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Post by À bout de souffle on Sun Jul 05, 2015 4:23 pm

@urbaNRoots wrote:
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@El Gunner wrote:Then some fans want us to sign this joker choker Laughing

This is the number 1 thing I can think of right now. All the time I see Arsenal fans talking about "we need a WC striker" and then mention Higuain.

I would rather have Giroud, honestly.


Maybe because there are not many options better than Higuain in the market let alone world class. I would take Higuain over no one easily.


I'm gonna go against the tide here. And say that whilst his NT career is finished. He can still be a factor @ club level if he can get a bit leaner and meaner. He needs a change of scenery.
Like you said, he will get you 20+ goals despite his choking. A League is won by being better than your rivals against the lesser sides which constitute 3/4 of the table. He'll get you goals against them, no prob. Just don't play him against the title contenders, or what you deem as high pressure fixtures. :coffee:

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Post by farfan on Sun Jul 05, 2015 4:27 pm

btw, the " Average " Palacio was still better than any CF germany had in that WC Laughing
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Sun Jul 05, 2015 4:29 pm

@farfan wrote:btw, the " Average " Palacio was still better than any CF germany had in that WC Laughing


On paper, but he played like crap lol.
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Post by S on Sun Jul 05, 2015 4:31 pm

Paying €50-€60m for Higuain is just not worth it.Urban is sounding a bit desperate here.
I mean Arsenal dint deem him worth €40m when the last time they showed an interest in him.They obviously wouldn't pay a bit more to acquire him now.
He's been so-so with Napoli in his two yrs in Italy.I don't think he's the one Arsenal should be breaking the bank on.
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Post by À bout de souffle on Sun Jul 05, 2015 4:55 pm

Yeh, there's no need to break the bank. I only meant signing him up for a reasonable fee if it were possible.

Tbf to him, his stats are good for a Benitez' side that doesn't usually create much.
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Post by futbol on Sun Jul 05, 2015 4:56 pm

His choking is highlighted so Messi fanbois have someone to deflect the attention onto from Messi's own choking:

http://twitter.com/barcasstuff/status/617464502645321730

Scoring from that overhit pass from that ultra tight angle would have required more than world class finishing. Messi himself has produced misses from more clear cut chances in recent tournaments with Argentina. Just a few:

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And he would have missed from that position as well yesterday (if he actually bothered to move his ass into the box in the first place and wasn't such a mental midget in a blue shirt).

Tevez barely scores for Argentina. He averages less than 0.2 goals per game and also missed the decisive penalty in Copa 2011.

Agüero? Did he even play yesterday? Don't remember a single action from him.

Higuain is nothing special. He gives you about 20 goals in the league and you wouldn't bank your money on him in a big game, just like you wouldn't on Giroud and many other strikers of that caliber (yeah, remember DEM misses against Monaco Laughing), but hardly Argentina's main problem. The fact that Higuain actually has the best goal per game ratio for Argentina says it all. Laughing

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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Sun Jul 05, 2015 4:59 pm

How can you blame Messi for not being in the box when it was his pass which set up the opportunity in the first place Laughing

I'm no Messi fanboy but the haters on here make it hard to ignore it Laughing
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Post by futbol on Sun Jul 05, 2015 5:17 pm

@Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:How can you blame Messi for not being in the box when it was his pass which set up the opportunity in the first place Laughing

I'm no Messi fanboy but the haters on here make it hard to ignore it Laughing

Not literally in the same sequence of course. In general terms. His off the ball work has gone to 0 and I'm not talking about the defensive side. For Barca that's okay, one of Suarez or Neymar will finish in 9 out of 10 games. Higuain and Lavezzi won't. Then he has to mix his game up and do something else and not pass the ball to the left wing time and time again.

The Argentinian Hazard. Proud Gil has my full backing.

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Post by chad4401 on Sun Jul 05, 2015 5:19 pm

@fusball agreed stupid pass that extremely hard to finish is not higuain fault at all
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Post by ahmad25 on Sun Jul 05, 2015 5:23 pm

Would or should will not change anything.the fact is that higuain did everything wrong

He did two things .miss that chance and miss penalty. Messi also did two things.created that chance and scored penalty. How its comparable?

Also Higuain's misses were funny. In 2014 he sent the ball 5 m away in one vs one. Yesterday he agains sent it to the mars. And both happened in finals.so what you expect?
And higuain plays there for his finishing unlike messi who is more like playmaker+winger+false 9
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Post by chad4401 on Sun Jul 05, 2015 5:28 pm

@ahmad that rubbish its a bad pass, if it was messi missing that everybody would be blaming lavezzi fact

the penalty was awful true but players miss pens all the time even the ones with better composure

messi did a grand total of bleep all and that needs to b said instead of jumping on higuain, im the first person to even mention him as a choker, and that miss had nothing to do with choking
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Sun Jul 05, 2015 5:30 pm

Fußball wrote:
@Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:How can you blame Messi for not being in the box when it was his pass which set up the opportunity in the first place Laughing

I'm no Messi fanboy but the haters on here make it hard to ignore it Laughing

Not literally in the same sequence of course. In general terms. His off the ball work has gone to 0 and I'm not talking about the defensive side. For Barca that's okay, one of Suarez or Neymar will finish in 9 out of 10 games. Higuain and Lavezzi won't. Then he has to mix his game up and do something else and not pass the ball to the left wing time and time again.

The Argentinian Hazard. Proud Gil has my full backing.


