The new specialist of failure: mou has a 2 years losing streak...and counting

chelsea fans by far

Almost everyone knows Mou is a good manager. One of the best.. But people just are happy whenever he doesn't win because, frankly..he is an ass and goes out of his way to belittle and insult his competition. And the pitchfork wielding of sorts just comes with the territory of the constant feather ruffling of other clubs.

for example..Rafa Benitez is ALSO a good manager.. Secured a top 3 finish and won a european trophy yet that didn't stop Chelsea fans from hating his guts. So clearly people can have motivation for not liking a manager for reasons beyond their abilities to get results and can be 'illogical' or, whatever..

Donuts wrote:I'm having a hard time trying to figure out which set of fans in GL are more defensive.. liverpool or chelsea fans.

we conceded 50, defensive and Liverpool doesn't go together.

iftikhar wrote:

Donuts wrote:I'm having a hard time trying to figure out which set of fans in GL are more defensive.. liverpool or chelsea fans.

we conceded 50, defensive and Liverpool doesn't go together.

i mean the fans in this forum are more defensive and easily offended when it comes to anything related to their club..

Oh now its a "joke" when you're slapped with the bare truth


Hilarious lot

Since when has football banter ever been logical? Man talk about all give and no take from chelsea fans. Could you not say the same thing about A.W - breaking down the logic of the ridicule he incurs - only accepted as a "specialist in failure" due to the high standard he set himself through years of success, easy to forget his accomplishments during not far from a decade of success.

Anyway I digress, the point is Mourinho came out with an over the top and extremely disrespectful comment to a fellow manager, in the same year he ultimately failed to win anything. Did you really expect no one to take joy in this very obvious irony.

Pipe it down you butthurt fools and cop it (Shed + Barrett).

Peccadillo wrote:Since when has football banter ever been logical? Man talk about all give and no take from chelsea fans. Could you not say the same thing about A.W - breaking down the logic of the ridicule he incurs - only accepted as a "specialist in failure" due to the high standard he set himself through years of success, easy to forget his accomplishments during not far from a decade of success.

Anyway I digress, the point is Mourinho came out with an over the top and extremely disrespectful comment to a fellow manager, in the same year he ultimately failed to win anything. Did you really expect no one to take joy in this very obvious irony.

Pipe it down you butthurt fools and cop it (Shed + Barrett).

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Peccadillo

Peccadillo wrote:Since when has football banter ever been logical? Man talk about all give and no take from chelsea fans. Could you not say the same thing about A.W - breaking down the logic of the ridicule he incurs - only accepted as a "specialist in failure" due to the high standard he set himself through years of success, easy to forget his accomplishments during not far from a decade of success.

Anyway I digress, the point is Mourinho came out with an over the top and extremely disrespectful comment to a fellow manager, in the same year he ultimately failed to win anything. Did you really expect no one to take joy in this very obvious irony.

Pipe it down you butthurt fools and cop it (Shed + Barrett).

Butthurt is sticking the truth in your face?

One FA Cup and suddenly we're butthurt?


And its funny how Arsenal fans like to act like Wenger didn't bait Mou into making that comment. Like Mou came out with the comment out of nowhere. Talk about, to use your own words, "all give and no take". It only hurts when the other person's reply stings deeper, ehy?


Try to enjoy your victory without obsessing over Mourinho. Its not that hard.

Actually the comment was not directed at Mou only it was directed at Mou Rogers and Pelli who were all playing down their chances and Wenger said it's a way to deflect failure onto someone else.

Jeez these Chels fans, the joke is in the irony ffs

someone has to find Nick   

Spoiler:

How much longer do you intend to be butthurt Nick?

please check with any doctor if your butt is hurt

why should nick be butthurt????

Carlo has had more success in one season than Mou in his previous 3 put together (if that's what you are referring to)

Nick did not like Mou from the get go and his opinion of him has not changed at all

As for Mou, he only has himself to blame for calling Wenger a "specialist in failure" because he was always putting himself in a position to be ridiculed. This isn't the first thing people have laughed at, remember the "20th century" comment?? unless he stops the arrogant talk he will always be prone to these threads, twitter jokes, memes et al

looking forward to see the number in the thread title rise and rise.

halamadrid2 wrote:why should nick be butthurt????

