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Post by chad4401 Mon 24 Mar 2014 - 17:40

anyway benzema is a tier 1 striker imo, i know most of gl can't rate players to save their lives, cause media and trends decides for them, i bet money if we cut benz and paste suarez in the clasico, the wanking would've been legendary, i have seen it enough time to make that a fact.

benzema on form filled with confidence is just as good as suarez minus the dribbling.

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Post by RedOranje Mon 24 Mar 2014 - 19:31

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Suarez has 6 goals in 24 games against the rest of the top 4 and 1 in 6 against Man Yoo before the other week and lets be honest he didn't look like scoring till Vidic got sent off either.

It's no myth lol, he may still perform in other ways but he doesn't keep up his goalscoring against the best that much is clear.
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Gil wrote:Stop bumping this poverty thread until he shows up against an elite team.

13/14
Tottenham 0-5 Liverpool :: 2 goals and 2 assists
Everton 3-3 Liverpool :: 1 goal
Liverpool 4-0 Everton :: 1 goal and 1 assist*
Liverpool 5-1 Arsenal :: 1 assist*
Arsenal 2-1 Liverpool :: 1 penalty won*
ManUtd 0-3 Liverpool :: 1 goal and 1 penalty won*


12/13
Liverpool 2-2 Chelsea :: 1 goal and 1 assist
Liverpool 3-2 Tottenham :: 1 goal
Liverpool 3-1 Zenit :: 2 goals
Arsenal 2-2 Liverpool :: 1 goal
Chelsea 1-1 Liverpool :: 1 goal
Everton 2-2 Liverpool :: 1 goal
Liverpool 2-2 ManCity :: 1 goal

11/12
Liverpool 2-1 Everton :: 1 goal (FA Cup Semi-final)
Liverpool 3-0 Everton :: 2 assists
ManUtd 2-1 Liverpool :: 1 goal
Everton 0-2 Liverpool :: 1 goal
Arsenal 0-2 Liverpool :: 1 goal

10/11
Liverpool 3-1 ManUtd :: 1 assist but created all 3 goals with an outstanding display

*Added matches played since.

To revisit (and hopefully kill off) this suggestion that Suarez fails to perform/score in big matches here are a few stats courtesy of The Bib Theorists:

Under Rodgers in the PL:

Against Top 6:
19 starts.
11 matches with goals.
53%


Against Rest of League:
38 starts
20 matches with goals.
53%


4 Starts vs Arsenal
1 Goal vs Arsenal


3 Starts vs Chelsea
2 Goals vs Chelsea


3 Starts vs ManCity
1 Goals vs ManCity


3 Starts vs ManUtd
1 Goals vs ManUtd


3 Starts vs Everton
3 Goals vs Everton


3 Starts vs Spurs
3 Goals vs Spurs

tl;dr
Mole is wrong... again.
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Post by sportsczy Mon 24 Mar 2014 - 20:47

so now you're including previous years. That's convenient. Let's just talk about this season, which is what everyone is talking about.

Against the current top 4.... 0 goals in 6 games

Spurs and Everton.... he has 4 goals in 3 games

He's scored 18 of his EPL goals against Sunderland, West Brom, Fulham, Norwich, West Ham and Cardiff, who are 6 of the bottom 8 teams in the league.

8 of his 28 goals have happened since the turn of the CY with 3 of them coming against Cardiff.

I'm not saying Suarez isn't a great striker or that he doesn't contribute anything other than goals... because he does both. But he's not much of scorer this year against the top sides or even the top half of the table when you dig in a little bit.

I personally feel that Suarez was better last season than this one... but maybe that's just me.
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Post by farfan Mon 24 Mar 2014 - 20:54

i don't think scoring against the " top " teams is mandatory to validate a good season, it's anecdotal imo.

chamakh scored a world class goal against chelsea and suarez didn't , so what?
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Post by sportsczy Mon 24 Mar 2014 - 21:13

I think it separates the elite from the very good... that's my point. When you play top teams or CL, you're playing against the best players, best defenders, best schemes, etc. And there's added pressure. If you're going to be WC, that's when you show it.

That said, i want to emphasize that it's not that Suarez hasn't contributed this year in those games... he has. But his scoring hasn't been there.
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Post by LeBéninois Mon 24 Mar 2014 - 21:28

sportsczy wrote:I think it separates the elite from the very good... that's my point.  When you play top teams or CL, you're playing against the best players, best defenders, best schemes, etc.  And there's added pressure.  If you're going to be WC, that's when you show it.

