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Post by Kaladin on Sun Jul 05, 2015 6:40 pm

This Portugal > Argentina sub plot is better than Dorne imo

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Post by urbaNRoots on Sun Jul 05, 2015 6:52 pm

@BarrileteCosmico wrote:Higgy won't get Arsenal the CL but is it really such a stretch to think that he might get them 10 more points a season? He might be a scrub killer but Arsenal lost points against Stoke, Swansea, Sunderland, Spurs, Everton, Leicester, Liverpool,  & Hull last season, most of them by a one goal difference or draws. If you're aiming for the title the small matches are just as important as the big.

That being said, I wouldn't pay more than 40m euros for him.


Yep, even then Higuain scored against top 4 teams with Napoli, scored against Juventus/Roma, Lazio and Fiorentina so it's not like he's a complete liability in big games. He scored 3 goals in 4 in the CL group of death in 13/14, 7 goals in 10 Europa League. But let's ignore all this to make a point Proud
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Post by sportsczy on Sun Jul 05, 2015 7:50 pm

Urbie... are you ok with a player that will put up decent stats, but that you can't rely on in the truly clutch moments of big games? That's the ONLY criticism imo. Doesn't make a bad striker. In fact, Higuain is a good one. But he is not great and, at this point, never will be.

How much do you really gain with Higuain over Giroud or Walcott? I don't know. Imo, if Arsenal are going to change CFs... they really need to go after a top guy as opposed to a pseudo top guy.
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Post by titosantill on Sun Jul 05, 2015 8:07 pm

he chokes, he choked with the pk, but i will NOT classify that chance from the lavezzi pass as a choke. imo it wasn't that good a pass, it was a tight angle and his body wasn't in the right frame to hit it with enough power and accuracy. its easy to blame him, but for the pk (and the fact he missed a crucial pk with napoli) not that "chance"...frankly, i didn't even expect him to score it when the ball came through. chile deserved to go through. argentina were garbage all tournament, except for the semi final....i was of the opinion they were preserving their form for the latter stages of the competition, but alas
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Post by urbaNRoots on Sun Jul 05, 2015 10:22 pm

@sportsczy wrote:Urbie...  are you ok with a player that will put up decent stats, but that you can't rely on in the truly clutch moments of big games?  That's the ONLY criticism imo.  Doesn't make a bad striker.  In fact, Higuain is a good one.  But he is not great and, at this point, never will be.

How much do you really gain with Higuain over Giroud or Walcott?  I don't know.  Imo, if Arsenal are going to change CFs... they really need to go after a top guy as opposed to a pseudo top guy.


Again the same argument, there's no top guy, Higuain is the closest thing to a "top guy" that could be available (yes I recognize that he is not world class).

We need a striker and as the best option in the market I would take him, of course I would like to have Benzema/Aguero/Cavani/enter world class striker but we simply can't get one, been trying for years and failing. When the best strikers were available Falcao/Cavani/Costa/Lewandowski we didn't pay up and now we're left with no one in the market when we finally have the money Laughing
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Post by Based Bonera on Sun Jul 05, 2015 10:43 pm

One of the most weak minded player i have ever seen.

Hes still a top 15-20 striker though lol but just dont count on him to win you a game. And FFS, you better hope he gets red carded before the penalties. Good luck Arsenal, stay safe.
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Post by El Gunner on Mon Jul 06, 2015 12:30 am

@urbaNRoots wrote:basically everyone who is not Benzema is rejected by our fanbase
*clears throat* :coffee:
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Post by El Blanco Madridista on Mon Jul 06, 2015 1:46 am

He has just kept regressing after that back injury (especially his mentality). I don't remember him being this inconsistent and mentally weak. It's a shame really, he had lots of potential.

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Post by The Franchise on Mon Jul 06, 2015 12:43 pm

@BarrileteCosmico wrote:Higgy won't get Arsenal the CL but is it really such a stretch to think that he might get them 10 more points a season? He might be a scrub killer but Arsenal lost points against Stoke, Swansea, Sunderland, Spurs, Everton, Leicester, Liverpool,  & Hull last season, most of them by a one goal difference or draws. If you're aiming for the title the small matches are just as important as the big.

That being said, I wouldn't pay more than 40m euros for him.

Why bother when you can get some younger kid who can do what he already does and probably will be better than him not long after?
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Post by The Franchise on Mon Jul 06, 2015 12:49 pm

@urbaNRoots wrote:


Again the same argument, there's no top guy, Higuain is the closest thing to a "top guy" that could be available (yes I recognize that he is not world class).
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But thats not true man. They are out there, you just need to find them and devolp them.
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Post by Myesyats on Mon Jul 06, 2015 1:18 pm

Arsenal should go all in for Lacazette, not for this loser.
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Post by Gil on Mon Jul 06, 2015 4:03 pm

Lacazette isn't good enough. Wenger's just waiting for Madrid to sign the next big thing like Kane or a seasoned striker like Aguero before pouncing on Benzema.
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Mon Jul 06, 2015 4:16 pm

Benz is Florentino's playboy lol.