Carlo has had more success in one season than Mou in his previous 3 put together (if that's what you are referring to)

Nick did not like Mou from the get go and his opinion of him has not changed at all

As for Mou, he only has himself to blame for calling Wenger a "specialist in failure" because he was always putting himself in a position to be ridiculed. This isn't the first thing people have laughed at, remember the "20th century" comment?? unless he stops the arrogant talk he will always be prone to these threads, twitter jokes, memes et al

I usually agree with you Hala, but this is utter bollocks. You know it as well. If Mou's Madrid had this Bayern the scoreline would have been higher. You are clearly bitter. Carlo flopped in the league and you are 3rd. You won a copa and if you lose the cl final he would have had a far worse season than Mou in his.

This is clearly personal for a lot of Madrid fans. Let's look at the differences. Mourinho came second and finished with more points. They reached the semis of the cl and won the copa against the greatest club side I have ever seen. Carlo promised attacking football and he parked against Barcelona. Barely scraped a win against the supposed weakest Barcelona in half a century, flopped in the league and coming 3rd in a 2 horse league, faced a far weaker team than Mou did in the semis. Ridiculous statement. Off the pitch I can agree, but on the pitch...silly comment.

Jibers wrote: If Mou's Madrid had this Bayern the scoreline would have been higher.

On what exact basis? Are we going to just discredit Ancelotti's plan to thwart Barca in that fashion? What can we actually collect from their disparity aside from Mourinho's success against possession teams, that he would have had a better scoreline vs Bayern? More than half of the tactical success' of Carlo vs Bayern were not even facets used or seen in Mourinho's Madrid.

Jibers wrote:You won a copa and if you lose the cl final he would have had a far worse season than Mou in his.

Not quite, considering Ancelotti has evolved upon numerous problems what has plagued Madrid tactically and is actually BUILDING something, rather than Mou's half-assed football. Mourinho finished second yet you conveniently forget that he did not have this Atletico to face-off versus and did not reach a CL final like Ancelotti.

Jibers wrote:This is clearly personal for a lot of Madrid fans.

For a man who disrespect their club traditions, values and ethos, I can understand why. This doesn't count when Mourinho used cheap village politics and drama to break up their dressing room, causing vendettas that exist to this day.

Jibers wrote:They reached the semis of the cl and won the copa against the greatest club side I have ever seen.

They reached the Semis by beating Tottenham and Lyon, an achievement for an under-achieving Madrid at that time. They reached the semis, and were beaten 1-3 agg. by Barca. And you and I know Pep's 3rd Barcelona were nowhere near what they were in his first two years.

Jibs wrote:Carlo promised attacking football and he parked against Barcelona

No, he did not. I guess that pales in comparison to the dearth and dank plans Mourinho put vs Barcelona in their own deep end. Nowhere did Carlo park vs Barca.

Barely scraped a win against the supposed weakest Barcelona in half a century wrote:

Neither did Mourinho last year versus a manager battling cancer and his bumbling assistant who's brain was in his chin. The gap was even greater...Oh yes, and he also did not have to face this Atletico.

flopped in the league and coming 3rd in a 2 horse league, wrote:

They got in a CL final, which evidently had Carlo deploying weaker fullback and attacks in order to optimize for the final. For clubs like Milan or Madrid, the league is peanuts in comparison to their actual goal. 2 horse league? Are we again forgetting Atletico?

faced a far weaker team than Mou did in the semis.

Speaking of what year? This? Carlo faced Pep's record breaking Bayern while Mou was thrashed by Klopp's Dortmund.

On the pitch, Mourinho formulated a short-term one dimensional counter plan which involved Mezut Oezil roaming horizontally like some advanced positioned Donadoni to find Cristiano, the player who was relied upon to save their ass continually. Ancelotti does not have Oezil let alone a proper CAM and has to deal with the absurd signing of Bale and a crap Isco to adapt his plans, playing football that is:

-Better
-More aesthetically pleasing
-Complete
-That is a blueprint that can be built rather than sustained
- Not reliant on one individual

He's had a better season than Mourinho's first and there's not much to disagree upon that. The trick is to look at the things he IS doing right.

