Re: El Clasico: Real Madrid vs Barcelona discussion

by Onyx Sun Mar 23, 2014 11:36 pm

danyjr wrote:
Yohan Modric wrote:Rayo Vallecano had more possession than Barca.
Yeah and they lost 6-0. You want that?

Yeh but it's not just against Barca we sat back. It's against every team who plays possession.

by BarrileteCosmico Sun Mar 23, 2014 11:39 pm

Video of the Busquets vs Pepe incident (poor quality)

https://vine.co/v/MMFUebFhUdr

by Mr Nick09 Sun Mar 23, 2014 11:39 pm

you need to give up that shit about possession MT, it's getting boring. We are not doing that, it's as simple as that. You cant keep complaining about something we never do as if someone promised you that we would because barca 2.0 and try to dominate the ball no matter what.

by Le Samourai Sun Mar 23, 2014 11:40 pm

I have calmed.

Good game until the Neymar dive, proud of Real Madrid, we dominated them fools. I would like to retract all wishes of injury I showered upon various Barcelona players in chat, may their only sorrow be the nightmares they have trophyless at the end of the year.

We'll rape you in Copa.

by Onyx Sun Mar 23, 2014 11:40 pm

Arquitescu wrote:
Yohan Modric wrote:Rayo Vallecano had more possession than Barca. Plus 67% is way too much to concede at home. It's possible to get at least 45%.

You're not counting the areas where Rayo received possession nor the key moments in which possession was necessary for Rayo as looking purely at the number is not wise to judge the match.

Real Madrid aren't brimming with possession-based players as many of them would not respond half as well to what they do with Carlo's currently more dynamic system.

How do we manage to play possession against 80% of teams if we don't have the players for it? It was Ancelotti who said he would play possession, yet he abandons the philosophy against teams who play possession. Would it not be better to stick to one style, especially considering we aren't the best defensively?

To me it's starting to seem he's getting outplayed, rather than being dynamic.

by The_Badger Sun Mar 23, 2014 11:42 pm

Mr Nick09 wrote:Ronaldo in his profound dumbness will be suspended for his comments against the ref. You would think that players learn but no

I can understand the players on the end of a defeat have difficulty holding their tongue when questioned immediately after a match. I believe due to this, the governing bodies should show a little leniency.

by DuringTheWar Sun Mar 23, 2014 11:42 pm

BarrileteCosmico wrote:Video of the Busquets vs Pepe incident (poor quality)

https://vine.co/v/MMFUebFhUdr

ha, so after all that excuse making it turns out it was intentional

by chad4401 Sun Mar 23, 2014 11:43 pm

mt before barca tiki taka, did you ever think it was possible to win games in a different manner? not everything is about possession we were win with 33% so calma.

by Le Samourai Sun Mar 23, 2014 11:45 pm

@barcastuff 14m
Video: Busquets trips on Real Madrid's Pepe's head in row after Barcelona goal http://vine.co/v/MMFUebFhUdr [via @christiandiez] #fcblive #clasico

You gotta love it rofl

by Mr Nick09 Sun Mar 23, 2014 11:49 pm

best clasico i have seen in a while tho, Barca and madrid were evenly matched till the red card.

by Casciavit Sun Mar 23, 2014 11:50 pm

Is Ronaldo going to get banned over his post match comments?

by Onyx Sun Mar 23, 2014 11:50 pm

chad4401 wrote:mt before barca tiki taka, did you ever think it was possible to win games in a different manner? not everything is about possession we were win with 33% so calma.

At this point, I don't really mind how we win, since we're desperate to win trophies. However abandoning a set philosophy in certain matches doesn't really seem right.

In the Mourinho era, it was the same thing. Our lack of possession play in big games let us down.

It seems as if Ancelotti is getting outplayed against superior possession sides, rather than him intending for us to concede possession and him being dynamic.

by Le Samourai Sun Mar 23, 2014 11:51 pm

Mr Nick09 wrote:best clasico i have seen in a while tho, Barca and madrid were evenly matched till the red card.

I thought we were better, however, I do concur with the former.

by Casciavit Sun Mar 23, 2014 11:52 pm

Did Ancelotti ever mention that he would play 'possession' ? I do remember him saying Madrid would focus on retaining the ball high up the pitch, which is what you guys did before the red card.

Anyways, you need to get the whole possession crap out of your head Johan. No team actually plays a possession based style except for Bayern and Barca.

Only reason you have a lot of possession against smaller teams, is because they sit back and counter.

Carlo has never been that type of coach, in fact his Milan side were more known for their brilliant counter attacking rather than there ability to break down the opposition.

by Blue Sun Mar 23, 2014 11:55 pm

Even though Barca won i feel Madrid is the better team. The Alonso tackle in the box was plain stupid, and Ramos red card was another.

Good entertaining game.

by Fuchsteufelswild Sun Mar 23, 2014 11:57 pm

https://vine.co/v/MMFUebFhUdr

He was slowly walking over him. You can only see the part where he actually steps on him though. Clearly intentional.

by Onyx Sun Mar 23, 2014 11:57 pm

Casciavit wrote:Did Ancelotti ever mention that he would play 'possession' ? I do remember him saying Madrid would focus on retaining the ball high up the pitch, which is what you guys did before the red card.

