,000tm per month and can earn as much as 1m. frankly 2m toman is not much of a money when you consider the inflation.
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I get more from the state going to school, so no
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Pedram wrote:El Gunner wrote:So casual bank clerks are basically multi-millionaires in Iran.
lol no, 2m is a pretty ordinary wage here, a simple construction worker has a minimum wage of 750,000tm per month and can earn as much as 1m. frankly 2m toman is not much of a money when you consider the inflation.
lol obviously I was just joking around.
Obviously the number 1,000,000 = a million so you get where the joke is coming from no?
But of course I could see that Iranian money is to weak.
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You live on your own? dat €670 from state doe ffsFreeza wrote:I get more from the state going to school, so no
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LeVersacci wrote:You live on your own? dat €670 from state doe ffsFreeza wrote:I get more from the state going to school, so no
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You shouldn't think like that. Yes, money is vital for your survival, but it shouldn't be the reason why you go to work. If you do something out of necessity, I guarantee you, you won't excel at it.
The basic income law has one massive upside though. It keeps those who are solely interested in money at home, leaving the vacant jobs for those who are really passionate about it and want to make a difference.
I wish this law was instated in Tunisia, 99% of the population would stop working, and would let people with ideas and passion take over. I'm so tired of these people, being incompetent, doing nothing and still holding the key jobs in this country.
So to answer you question: if you gave me two possibilities - get 1000€ a month and stay home or get 650€ and work, I'd choose the latter without even blinking.
The basic income law has one massive upside though. It keeps those who are solely interested in money at home, leaving the vacant jobs for those who are really passionate about it and want to make a difference.
I wish this law was instated in Tunisia, 99% of the population would stop working, and would let people with ideas and passion take over. I'm so tired of these people, being incompetent, doing nothing and still holding the key jobs in this country.
So to answer you question: if you gave me two possibilities - get 1000€ a month and stay home or get 650€ and work, I'd choose the latter without even blinking.
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LeVersacci wrote:You live on your own? dat €670 from state doe ffsFreeza wrote:I get more from the state going to school, so no
Yeah, 2 room apartment in Aarhus for 3k dkk. Pretty good. Rent and 2k for all other things and food aside from work is so awesome
Should be a thing in every country imo
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650€ a month would barely pay rent in Denmark. We get like 1.7k for not working.
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lmao 3k for 2 room apartment you would never find that in cphFreeza wrote:LeVersacci wrote:You live on your own? dat €670 from state doe ffsFreeza wrote:I get more from the state going to school, so no
Yeah, 2 room apartment in Aarhus for 3k dkk. Pretty good. Rent and 2k for all other things and food aside from work is so awesome
Should be a thing in every country imo
I pay just below 3k for a 1 room apartment
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people getting paid to go to school
Where do I sign up?
Where do I sign up?
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Scandinavia >>>>>
paid to go to school + hottest women in the world
oh and beer is cheap too
imo GL should all move here
paid to go to school + hottest women in the world
oh and beer is cheap too
imo GL should all move here
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Don't call me James wrote:people getting paid to go to school
Where do I sign up?
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Don't call me James wrote:people getting paid to go to school
Where do I sign up?
I know a lot of Americans who get paid for school You just need to set up a financial aid profile when applying for universities.
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M99 wrote:Don't call me James wrote:people getting paid to go to school
Where do I sign up?
I know a lot of Americans who get paid for school You just need to set up a financial aid profile when applying for universities.
what planet are you living on
universities here are RIDICULOUSLY expensive
i have to shell out 5-10k a semester pretty soon and thats for an instate public university (UTD)
getting paid to go to a school like SMU for example.. not happening
and the only way FASFA will give you money is if you are
1.non dependant
2. low income
3. black, hispanic, mixed or native american
for the most part you'll get like.. nothing even with those steps followed^ honestly thinking about stripping at this point its that bad
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