So basically Carlos season is nothing to write home about because he supposedly met weak barca and weak bayern???

we lost the league in record points against a worse Barca team than this last season. We might have finished third on paper but we finished level on points with the second placed team and 3 behind the first. This was a weak season by both barca and real so I am not going to deny the "carlo flopped in the league" notion because he did. we only finished two points higher than a season marred with internal fights last season and couldn't beat our direct rivals once which is very poor. But other than that he has been very good

I agree this will be kind of a failure should we lose CL buy if we win then he will have equalled Mou's trophy tally in one season all the while doing it in a mighty impressive fashion brushing aside any team that came our way. Lets not forget that Real Madrid has never won a treble since 1969 so if he managed to win treble which was realistic until Valladolid/Celta crushed our hope he would've made history in his first season with Real Madrid. That is amazing whichever way you look at it

Again there is nothing to be butthurt about, we have done great this season eventhough we have been plagued with injuries. Mourinho is a great coach no doubt about that but make no mistake don't think there is a single Real Madrid fan who is "butthurt" when this season have been good and will be more than a success should we win LaDecima. We were never close to winning a double under Mou but he gave these players fighting spirits so I thank him for that

On what exact basis? Are we going to just discredit Ancelotti's plan to thwart Barca in that fashion? What can we actually collect from their disparity aside from Mourinho's success against possession teams, that he would have had a better scoreline vs Bayern? More than half of the tactical success' of Carlo vs Bayern were not even facets used or seen in Mourinho's Madrid.



Your bias knows no bounds. That Bayern team is exactly what Mourinhos Madrid was built to do. The problem with Mourinho was that he never played progressively against smaller sides. Mourinhos Madrid would have opened up that Bayern team just as well based on



Not quite, considering Ancelotti has evolved upon numerous problems what has plagued Madrid tactically and is actually BUILDING something, rather than Mou's half-assed football. Mourinho finished second yet you conveniently forget that he did not have this Atletico to face-off versus and did not reach a CL final like Ancelotti.


Yea, Atletico Madrid would not have won the league in that season, let's be honest here. Barcelona and Madrid have dropped off a level that they were at. They have started losing to teams more. The fact that this Barcelona can take La Liga to the wire is case in point. This tactical adjustments you speak off again mean zilch to me, he flopeed twice against Barcelona.

For a man who disrespect their club traditions, values and ethos, I can understand why. This doesn't count when Mourinho used cheap village politics and drama to break up their dressing room, causing vendettas that exist to this day.


I agree with this. They should come out and admit it instead of trying to make it out that they are discrediting Mou purely on his comments.

They reached the Semis by beating Tottenham and Lyon, an achievement for an under-achieving Madrid at that time. They reached the semis, and were beaten 1-3 agg. by Barca. And you and I know Pep's 3rd Barcelona were nowhere near what they were in his first two years.

Madrid reached the semis by beating a pathetic Schalke team and scraped it past a weakened BVB. Pep's 3rd Barcelona was easily his best. Now you are just chatting shit. SAF said it's the best team he has ever faced. Guardiola said that was the best iteration and a lot of the Barcelona players agree that was the peak as they had to play teams that were fully adapted to them and sat back a lot more. The 08/09 team faced teams that played them openly. Barcelona team in 10/11 was the closest team to perfection I have seen. Far better than their previous 2 seasons.


No, he did not. I guess that pales in comparison to the dearth and dank plans Mourinho put vs Barcelona in their own deep end. Nowhere did Carlo park vs Barca.


Carlo put players behind the ball for most of the second half and Bale scored that goal from essentially playing left back and did a kick and rush move. Please.

Neither did Mourinho last year versus a manager battling cancer and his bumbling assistant who's brain was in his chin. The gap was even greater...Oh yes, and he also did not have to face this Atletico.