Anyways, you need to get the whole possession crap out of your head Johan. No team actually plays a possession based style except for Bayern and Barca.

Only reason you have a lot of possession against smaller teams, is because they sit back and counter.

Carlo has never been that type of coach, in fact his Milan side were more known for their brilliant counter attacking rather than there ability to break down the opposition.

Yeh he's said it in plenty of interviews and press conferences.

by Mr Nick09 Sun Mar 23, 2014 11:58 pm

Carlo said he would take the get to barca in midfield and try to push the pace to our advantage. That's what he meant by control, but since people's understanding of control is by the statistic of possessions, you can expect some confusion.

by harhar11 Sun Mar 23, 2014 11:59 pm

DuringTheWar wrote:
BarrileteCosmico wrote:Video of the Busquets vs Pepe incident (poor quality)

https://vine.co/v/MMFUebFhUdr

ha, so after all that excuse making it turns out it was intentional

?

He is being held on by Diego Lopez, while he is actually trying to stop the fight. And at no point is he looking at Pepe´s head.

by Le Samourai Mon Mar 24, 2014 12:01 am

I agree, clearly a foul on Busquets. Pepe should have seen red,

by Fuchsteufelswild Mon Mar 24, 2014 12:01 am

harhar11 wrote:
DuringTheWar wrote:
BarrileteCosmico wrote:Video of the Busquets vs Pepe incident (poor quality)

https://vine.co/v/MMFUebFhUdr

ha, so after all that excuse making it turns out it was intentional

?

He is being held on by Diego Lopez, while he is actually trying to stop the fight. And at no point is he looking at Pepe´s head.

lol.

He slowly walked over him. That video is not all of it. He knew exactly where Pepe's head was.

by DuringTheWar Mon Mar 24, 2014 12:03 am

harhar11 wrote:
DuringTheWar wrote:
BarrileteCosmico wrote:Video of the Busquets vs Pepe incident (poor quality)

https://vine.co/v/MMFUebFhUdr

ha, so after all that excuse making it turns out it was intentional

?

He is being held on by Diego Lopez, while he is actually trying to stop the fight. And at no point is he looking at Pepe´s head.

What are the chances he didn't know he was there? what are the chances he couldn't easily avoid him?

Ive debated with you before about decisions like this and I already know your bias stops you from seeing sense. So, those were rhetorical questions I asked, I don't want a dumb debate about this

by mzamani Mon Mar 24, 2014 12:04 am

mzamani wrote:Win for Madrid ends the season really, somehow I see Barca winning this game with some controversy (we haven't had one in a while, so I hope something happens). we need that drama

Called it!

by huntsman Mon Mar 24, 2014 12:08 am

When you dominate and still lose, what it could mean?
Luck, possibly but perhaps its more to do with the brilliance of an exceptional talent and the failure of a manager or a mentor to steer his players towards victory.

by Onyx Mon Mar 24, 2014 12:13 am

Yohan Modric wrote:
Casciavit wrote:Did Ancelotti ever mention that he would play 'possession' ? I do remember him saying Madrid would focus on retaining the ball high up the pitch, which is what you guys did before the red card.

Anyways, you need to get the whole possession crap out of your head Johan. No team actually plays a possession based style except for Bayern and Barca.

Only reason you have a lot of possession against smaller teams, is because they sit back and counter.

Carlo has never been that type of coach, in fact his Milan side were more known for their brilliant counter attacking rather than there ability to break down the opposition.

Yeh he's said it in plenty of interviews and press conferences.

Ancelotti:

Abiding by the San Siro pact, Ancelotti will not criticise Mourinho but he does say of his own task at Madrid: “The goal is to play football a little bit differently, because the culture of this club is to play” – he blows out his cheeks, searches for the right word – “spectacular football. The supporters here are exigent. They don’t like to see counter-attack. They like to see a team that has control of the game, with possession. We are trying to follow the history, the tradition of the club.”

“Our [play] isn’t excellent because we have changed the philosophy a little with respect to the system used last season – one in which the team played more on the counter attack.

“We have tried to restore a more possession-based style with the ball played along the ground. Barça have had the same philosophy for many years. Atlético’s is different but they too have spent a while playing with the same system.”

Why has Madrid played so badly? How do you want Madrid to play?

We changed some things, we are trying to play more possession. Use the two pivots, use ground passes, try to get the ball between the lines. All this involves a mechanism that has to be natural. The movement between two players is not there naturally, so we need time. The last few games were not as bad. Against Malaga, we played very well because we recovered the ball quickly, pressed high… things that we didn’t do in the first half against Barca. The strategy was to press high, when Valdés had to put the ball long, every time we win the ball in the air. The attitude of the team was not as good for that reason. In the first half, Barca had more possession, but in the second half it was different.

by McAgger Mon Mar 24, 2014 12:24 am

Iniesta is genius ffs :bow:

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