UK 2015 Elections

BarrileteCosmico wrote:

http://www.economist.com/news/britain/21644155-britain-bangladeshis-have-overtaken-pakistanis-credit-poor-job-market-when-they-arrived

Pretty soon they're going to take our high paying jobs too F*****g bangladeshi, how dare they do better in school than the rest of us.

Stay mad

Well I'm really chuffed for the Pakistanis that they are doing better academically than 10 years ago. I'd like it if they stopped producing so many child rape gangs though.

If you are referring to the Rotherham scandal, then you should know that most of those men were not born in England and specially not to the parents who were highly educated.

Rotherham doesn't particularly stand out in my mind. Anyone that isn't a multicultural bigot has been aware of these sex gangs existing all across the Midlands to the north of England for decades, I can't imagine how many cases there have been without prosecutions. I think it's unfortunate it took decades and thousands of rapes in one specific area alone for some people to take notice. Controversial as Nick griffin is, he called this shit out over a decade ago. I wonder who history will view better, him, or those that cared more about being politically fashionable and facilitated the group rapes of thousands.

Of course not all Pakistanis are like this, just the ones that have come over from backwards villages that treat girls even worse in their homeland (particularly Sikh and Hindu girls). But that doesn't make damn bit of difference to the girls, who wouldn't have been destroyed if this project didn't exist.

Well bleep, a report just emerged today that about 400 children were group raped in Oxfordshire. I remember that case from a few years ago, 7 men were convicted, most of which were Pakistani, "hundreds" more were suspected of being involved. I think the police estimated about 60 victims at the time, well they got that wrong.

Scandals like this illustrate pretty well how cynical politics have gotten.

Now the right wing will use them as an example to negatively portray all immigrants, and especially those that are either culturally affiliated with the accused in those cases, or at least look like them - so basically everyone a bigot might call a "Paki" - every brown person with a roughly asian background, it's ridiculous.

Just as ridiculous as the knee-jerk apologists from the left that will now defend each and every "different culture" as being basically the equal to an open, democratic society, and will blockade proper action and investigation for fear of the scandal being instrumentalized.

It's the same in most western countries with many sensitive issues. Both sides will just use the victims as ammunition in political struggles, it's disgusting, and it's counter-productive.

You can be tough-as-nails and come down with zero mercy on asshole rapists like this, and even kick them out of the country, without being a bigot.
Just like you should be able to point out that this isn't a problem intrinsic to immigration in general, without being an apologist.

Yet both sides will, this is my prophecy, fail in this.

The right wing, starting from the Tories and going right from there, will use this to brand all brown people as barbarians, to which the left, starting with Labour and going to the left from there, will try to tell us how this is just one huge misunderstanding and you can't go around judging all Asians because of this.

Both sides are missing the point.

Same thing is happening with the "islamophobia" debates in the US. It's ridiculous.

The left will blockade action because they can't get it into their thick heads that the world does not work how they think it should. Flat out denial of the problem is the only way they could justify not taking action, and that's exactly what they will continue to do. As I have just seen on a question program, it was put forward that 90+ % of these crimes are committed by one ethnic group, lefties response? IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CULTURE ALL CULTUREZ HAVE BAD PEOPLES!!!11

The scales will never fall from the eyes of some people, never.

You are saying labour will let the criminals walk away?

RG this is not a new problem and the criminals have already been getting away with it for more than a decade. And yeah, that was mostly under labours watch.

Yes, because everything was peachy for everyone under Thatcher's Tories, especially in the North. Bloody northerners love Thatcher.

DuringTheWar wrote:The left will blockade action because they can't get it into their thick heads that the world does not work how they think it should. Flat out denial of the problem is the only way they could justify not taking action, and that's exactly what they will continue to do. As I have just seen on a question program, it was put forward that 90+ % of these crimes are committed by one ethnic group, lefties response? IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CULTURE ALL CULTUREZ HAVE BAD PEOPLES!!!11

The scales will never fall from the eyes of some people, never.

And the right would heinously overreact because they think all immigrants are potential criminals.