Why are you talking about Mou last year? I am talking about Mous 1st season. He got more points and was facing a super team. He was facing the best team I have seen in my lifetime. Carlo comes 3rd to an apparently finished Barcelona that took the league to the last day.


They got in a CL final, which evidently had Carlo deploying weaker fullback and attacks in order to optimize for the final. For clubs like Milan or Madrid, the league is peanuts in comparison to their actual goal. 2 horse league? Are we again forgetting Atletico?


It is usually a 2 horse league. Atletico would not have won la liga in any of the other seasons. The reason they won it is because Barcelona and Madrid have dipped from their ridiculous levels were they were massing so may points. Both Madrid and Barcelona have the joint top points in la liga history. Let's assume Pathetico beat Barcelona twice last year, that's still 94 points.


Speaking of what year? This? Carlo faced Pep's record breaking Bayern while Mou was thrashed by Klopp's Dortmund.

On the pitch, Mourinho formulated a short-term one dimensional counter plan which involved Mezut Oezil roaming horizontally like some advanced positioned Donadoni to find Cristiano, the player who was relied upon to save their ass continually. Ancelotti does not have Oezil let alone a proper CAM and has to deal with the absurd signing of Bale and a crap Isco to adapt his plans, playing football that is:

-Better
-More aesthetically pleasing
-Complete
-That is a blueprint that can be built rather than sustained
- Not reliant on one individual

He's had a better season than Mourinho's first and there's not much to disagree upon that. The trick is to look at the things he IS doing right.

Yes, let's compare Peps Bayern to Barcelona 2011. They will fail at every turn. BVB had already raped them 3-0 and the pattern continued. Bayern were done once they won the league. Again you are bringing up last year, I am talking about Mous first season which Hala was comparing it to. Stop deviating. Mou faced Pepcelona at their peak and lost.

Specialist of failure?    If I didn't know him I would have thought that this guy had gone trophy-less for 3 or more seasons or didn't come close to winning anything during his period of "failure".

His last season at Madrid was terrible collectively. The team was in shambles due to poor transfer decisions from him during his entire stint ( never really solving the personnel and tactical problems despite an infinite war chest) , Madrid Prima Donnas acting up and the amounts of rifts in that dressing room was just laughable. ( He was responsible for this too )

I wonder if people really look at his stint at Madrid objectively; he didn't win every season but he won the league when Barca clearly were superior and had a stranglehold on La Liga ( despite losing it the season after when Real Madrid were theoretically favourites   ) and he broke your R16 hoodoo in the CL only to fall at the second-to-last hurdle 3 times . FFS you couldn't even get to the QFs at one point.   

As for Chelsea , the sole reason he lost the title this season was because of his caution and his inability to get results against the bottom half teams. It is that simple.

I expect him to win something for sure next season ; it is almost inevitable, historically, he's always been effective in his second season at the clubs he's been at and I expect that to continue. I'm not sure if anyone remembers but last June he said he feels Chelsea will win the title in his second season. So we'll see how that goes.   

halamadrid2 wrote:So basically Carlos season is nothing to write home about because he supposedly met weak barca and weak bayern???

we lost the league in record points against a worse Barca team than this last season. We might have finished third on paper but we finished level on points with the second placed team and 3 behind the first. This was a weak season by both barca and real so I am not going to deny the "carlo flopped in the league" notion because he did. we only finished two points higher than a season marred with internal fights last season and couldn't beat our direct rivals once which is very poor. But other than that he has been very good

I agree this will be kind of a failure should we lose CL buy if we win then he will have equalled Mou's trophy tally in one season all the while doing it in a mighty impressive fashion brushing aside any team that came our way. Lets not forget that Real Madrid has never won a treble since 1969 so if he managed to win treble which was realistic until Valladolid/Celta crushed our hope he would've made history in his first season with Real Madrid. That is amazing whichever way you look at it

Again there is nothing to be butthurt about, we have done great this season eventhough we have been plagued with injuries. Mourinho is a great coach no doubt about that but make no mistake don't think there is a single Real Madrid fan who is "butthurt" when this season have been good and will be more than a success should we win LaDecima. We were never close to winning a double under Mou but he gave these players fighting spirits so I thank him for that

Never said that. I was responding to this

halamadrid2 wrote:why should nick be butthurt????