Wake me up when Hazard does something of note outside the dross of the Premier League.
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Post by jibers on Sun Jul 05, 2015 5:32 pm

@chad4401 wrote:@ahmad that rubbish its a bad pass, if it was messi missing that everybody would be blaming lavezzi fact

the penalty was awful true but players miss pens all the time even the ones with better composure

messi did a grand total of bleep all and that needs to b said instead of jumping on higuain, im the first person to even mention him as a choker, and that miss had nothing to do with choking


This. Awful cross tbh. But I thought tap ins didn't matter though. The cognitive dissonance that takes place on this forum. Would make for a great psychology thesis.
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Post by À bout de souffle on Sun Jul 05, 2015 5:56 pm

@ahmad25 wrote:Would or should will not change anything.the fact is that higuain did everything wrong

Wrong.

- He held up the ball well.
- He made one probing run behind the defense where messi overhit the lob.
- He made a lay off to Lavezzi in the box.

It's really how you see it.

He did two things .miss that chance and miss penalty. Messi also did two things.created that chance and scored penalty. How its comparable?

What malarkey is this^? Laughing

Higuaín is a tier 2/3 striker and a first class choker, and will be remembered as such. Messi, on the other hand, is amongst the pantheon of all-time greats and contention for the GOAT.

Since when is Higuaín the standard for Messi's performances? rofl I sense desperation here.

For someone who's hailed as the greatest of his generation, for someone who wears the captain's arm band, for someone who vouches to bring glory to his NT, for 2 of the biggest games of his NT career his body language was poor, and showed zero hustle off the ball or any character.

Him showing his back during the shoot-out sums up his performances. Messi is the new Thiago Silva.

Today Higs is Messi's biggest alibi, tom it will be a diff kid wearing the albiceleste shirt.
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Post by ahmad25 on Sun Jul 05, 2015 5:58 pm

Yeah ok it was higuain who dribbled 2 players and set up mehsi and mehhhsi missed.then he scored only penalty and mehsi missed again

People talk as if messi doesnt get blame for his bad games. in the past after a bad game he was bombed after each game.he cant score in england.he cant score against italy teams.he is nothing without xaviesta and etc. Even now people say he is flop in argentina. What kind of blames is still available? If someone blames higuain once yeah lets change the topic and attack messi because its more interesting
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Post by À bout de souffle on Sun Jul 05, 2015 6:01 pm

You're just being a fanboi, sir. Next.
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Sun Jul 05, 2015 6:13 pm

I don't like how because someone has higher expectations his performances are treated differently irrelevant of the actual performance.

What happened to fighting for Equality Sad
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Post by RealGunner on Sun Jul 05, 2015 6:16 pm

Love how a thread becomes like a TV show and there are sub plots happening all over the place
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Post by urbaNRoots on Sun Jul 05, 2015 6:21 pm

@RealGunner wrote:Love how a thread becomes like a TV show and there are sub plots happening all over the place


This Portugal > Argentina sub plot has been going on for a couple of episodes right now, it's going nowhere despite the excellent performances of Moal/farfarce.
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Post by futbol on Sun Jul 05, 2015 6:21 pm

It's farcefan.

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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Sun Jul 05, 2015 6:23 pm

@urbaNRoots wrote:
@RealGunner wrote:Love how a thread becomes like a TV show and there are sub plots happening all over the place


This Portugal > Argentina sub plot has been going on for a couple of episodes right now, it's going nowhere despite the excellent performances of Moal/farfarce.


Disagree, the ratings are all time high on GLO.
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Post by sportsczy on Sun Jul 05, 2015 6:26 pm

You can miss...  as long as you make more than you miss in big games.  That's the big issue.  Pipita missed more than he makes.  As a poacher, that's really tough because you don't have other aspects to your game that can overcome these mistakes.

A lot of players at Madrid/Barca are overhyped and given unrealistic expectations...  it hurts them more than it helps because they believe the hype.  So instead of staying humble and really working hard at becoming better, they arrogantly believe they're already among the best.

That's why i really don't like to see kids that haven't proven themselves come to Madrid.  It's a black hole mostly. There are exceptions... but they're rare.
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Post by urbaNRoots on Sun Jul 05, 2015 6:30 pm

@S wrote:Paying €50-€60m for Higuain is just not worth it.Urban is sounding a bit desperate here.
I mean Arsenal dint deem him worth €40m when the last time they showed an interest in him.They obviously wouldn't pay a bit more to acquire him now.
He's been so-so with Napoli in his two yrs in Italy.I don't think he's the one Arsenal should be breaking the bank on.


Been waiting since van Nursie for a first choice striker, I don't only seem desperate, I am.

Every year it's the same, "Costa not.suited to our style of play",."Cavani too expensive", "Falcao high wages", "Higuain not worth it", basically everyone who is not Benzema is rejected by our fanbase for one reason. I am beyond caring at this point, any striker who has some quickness in him and can hit the target most of the time is welcome for me, nevermind 20-goal/season striker like Higuain.
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Post by BarrileteCosmico on Sun Jul 05, 2015 6:38 pm

Higgy won't get Arsenal the CL but is it really such a stretch to think that he might get them 10 more points a season? He might be a scrub killer but Arsenal lost points against Stoke, Swansea, Sunderland, Spurs, Everton, Leicester, Liverpool,  & Hull last season, most of them by a one goal difference or draws. If you're aiming for the title the small matches are just as important as the big.

That being said, I wouldn't pay more than 40m euros for him.
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Sun Jul 05, 2015 6:39 pm

The reason Arsenal didn't contend last year was because Wenger thought he was Ranieri for 6 months.
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Post by Kaladin on Sun Jul 05, 2015 6:40 pm

This Portugal > Argentina sub plot is better than Dorne imo
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