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Would you have taken Ashley Cole or Adebayor back?

I disagree completely with that. Can Fabregas play centre back? Can he play defensive midfield? Would his presence alone make the team more balanced and organized? The answer to those questions is "no".

Also, what would he bring to the team that we don't already get from Ramsey, Santi, Ozil and Alexis? Whether or not he's "better" is irrelevant since we've no issue creating or scoring goals.

El Gunner wrote:Fabregas is better than Wilshere and that's the heartfelt truth.

Cesc has more assist in half season than Jack entire carrier. Cesc is better than all our midfielders. We had this conversion many times, and I know we dont need him. I believe Wenger knows he made a mistake by not bringing him back. Whats done is done, he is nothing to me anymore.

People saying, Jack has not back stab us, just wait. No loyalty in football, we Arsenal fans should know that. I used to get too attached to our players, but not anymore. I just want whats best for Arsenal.

Jay has it spot on, and if you agree with him Raptor then you know it's not about him being better than anyone and you know you can't simultaneously acknowledge that we don't need him and say Wenger made a mistake not bringing him back.

He made a mistake not signing a DM and CB earlier and if he had then we'd probably be in better shape and there wouldn't be as many complaints about Fabregas. You'll only find that the bitterness over him is at it's highest when they're doing well or we're doing super crap. And on the days that both of those things are happening...

@El, I don't think we should put our egos above the needs of the team but in Fabregas' case you had someone who forced his way out, took a paycut and was in talks with Chelsea (I'm sure Wenger knew, he even said that when they asked if he knew he'd go to Chelsea, he said he told him to do what's best for his career) and you had Wilshere who had never really gotten enough time to develop without injury hacking him down when he was getting to his best (same this season).

I don't think Wilshere, someone who came through the academy, deserves to get shipped off for someone who didn't stand by the club, someone we could do without too. And whether Jack goes on to stab us in the back is irrelevant in this case, you can't blame or punish people for things they haven't done yet. You can't be disloyal to players who are loyal to you because you think that's how the world operates now. We do have some principles and I think letting Fabregas make his own choice wasn't an exercise of them, it was just not making an extravagant and unnecessary move for someone who wouldn't fill the holes we had/have in our squad.

Jay puts in a crucial point. If Fabregas was playing the way he were at Barcelona, nobody would have even batted an eyelid.

I have maintained since WC 2010 and the shenanigans after that Fabregas was not in the same top tier of Arsenal players for me, in terms of respect. That's not to say that I have that respect for Jack or Ramsey - they have dont nothing yet to deserve it.

I also don't get the Fabregas/Wilshere comparisons, given the different fitness and career trajectories they have been on. On talent and ceiling alone, I rate Jack pretty high, however.

When you have Özil playing centrally and fit for a full season (he's been injured 6 months since joining us, before that he had hardly ever been injured in his whole career, plus, half the time he played with us was without Walcott and Ramsey, two of our biggest goal threats) then you erase the need for Fabregas' vision.

And the fact of the matter is, a DM and CB would have upgraded us so much more than another AM, even if you rate him higher than Özil and Cazorla, he's definitely not so much better than them to have warranted investing money that would be diverted away from bringing in a DM and CB.

Ultimately, we didn't bring in the DM or the CB anyway.

Just wanted to thank you all for voting me pos of the year for the Arsenal section

Jay, Chum, Sri, Rapz, all equally deserving and great posters.

Here's to a successful year on the pitch and another great one on GL

You have been in my sig for a long time. It's a testament to how much I respect you as a poster, Habibi. Kudos, congrats and please keep contributing to our beloved section here

You are a pos though

Also, thanks for the show of recognition towards me by the rest of you, pretty nice to see that appreciation!

And finally, doff my proverbial hat to Jay, RG, Chum, Rapz, EL, Pecc, Anjl, Urban, Sina, Sam, djoe, 6unner, wilson, rev, rex, and the many others who have made this place such an integral part of my daily life over the years. Thank you all.

I wish we had more of Goalol, spyder, Iceman, Ali and those many other stalwarts who set the stage for what Arsenal section is today.

MJ wrote:Just wanted to thank you all for voting me pos of the year for the Arsenal section

Jay, Chum, Sri, Rapz, all equally deserving and great posters.

Here's to a successful year on the pitch and another great one on GL

Well deserved, congratulation.

I really dont know what I am doing on that list but 4th place is like a trophy.

So many great posters here, I am just happy to be here and learn from you guys.

Bah gawd Fourth Place Trophy ffs

srigooner wrote:You have been in my sig for a long time. It's a testament to how much I respect you as a poster, Habibi. Kudos, congrats and please keep contributing to our beloved section here

You are a pos though

Also, thanks for the show of recognition towards me by the rest of you, pretty nice to see that appreciation!

And finally, doff my proverbial hat to Jay, RG, Chum, Rapz, EL, Pecc, Anjl, Urban, Sina, Sam, djoe, 6unner, wilson, rev, rex, and the many others who have made this place such an integral part of my daily life over the years. Thank you all.

I wish we had more of Goalol, spyder, Iceman, Ali and those many other stalwarts who set the stage for what Arsenal section is today.

Sri for 2015 pos of the year

Players gave me advice on how to beat City, admits Arsene Wenger


http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/soccer/players-gave-me-advice-on-how-to-beat-city-admits-arsene-wenger-308591.html

That beautiful journalism

And Rapz falling for yet another sensationalist headline

srigooner wrote:That beautiful journalism

And Rapz falling for yet another sensationalist headline

MJ wrote:

El Gunner wrote:Fabregas is better than Wilshere and that's the heartfelt truth.

Wilshere hasn't stabbed us in the back to leave yet though.

Probably because there is nobody better than us that rates him high enough. It is not like any top team in the world has ever really been knocking on Arsenals door looking at him.

6unner wrote:

MJ wrote:

El Gunner wrote:Fabregas is better than Wilshere and that's the heartfelt truth.

Wilshere hasn't stabbed us in the back to leave yet though.

Probably because there is nobody better than us that rates him high enough. It is not like any top team in the world has ever really been knocking on Arsenals door looking at him.

Too cynical, there's been plenty of interest in the past three years, Barcelona were trying to tap him up just a couple of years ago. And I said yet anyway.

Arseblog reports that we might see 'black and gold' away kits and 'anthracite' third kits next season.

El Gunner wrote:Goalol is a GL legend ffs. Where is he.

He left the forum due to issues in personal life, RG told me sometime last year.