Carlo has had more success in one season than Mou in his previous 3 put together (if that's what you are referring to)

That is utter BS.

The inability to understand the point of this thread is shocking

IRONY FFS IRONY

No one here is calling Mou a failure ffs he's clearly a success story in a number of countries but it's f*cking funny when you take the piss out of someone for not winning and they go and win something and you win nothing in the same season.

Especially when you have a penchant for being a disrespectful prick, insulting anyone you can.

Not nearly as funny as his 18th century football comment though  

Your bias knows no bounds. That Bayern team is exactly what Mourinhos Madrid was built to do. The problem with Mourinho was that he never played progressively against smaller sides. Mourinhos Madrid would have opened up that Bayern team just as well based on

Again. 0 anecdotal evidence backing the claim that he would have done the same considering Ancelotti used different facets in this side that Mourinho did not even bring up. Correlation=/=Causation.

Bias? You've had it in for Madrid since Carlo joined, even backing up a manager who you dislike with a team you did not praise until the incidentals changed. Calling pot and kettle on this.

Yea, Atletico Madrid would not have won the league in that season, let's be honest here. Barcelona and Madrid have dropped off a level that they were at. They have started losing to teams more. The fact that this Barcelona can take La Liga to the wire is case in point. This tactical adjustments you speak off again mean zilch to me, he flopeed twice against Barcelona.

Does not matter if Atletico would win the league or not. They are much stronger than they were last year and a far better team and unit than what Mourinho put together in his 3 years of failure; putting a better challenge. They start losing to teams more since La Liga has adapted to Barca's cycle of play along with Madrid's current unit cycle to which is natural in a league; not counting the fact that the league has grown stronger from bottom up and the talent more thinly spread. EL results and team observation leaves no room for saying otherwise.


Flopped his first match yet was was not even playing anything close to his deployed system now while Tata went with his hash readjustments just for results, hence why he is out the door while Carlo is still building. 2nd match? Mallenco the referee flopping does not equate to Real Madrid flopping...at all.

Madrid reached the semis by beating a pathetic Schalke team and scraped it past a weakened BVB. Pep's 3rd Barcelona was easily his best. Now you are just chatting shit. SAF said it's the best team he has ever faced. Guardiola said that was the best iteration and a lot of the Barcelona players agree that was the peak as they had to play teams that were fully adapted to them and sat back a lot more. The 08/09 team faced teams that played them openly. Barcelona team in 10/11 was the closest team to perfection I have seen. Far better than their previous 2 seasons.

How are Schalke shit? They finished third in their own league. Weakened BvB? Well it certainly was better than the thrashing Mourinho got in last years semis.

I don't care what SAF said considering he got his ass handled the first time around as well. Far as I'm concerned that year was not Barca's best considering they're level of play was far more dominant in their first two; though this is subjective. Yet what is important is that Mourinho did not do anything versus that Barca outside losing 1-3 in the Semis, getting his ass handed in the league and only winning the Copa off a Barcelona who were fatigued. Fantastic achievement and excuse for his failure.

Mourinho faced such great teams in the CL right?

His first season had a group with Milan in Allegri's first year as its only strong opponent.

Then the MIGHTY Lyon followed by Redknapp's Spurs.

Then getting outplayed in the semi-finals by Barca 1-3 agg.

2011-12

A group composed of Lyon-Ajax and Zagreb. Frightening wasn't it?

They than face CSKA *bleep* Moscow followed by the legendary APOEL.

Semis? Get beaten by Osram's Bayern, which essentially dispels the notion of him destroying Bayern, tactical differences or not.

2012-13

A group with Dortmund, a perennially flopping City and Ajax in the worst form of their season.

Beat Manchester United via a red card.

Face the mighty Galatasaray

Get thrashed by Dortmund in the semis....Noticing a trend here?