If Wenger is waiting for him he'll be like this.....

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Post by FilthyLuca on Mon Jul 06, 2015 4:21 pm

@urbaNRoots wrote:
@sportsczy wrote:Urbie...  are you ok with a player that will put up decent stats, but that you can't rely on in the truly clutch moments of big games?  That's the ONLY criticism imo.  Doesn't make a bad striker.  In fact, Higuain is a good one.  But he is not great and, at this point, never will be.

How much do you really gain with Higuain over Giroud or Walcott?  I don't know.  Imo, if Arsenal are going to change CFs... they really need to go after a top guy as opposed to a pseudo top guy.


Again the same argument, there's no top guy, Higuain is the closest thing to a "top guy" that could be available (yes I recognize that he is not world class).

We need a striker and as the best option in the market I would take him, of course I would like to have Benzema/Aguero/Cavani/enter world class striker but we simply can't get one, been trying for years and failing. When the best strikers were available Falcao/Cavani/Costa/Lewandowski we didn't pay up and now we're left with no one in the market when we finally have the money Laughing

real shit, Im almost certain you can find an up and comer who can give you what this guy can for less, with potenitailly more upside. a Barbosa or a Kramaric or something, even someone like mitrovic who can impose himself physically in a game. players with as much talent and not as much hype. been watching him a good 2 years now, and disappointing aint the word for higuain. I always thought he and Benitez were perfect for each other.

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Post by FilthyLuca on Mon Jul 06, 2015 4:23 pm

@Gil wrote:Lacazette isn't good enough. Wenger's just waiting for Madrid to sign the next big thing like Kane or a seasoned striker like Aguero before pouncing on Benzema.
Is it me, or would llorente fit in perfectly in the EPL? he just needs to be flanked and he's pretty *bleep* legit. and he'd be cheaper than.....basically everyone else.

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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Mon Jul 06, 2015 4:27 pm

Not at Arsenal he wouldn't, he might do well for a team which cross a lot though.
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Post by farfan on Mon Jul 06, 2015 4:36 pm

lol at Lacazette not being good enough for Arsenal Laughing AT WORST he'll do considerably better than Giroud .

if he has another season like this one the next year , the question should be whether Arsenal is good enough for him or not .hmm
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Post by S on Mon Jul 06, 2015 4:38 pm

@Gil wrote:Lacazette isn't good enough. Wenger's just waiting for Madrid to sign the next big thing like Kane or a seasoned striker like Aguero before pouncing on Benzema.


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Post by Mr Nick09 on Mon Jul 06, 2015 4:39 pm

and if he doesnt deliver, arsenal will be mocked for signing kids again... it's not that simple and easy just because he is coming off a strong season where everything seemed to be working for him. THat's pretty much the same as saying that if Man yoo sign Harry Kane they will dominate english football for 10 years...
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Mon Jul 06, 2015 4:41 pm

There's a misconception with Giroud anyway, it's not really about quality it's about fit.

Arsenal needs someone with movement and pace to give room to it's midfield to operate, just look at them when Walcott plays. I wouldn't particularly say Walcott is better than Giroud but he's faster which causes problems for defenders and moves better which gives Ozil and Cazorla more room to create.

Problem with Walcott is he's not actually a CF so he can't play with his back to goal, Giroud can but he slows down their attacks and makes their build up play easier to defend. It has nothing to do with actual ability, so i don't see why Lacazette couldn't succeed for them seeing as he has all the skills to fit into what they need.
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Post by farfan on Mon Jul 06, 2015 4:46 pm

@Mr Nick09 wrote:and if he doesnt deliver, arsenal will be mocked for signing kids again... it's not that simple and easy just because he is coming off a strong season where everything seemed to be working for him. THat's pretty much the same as saying that if Man yoo sign Harry Kane they will dominate english football for 10 years...