It's not a new problem. Child exploitation has been going on for decades. But to say criminals walk away under just the labour government is quite silly since there is no evidence of that. If criminals were convicted and the crime proven, then there is no reason they would walk free.

The problem is detecting the crime. The oxford case went under the radar for a decade. Not because the criminals were never convicted, but because the crime was never seriously reported. Most of the girls exploited were considered 'difficult'. The problem was deep layered and the authority managing those girls were the main culprits of not seeing it years ago.

VivaStPauli wrote:Yes, because everything was peachy for everyone under Thatcher's Tories, especially in the North. Bloody northerners love Thatcher.

Don't see the relevance. In fairness to thatcher she was dealing with lunatics like Arthur scargill who only wanted to destroy the government.

VivaStPauli wrote:

DuringTheWar wrote:The left will blockade action because they can't get it into their thick heads that the world does not work how they think it should. Flat out denial of the problem is the only way they could justify not taking action, and that's exactly what they will continue to do. As I have just seen on a question program, it was put forward that 90+ % of these crimes are committed by one ethnic group, lefties response? IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CULTURE ALL CULTUREZ HAVE BAD PEOPLES!!!11

The scales will never fall from the eyes of some people, never.

And the right would heinously overreact because they think all immigrants are potential criminals.

When has the right in the UK done anything against immigrants akin to letting them be raped? Feel free to pick from any decade you want from the last 100 years.

RealGunner wrote: It's not a new problem. Child exploitation has been going on for decades.

Child exploitation has gone on since forever. Grooming gangs however are a specific form of child exploitation in the UK that is a distinctive phenomenon brought here by certain immigrants (and also second generation ones) that behave as if they have diplomatic immunity.

Do you know why there aren't White grooming gangs? White child abusers act on their own because they have to keep what they are doing a secret. Ask yourself how is it these Pakistanis feel they can be so open about what they are doing.

RealGunner wrote:
But to say criminals walk away under just the labour government is quite silly since there is no evidence of that. If criminals were convicted and the crime proven, then there is no reason they would walk free.

Yes, but the problem happens before that. The problem is that there are virtually no trials brought about.

RealGunner wrote:
The problem is detecting the crime. The oxford case went under the radar for a decade. Not because the criminals were never convicted, but because the crime was never seriously reported.

I have heard stories of parents begging the police for help. Ive read gangs picked up girls right outside social services. Ive read an account of police turning up at the scene and arresting the victim instead of the men that were with her. Worst of all is the story about two fathers being arrested for trying to get their daughters back from the gangs. There's no chance this was not seriously reported.

The media have also known for a very long time. A reporter called Andrew Norfolk exposed it in 2004 I think. Yet, they weren't putting much pressure on the authorities to act.

Strawman arguments, hearsay evidence, and several other fallacies... super.  Guess that's that debate done then as its clear you've no intention of actually engaging them.

We've come full circle to my earlier post where I explained why rational argument in politics is not a thing. Or rather how, not why.

RedOranje wrote:Strawman arguments, hearsay evidence, and several other fallacies... super.  Guess that's that debate done then as its clear you've no intention of actually engaging them.

Get a clue before you put your foot in it. That "hearsay" evidence is taken straight from the reports. It is all verifiable fact. As such I don't see why I should take the rest of your criticism seriously, kindly buzz off now.

I suppose "show me what the right have done akin to rape" could be construed as a strawman. I'm arguing against the premise that what the left fear is as bad as what, in VivaStPaulis words, they are blockading from being changed.

Here's the thing: rape is already illegal. This isn't a problem of the law, it's problem of it's execution. Yet it'll be turned into a debate where immigration will factor in for no reason, because, as mentioned, rape is already illegal. All those people should already be in jail. That's shoddy police work, not improper border patrolling.

It doesn't help that these crimes were covered up by weak, pathetic councils looking not to soil their good name by coming across as racist or xenophobic

Election debate tonight between 7 parties.

Can't wait till Farage makes a fool out of himself(not difficult) and Cameron gets destroyed.

Camerons banter chart is off the charts so he'll be fine





Voting for him just for this ffs

Country is safe in my hands.

lmfaoooo

Found the rest of it lmao

Makes more sense here

Can't lie that's gold ffs

Great wit.