Carlo put players behind the ball for most of the second half and Bale scored that goal from essentially playing left back and did a kick and rush move. Please. wrote:

Whilst missing chances, adhering on how to beat Barcelona and winning the Copa Del Rey subsequently. Played far more progressively than Mourinho's Madrid.

Why are you talking about Mou last year? I am talking about Mous 1st season. He got more points and was facing a super team. He was facing the best team I have seen in my lifetime. Carlo comes 3rd to an apparently finished Barcelona that took the league to the last day.

Got more points in a La Liga that was not as strong as it is now if we count the better relegation teams, far better mid-table teams and Atletico Madrid. Again, your coming up with excuses in losing in such pathetic fashion to Barcelona in the league and CL. Pellegrini with less resources and the beginning of this cycle fared far better versus Barcelona in his first year.

Barca finished 2nd yes only by goal difference (+1 point) and are focusing on the CL final. Mourinho post semi-final was formulating peasant politics to disrupt Pep's final via mindgames or whatever the hell he does.

It is usually a 2 horse league. Atletico would not have won la liga in any of the other seasons. The reason they won it is because Barcelona and Madrid have dipped from their ridiculous levels were they were massing so may points. Both Madrid and Barcelona have the joint top points in la liga history. Let's assume Pathetico beat Barcelona twice last year, that's still 94 points.

It usually is, yet NOT this year. Saying Atletico would not have won other years is not supported especially considering they're style of play would have adapted well in theory versus Pep's Barcelona and definitely Mourinho's Madrid. Barca may have dropped in form given the end of their cycle yet how have Madrid? This Madrid simply is better than Mourinho's Madrid in all his 3 years, simply conceding the league in the final matchdays for obvious reasons regarding fatigue and a greater focus on La Decima.

Yes, let's compare Peps Bayern to Barcelona 2011. They will fail at every turn. BVB had already raped them 3-0 and the pattern continued. Bayern were done once they won the league. Again you are bringing up last year, I am talking about Mous first season which Hala was comparing it to. Stop deviating. Mou faced Pepcelona at their peak and lost.

I am not deviating from the fact that Mourinho in 3 years of absurd expenditure, time and politics built absolutely *bleep* all; hence why he was thrown out on his ass. His tenure was a failure, so far Carlo's is a success trophy or not given the milestones they've reached on a tactical and observational level. Mourinho never had to prepare for a CL final in Madrid, nor did he use youth, build a system for future use or even change his rinse n' repeat one dimensional cockshow playbook. Yes Mourinho lost, he came in to usurp Barca and failed.

IF Carlo loses the CL Final, this year will only be better than Mou's 3rd season.  Mou's 2nd season was incredible and we're nowhere near close to that level...  Mou's first season would be better than this one too.

We finished this season only 2 points better then Mou last year and +6 in GD... and we can all agree that the league season was poor for Madrid last year.  I think our league season was equally poor this season.

CDR is nice...  but i think people know that i don't really rate any competition other than CL and league.

CL is where Carlo has done really well and i hope we finish it off.  

So when you get right down to it, Carlo has done as i expected:  Underachieve in league play due to bad player and early tactical management and great play in cup competitions.

sportsczy wrote:IF Carlo loses the CL Final, this year will only be better than Mou's 3rd season.  Mou's 2nd season was incredible and we're nowhere near close to that level...  Mou's first season would be better than this one too.

We finished this season only 2 points better then Mou last year and +6 in GD... and we can all agree that the league season was poor for Madrid last year.  I think our league season was equally poor this season.

CDR is nice...  but i think people know that i don't really rate any competition other than CL and league.

CL is where Carlo has done really well and i hope we finish it off.  

So when you get right down to it, Carlo has done as i expected:  Underachieve in league play due to bad player and early tactical management and great play in cup competitions.

This is what I was getting at. Yet Arq has felt the need to write an essay and veer off course like a captain on drugs. That is all. Hala said the opposite and that is why I called him out.

Carlo does in one season that Mourinho failed to do in three.

Specialist in failure.