Barclay's Premier League '14-'15 discussion V9

El Cujo wrote:It's like people enjoy ignoring that if United had beaten the scrub teams they've lost to it wouldn't matter who Liverpool lost to, or City, or whoever. There's no point in focusing on results in that way.

The thing is that it's still possible for Liverpool to get top 4 if they win 2 of their last 3 (which should be doable). With the form United are in they could easily drop points in all three of their last games...neither of Palace or Hull away are easy fixtures anyway, and Arsenal are in fine form though they tend to roll over for United at OT.

Last 3 games for Liverpool 2w and a draw.
Last 3 games for United 2d and a loss.

Liverpool end on 68 points and United end on 67.

Though that's just wishful thinking since United have pulled themselves out of slumps any time Liverpool has come close to them this season.

thank you. I was starting to wonder if anyone on here understood football. we didn't miss out on 4th because we failed to beat west brom and hull. we didn't get 4th because we lost suarez and sturridge. the strikers we have did not come close to replacing them. half the players we signed have not performed like thay did from the clubs thay were signed from. injurys to defenders ment in the first half of the season we never had the same defence for 3 games in a row. the keeper had the worst 3 months ive ever seen from a keeper. and the team has really found scoring goals hard. so like ive been trying to tell what you can only call net ball fans. there is far more to it than 2 bad results. now working on the madness thay are talking. all we need to do next season to get top 4 is beat west brom and hull.

Well next year isn't relevant anyway because arguably as much as it pains most of us Man Utd will get better so the ability to catch them at this stage of the season after a poor season won't be there.

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Well next year isn't relevant anyway because arguably as much as it pains most of us Man Utd will get better so the ability to catch them at this stage of the season after a poor season won't be there.

Based on what, Mole? Falcao will be gone, RVP will be a year older, Wooney will be a year older and a stone fatter, the back four will still be completely useless, Ashley Young will get a contract extension etc.

Because they have a bottomless pit of money

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Well next year isn't relevant anyway because arguably as much as it pains most of us Man Utd will get better so the ability to catch them at this stage of the season after a poor season won't be there.

then its upto Liverpool and Rodgers to fix this seasons problems so we don't see them again next season.

I remember reading an article on Guardian last yr saying how they will surpass Madrid as the highest earning club when they get into the CL by 2017.

That alone would be an enormous achievement tbh.

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Because they have a bottomless pit of money

Dat endless supply of money for buys like Shaw, Smalling and Kagawa Or maybe they can get Ibra on loan and pay him 300k a week to warm the reserve's bench

Next edition of Deloitte money league would shed more light on that.

But as Lex pointed out, Man Utd do have, and have had, a squad overhaul due for a good while now.

Being back in CL places will definitely aid that process.

Though,Mole,Woodward is an incompetent sporting director.The last two seasons pretty much tell teh story.Lets hope they continue along with more idiotic buys that dont fit the system rather than finding players which suits it. /fingers crossed

S wrote:Though,Mole,Woodward is an incompetent sporting director.The last two seasons pretty much tell teh story.Lets hope they continue along with more idiotic buys that dont fit the system rather than finding players which suits it. /fingers crossed

Of course he is but sadly even the incompetent can look competent with that amount of money to burn.

The thing is early on in the season if you watched Liverpool it wasn't that they weren't giving themselves the opportunity to win games. They created a ton of scoring chances, generally more than the opposition and sometimes by wide margins, but the main problem all year has been finishing. Even in our unbeaten stretch that nearly took us to the top 4 the finishing was subpar but we were just creating so many scoring chances that SOME had to go in, and there were obviously moments of individual brilliance that aren't often replicated.

Even some points were lost though bad luck like Jagielka's ridiculous goal, or even some others that I don't specifically remember off the top of my head that would likely not be replicated, the non calls on 3 separate handballs by Chelsea in the box, etc. If last season was showing how everything could go right for Liverpool this year it seemed like, at least often enough and at crucial times, everything seemed to go wrong from missing sitters to getting scored on offside to Mignolet being in the worst form of his career when the team was playing well and then being in maybe the best form of his career while the team is playing like crap.

Next season if Rodgers can find a middle ground with some stability and then add goals I think they have a bigger chance of getting that extra leap in quality to push them into the top 4 than most other teams out there. With a quality striker and another player that can add goals (Memphis perhaps) it will be possible for them to leapfrog all of Arsenal, City and United pretty reasonably, and even Chelsea is not out of reach since a lot of young players at Liverpool will be getting better and be more experienced.

People thought Rodgers couldn't organize a defence, but really he was just playing to his teams strengths before and took a while to adjust to the lack of elite attacking quality. He took almost an identical midfield/defence combination and turned Liverpool into the best defensive team in the PL since the newyear. I think that Liverpool will be look at top 4 and contending for silverware next season as long as they address the goal scoring.

While on that topic, any idea on how? Buy a striker, or..?

(I can also drop into the summer transfers thread later in the pool section)

Lex wrote:

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Because they have a bottomless pit of money

Dat endless supply of money for buys like Shaw, Smalling and Kagawa Or maybe they can get Ibra on loan and pay him 300k a week to warm the reserve's bench

2 Fa cup finals in 10 years and the smugness comes back.lol.

You're talking about prem winners here and one potential future LB great. Justified buys.

And we'll spend money that the club generates on whatever it takes to take us to the next level, rather than focus on the top 4 trophy *hint, hint*.