Lacazette  is 24 not a kid , a french internatiional , and coming off two great seasons one of which he finished top scorer over the likes of Cavani and Ibra while nursing a nagging injury .
anyone who's gonna mock the reasoning behind  this transfert in case it doesn't work out is an idiot whose opinion shouldn't be taken into consideration before concluding transfers .

didn't Arsenal's greatest striker come as  a 22 year old winger and a juventus flop ? what happened to taking some chances ?
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Post by Mr Nick09 on Mon Jul 06, 2015 5:04 pm

taking chances when you have bergkamp at your club is not the same as doing it when you have giroud Laughing

you can rewrite history and bend it as much as you want, but Lacazette is coming off his first true top season. you want to be careful about that and watch him some more. your reasoning is just hype, hype, hype , hype, hype, hype.

i like hype myself, but he hasnt done enough. that's just my opinion. if you think he is the next big thing, good for you. But if that's the case, Kane would just be as good a choice,
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Post by urbaNRoots on Mon Jul 06, 2015 5:06 pm

@FilthyLuca wrote:
@urbaNRoots wrote:
@sportsczy wrote:Urbie...  are you ok with a player that will put up decent stats, but that you can't rely on in the truly clutch moments of big games?  That's the ONLY criticism imo.  Doesn't make a bad striker.  In fact, Higuain is a good one.  But he is not great and, at this point, never will be.

How much do you really gain with Higuain over Giroud or Walcott?  I don't know.  Imo, if Arsenal are going to change CFs... they really need to go after a top guy as opposed to a pseudo top guy.


Again the same argument, there's no top guy, Higuain is the closest thing to a "top guy" that could be available (yes I recognize that he is not world class).

We need a striker and as the best option in the market I would take him, of course I would like to have Benzema/Aguero/Cavani/enter world class striker but we simply can't get one, been trying for years and failing. When the best strikers were available Falcao/Cavani/Costa/Lewandowski we didn't pay up and now we're left with no one in the market when we finally have the money Laughing

real shit, Im almost certain you can find an up and comer who can give you what this guy can for less, with potenitailly more upside.  a Barbosa or a Kramaric or something, even someone like mitrovic who can impose himself physically in a game.  players with as much talent and not as much hype.  been watching him a good 2 years now, and disappointing aint the word for higuain.  I always thought he and Benitez were perfect for each other.


Are you trying to tell us that these kids are better than Higuain right now? Arsenal don't need more kids for the future,  we need a striker who can challenge and replace Giroud next season, none of these names mentioned in this thread come close to that other than Higuain, Lacazzette (arguably) and Icardi who is not available for a transfer.

Which makes me go back to my main point: the market for strikers is absolute dog shit. Milan and Atletico sign Bacca/Hackson for €30m-€35m, Liverpool are about to sign Benteke for what €30m(?) but it's not worth it for Higuain apparently, who has been a regular goalscorer for years...
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Post by farfan on Mon Jul 06, 2015 5:31 pm

@Mr Nick09 wrote:taking chances when you have bergkamp at your club is not the same as doing it when you have giroud Laughing

you can rewrite history and bend it as much as you want, but Lacazette is coming off his first true top season. you want to be careful about that and watch him some more. your reasoning is just hype, hype, hype , hype, hype, hype.

i like hype myself, but he hasnt done enough. that's just my opinion. if you think he is the next big thing, good for you. But if that's the case, Kane would just be as good a choice,

bergkamp wasn't exactly a goal machine , and banking on a converted winger to be your main goal scorer was a risky move no matter how you look at it .

Lacazette's first season as a CF was 2013-2014 . he hit the ground running and was intrsumental in OL reaching the EL quarters and CDL final , scored twice against Saint shitienne , PSG , OM etc..

i'm not saying that Lacazette is the next big thing or a futur BO , but he should be a good enough option for a team like arsenal in this current market .
i watched Monaco's bench warming donkey Adebayor score 24 goals in a season , i sure as hell wouldn't put it past Laca to succeed over there .

you're being overly skpetical here, this isn't 2010-2011 Moussa Sow we're talking about .
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Post by VendettaRed07 on Mon Jul 06, 2015 7:07 pm

"When Messi dies, higuain should bury him just so he can let him down one last time",
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Post by LeBéninois on Mon Jul 06, 2015 7:11 pm

@Mr Nick09 wrote:taking chances when you have bergkamp at your club is not the same as doing it when you have giroud Laughing

you can rewrite history and bend it as much as you want, but Lacazette is coming off his first true top season. you want to be careful about that and watch him some more. your reasoning is just hype, hype, hype , hype, hype, hype.

i like hype myself, but he hasnt done enough. that's just my opinion. if you think he is the next big thing, good for you. But if that's the case, Kane would just be as good a choice,


Does Lacazette still have to prove ? Yes of course but he's coming off a great season and Arsenal should take the risk. It's a gamble like with any transfert but Chelsea bought Drogba after only one great season in ligue 1. a club like Arsenal can't/don't want to go after the few WC strikers out there. they look for potential great talents and Lacazette has proved enough that he's worth the gamble. That being said, more than 20-25 millions is too much imo.
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