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Post by Kick Thu Sep 18, 2014 12:53 am

It's not as bad as you're making it out to be, Shed.

Sure it's 2 points dropped, but we're no worse off, and we learned a lot from today.

Cesc is a liability in defence, Drogba is past it and should not start, Costa cannot play 3 games a week, Luis is a fantastic option and Ramires is finding decent form.

While I was annoyed at the result. We'll push on and get out of this group and our players will be largely rested for Sunday against City.

Not all doom and gloom.

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Post by Shed Thu Sep 18, 2014 1:03 am

If anything good can come out of it it's a wake-up call. Players being brought back down to earth very much a good thing, especially with such an important game coming up at the weekend. Buying into their own hype very much a danger for this lot; hopefully this will go a long way to preventing that.
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Post by Kick Thu Sep 18, 2014 1:07 am

There is that too.

The whole game felt like a preparation game for City, which, if it was, is a good sign as they'll be much better on the Weekend.
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Post by Shed Thu Sep 18, 2014 1:09 am

We shouldn't need a listless performance mid-week to ensure a good one at the weekend. No excuses.
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Post by Kick Thu Sep 18, 2014 1:11 am

I won't be bothered at all if we win on the weekend and still progress from the group.

No one will remember or care about this draw.
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Post by Shed Thu Sep 18, 2014 1:13 am

Nor will I, provided it's the first and only. Problem is, this is precisely the type of performance we made a trademark out of last season.
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Post by Kick Thu Sep 18, 2014 1:18 am

Yes, because we were playing Drogba.

I get the feeling we've learned from that.

Once Costa can play more, he will, Remy will probably get more gametime once he's settled in too.
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Post by Nedved Thu Sep 18, 2014 1:23 am

I agree wit Kick. We learned our lessons in this match. Mou is smart enough not to make same mistakes again.

We could have won this 3-1 - Drogba missed a tap in and another one with a poor first touch and a complicated finish. Not sure why Remy didn't come in after 60 mins. Drogba was painfully bad. He doesn't deserve another start, Remy does.

Fabregas against big teams should not play in pivot but play much further - as he did against Swansea in 2nd half.

I think we will play 4-3-3 against city. With Matic covering Fabrigas.

Iva----Terry----Cahil----Luis

----Ramires---Matic
                            --Fabrigas
---Oscar ---- Costa---Hazard
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Post by Kick Thu Sep 18, 2014 1:27 am

I think Willian over Oscar and potentially Oscar over Ramires would work.

Willian has a great engine and is quicker than Oscar, better for counter attacking.
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Post by Shed Thu Sep 18, 2014 1:32 am

The problem was about more than just Drogba. Although his place as a starter typifies what was.
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Post by Kick Thu Sep 18, 2014 1:43 am

I have a feeling we would have won had Costa started.

Hell, we would have won if Cesc buried his second chance.
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Post by Shed Thu Sep 18, 2014 1:49 am

I'm more angered by the fact that we were outplayed by a team with three quarters of their players injured. Let's not forget that we've also been outplayed for most of the game by Everton, most of the first halves against Leicester and Swansea - both at home, and even in patches by Burnley. Now, if we were as tight at the back as we were last season it wouldn't be as much of a problem/concern, but teams are having it too easy against us at the moment and better finishing by the opposition in just about all of those games could well have seen different outcomes.
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Post by Kick Thu Sep 18, 2014 1:54 am

We were hardly outplayed. If Drogba and Cesc buried their chances no complaints would be made. We just were not clinical enough today.

I don't know many teams that dominate 90 minutes every week.
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Post by Shed Thu Sep 18, 2014 1:59 am

Are you kidding? They were passing rings around us for long stretches.


Swansea should have been 3 or 4 up at the break.


Leicester were the better side going into the interval and had us on the ropes for long periods.


I'm hardly arrogant enough to expect us to be 100% flawless and completely steamroll any and all opposition without a hint of difficulty, but I'm also not going to pretend to be happy with the points I raised.


That said, it's still very early days and no one's quite at their best yet, and I'm willing, at least for now, to chalk it up to early-season rustiness and needing a bit more time to get fully into the groove of things.
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Post by Kick Thu Sep 18, 2014 2:01 am

They had two decent shots, all game, one of which went in.

Regardless of how many passes they made, they were barely on top of us at any stage.
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Post by Shed Thu Sep 18, 2014 2:03 am

Very true that they didn't create much, just that a better side, given that kind of freedom, would have.
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Post by Kick Thu Sep 18, 2014 2:07 am

But we weren't playing a better side.

You and I both know we'll play very differently come Sunday, thats just how Jose gets results, which I am fine with.
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Post by Shed Thu Sep 18, 2014 2:08 am

I hope you're right Kickster Wink
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Post by Kick Thu Sep 18, 2014 2:11 am

I have faith in Jose and I very much think he is putting emphasis on the PL, which would mean not losing to City.
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Post by Shed Thu Sep 18, 2014 2:16 am

Highlights & All Goals - http://tinyurl.com/pcfahnk
Full Match - http://tinyurl.com/o3cqsgd
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Post by Nedved Thu Sep 18, 2014 2:24 am

If we are playing 4-2-3-1 : Given Oscar's tackling is better than Ces I am not sure why Jose doesn't put him pivot. Oscar is also more creative than Ramires. This makes him a better choice than both in pivot. Willian naturally replacing Oscar on the right.

But with 4-3-3 against teams like city - we  need more men in the middle to deal with players like Yaya. That is where nasty Ramires comes in along with Matic covering Cesc. Cesc would look for diagonal passes like Alonso used to for Madrid/L'pool. Let see how we play.
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Post by Shed Thu Sep 18, 2014 2:44 am

fatman123 wrote:
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Thats actually quite impressive Shed, well done


Cheers for this fitster. I know with what immense difficulty it was said :coffee:

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Post by fatman123 Thu Sep 18, 2014 3:44 am

Trust me shed, you have no idea
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Post by Shed Thu Sep 18, 2014 3:54 am

Your efforts are noted and appreciated.


Perhaps I'll pay you a compliment too someday, when you actually do something around here :coffee:
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Post by Kaladin Thu Sep 18, 2014 10:50 am

Torres would've won you the game imo
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Post by fatman123 Thu Sep 18, 2014 12:45 pm

Shed wrote:Your efforts are noted and appreciated.


Perhaps I'll pay you a compliment too someday, when you actually do something around here :coffee:

El Shaarawy wrote:Torres would've won you the game imo


I dont even know where to begin
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