RED wrote:

Lex wrote:

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Because they have a bottomless pit of money

Dat endless supply of money for buys like Shaw, Smalling and Kagawa Or maybe they can get Ibra on loan and pay him 300k a week to warm the reserve's bench

2 Fa cup finals in 10 years and the smugness comes back.lol.

You're talking about prem winners here and one potential future LB great. Justified buys.

And we'll spend money that the club generates on whatever it takes to take us to the next level, rather than focus on the top 4 trophy *hint, hint*.

At the end of the day, it is the money you guys are legit generating. And that, I think, is something to respect. Some of those deals are outrageous and unbelievable, but I guess SAF has ensured that United will remain yards ahead of others in the foreseeable future. That is a part of his legacy.

srigooner wrote:

RED wrote:

Lex wrote: Dat endless supply of money for buys like Shaw, Smalling and Kagawa Or maybe they can get Ibra on loan and pay him 300k a week to warm the reserve's bench

2 Fa cup finals in 10 years and the smugness comes back.lol.

You're talking about prem winners here and one potential future LB great. Justified buys.

And we'll spend money that the club generates on whatever it takes to take us to the next level, rather than focus on the top 4 trophy *hint, hint*.

At the end of the day, it is the money you guys are legit generating. And that, I think, is something to respect. Some of those deals are outrageous and unbelievable, but I guess SAF has ensured that United will remain yards ahead of others in the foreseeable future. That is a part of his legacy.

It's ridiculous amounts of money but that's football nowadays, prices have become inflated to ridiculous amounts. At the end of the day, if the club have the money and are looking to strengthen the club with it, I don't care.

RED wrote:

srigooner wrote:

RED wrote:

2 Fa cup finals in 10 years and the smugness comes back.lol.

You're talking about prem winners here and one potential future LB great. Justified buys.

And we'll spend money that the club generates on whatever it takes to take us to the next level, rather than focus on the top 4 trophy *hint, hint*.

At the end of the day, it is the money you guys are legit generating. And that, I think, is something to respect. Some of those deals are outrageous and unbelievable, but I guess SAF has ensured that United will remain yards ahead of others in the foreseeable future. That is a part of his legacy.

It's ridiculous amounts of money but that's football nowadays, prices have become inflated to ridiculous amounts. At the end of the day, if the club have the money and are looking to strengthen the club with it, I don't care.

Fair point. This is also why I see United closer to that super club bracket of Real-Barca-Bayern than Chelsea. Some people here, however, seem to think differently.

srigooner wrote:

RED wrote:

srigooner wrote:

At the end of the day, it is the money you guys are legit generating. And that, I think, is something to respect. Some of those deals are outrageous and unbelievable, but I guess SAF has ensured that United will remain yards ahead of others in the foreseeable future. That is a part of his legacy.

It's ridiculous amounts of money but that's football nowadays, prices have become inflated to ridiculous amounts. At the end of the day, if the club have the money and are looking to strengthen the club with it, I don't care.

Fair point. This is also why I see United closer to that super club bracket of Real-Barca-Bayern than Chelsea. Some people here, however, seem to think differently.

Yeah I read some of the posts. Deluded.

RED wrote:

srigooner wrote:

RED wrote:


It's ridiculous amounts of money but that's football nowadays, prices have become inflated to ridiculous amounts. At the end of the day, if the club have the money and are looking to strengthen the club with it, I don't care.

Fair point. This is also why I see United closer to that super club bracket of Real-Barca-Bayern than Chelsea. Some people here, however, seem to think differently.

Yeah I read some of the posts. Deluded.

Come now, I am sure it was just banter

srigooner wrote:While on that topic, any idea on how? Buy a striker, or..?

(I can also drop into the summer transfers thread later in the pool section)

Goals from anywhere will help, but a striker that can score with regularity will increase goal scoring everywhere on the team. Right now it's easy to shut the team down because our strikers can't score and if you crowd Sterling he doesn't seem to know what to do, and it leaves Coutinho as the only real creative threat but as a playmaker first there's nobody to really help out with the chances he creates (though his shooting is improving anyway).

Basically a striker that can score consistently will not only help by finishing the chances that Liverpool creates, but it will also open a bit more time and space needed for guys like Sterling, Lallana, Coutinho and even our midfielders to pot a few extra.

srigooner wrote:

RED wrote:

srigooner wrote:


Fair point. This is also why I see United closer to that super club bracket of Real-Barca-Bayern than Chelsea. Some people here, however, seem to think differently.

Yeah I read some of the posts. Deluded.

Come now, I am sure it was just banter

"If you're 7th in the league, you're not the biggest club"

-Louis van Gaal

'Big' is not specific enough.

Hapless_Hans wrote:

srigooner wrote:

RED wrote:


Yeah I read some of the posts. Deluded.

Come now, I am sure it was just banter

"If you're 7th in the league, you're not the biggest club"

-Louis van Gaal

From the same interview:

I have coached Barcelona, Ajax and Bayern Munich who are all No 1 in their country. Now I am at Manchester United which is No 1 in England.
‘I have never worked in the Premier League and that is a big challenge.

‘When I worked at Barcelona that was the best league. When I worked in Germany that was the best league. Now I work here maybe this is the best league.'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2696004/Louis-van-Gaal-says-Manchester-United-biggest-club-world.html#ixzz3ZCEZxwGJ

Hans wtf is the meaning of that sig

El Gunner wrote:Hans wtf is the meaning of that sig

I don't know, I chose it because looking at it makes me feel good.

What he meant to say was

Hapless_Hans wrote:

El Gunner wrote:Hans wtf is the meaning of that sig

I don't know, I chose it because looking at it makes me feel good. No homo