That said, i want to emphasize that it's not that Suarez hasn't contributed this year in those games... he has.  But his scoring hasn't been there.  

If Suarez 2014 is not a WC striker then there are even 5 WC strikers out there.
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Post by chad4401 Mon 24 Mar 2014 - 21:52

Laughing so why is suarez cy 2014 WC and benzema isn't?
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Post by sportsczy Mon 24 Mar 2014 - 21:56

i don't think there's a pre-determined number to it. Ibra is one for sure. Falcao too before he got injured (he's clutch in big games). RVP and Rooney were... but not this year for various reason. Aguero, Suarez, Cavani, Lewandowski and Benzema are right on the verge of becoming one. Each has their own issues. Since this is a Benz thread... i'll tell you what's missing for him: He's been outstanding since January. Better than CR7 and Bale both in the last 3 months imo. If he can sustain this for a full year and perform in most of the top games, then he's achieved WC status.
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Post by chad4401 Mon 24 Mar 2014 - 22:29

agreed but my real point was gl obvious bias towards certain players some earned like cr and messi, and others is just strictly hype, suarez for example great player maybe WC, yet due to the hype of playing in the epl he is rated a lot higher than he should be(ibra level/tier 1), like a lot of players who played in that league imo.

if costa was scoring at the same rate like he is now but in the epl he would be rated a lot higher also. lets not forget about that scrub balotelli does bleep all game/season scores a stunner, cue BS about his talent blah blah WC blah blah just BS all due to hype.
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Post by LeBéninois Mon 24 Mar 2014 - 22:37

chad4401 wrote:Laughing so why is suarez cy 2014 WC and benzema isn't?

Benzema is WC imo
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Post by chad4401 Mon 24 Mar 2014 - 22:54

Bénin wrote:
chad4401 wrote:Laughing so why is suarez cy 2014 WC and benzema isn't?

Benzema is WC imo

its not really about that, its arguments about suarez(kun,cavani,higuain etc) is way better than him, or on another level based off nothing, their conversion rate, passing,vision and creativity are debatable when both are playing at a high level, i will give suarez dribbling and trickery cause he is better at it and that not benzema job its cr and bale, but i have seen him fake out a couple teams when he feels like it.

Im not demanding that he get recognised just stop putting him lowest of low in all categories when he is obviously more talented and better than a lot of forwards and players in general.
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Post by farfan Wed 23 Apr 2014 - 21:29

benzema , " the mental midget "  " the clown "  " the girl you can't count on in big games "  with a goal  and what should've been a glorious assist if it weren't for the biggest choker in football : ronaldo.
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Post by danyjr Wed 23 Apr 2014 - 22:38

I don't like saying it but I've seen a a couple of world class matches by him recently.  Thumbs up 
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Post by Zealous Wed 23 Apr 2014 - 22:51

Huge goal, gracias Karim Molenation

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Post by Onyx Wed 23 Apr 2014 - 22:53

0.58 - Karim Benzema has scored 36 goals in 62 Champions League games, best ratio of any French player (min. 10 goals).

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Post by EarlyPrototype Wed 23 Apr 2014 - 23:03

BC, Benz did a lot more than just score a tap in.
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Post by El Gunner Wed 23 Apr 2014 - 23:05

danyjr wrote:I don't like saying it but I've seen a a couple of world class matches by him recently.  Thumbs up 
Bro, who's that chick in your avi?
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Post by Juveman17 Wed 23 Apr 2014 - 23:09

Benzema Proud
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Post by M99 Thu 24 Apr 2014 - 11:06

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Post by Mamad Fri 25 Apr 2014 - 17:27

Bow down to the ultimate big game player  :bow: 

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Post by Gil Wed 7 May 2014 - 22:58

Joke player. No surprise he came up short when Bale and Ronaldo didn't play.
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Post by Onyx Wed 7 May 2014 - 22:59

He's been awful in the past 2 games. So slow. :facepalm:

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Post by Mr Nick09 Wed 7 May 2014 - 23:07

He is exhausted MT, has hardly gotten a rest since january, he is paying that now.
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Post by McAgger Wed 7 May 2014 - 23:08

better than Suarez they said.

Benz could kill scrub teams like Suarez if he wanted they said.

Could carry Madrid even on his own they said.

Proud
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Post by El Gunner Wed 7 May 2014 - 23:09

Has always been a scrub in my eyes.
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Post by Tomwin Lannister Wed 7 May 2014 - 23:10

Ice-cream Fatzema Molenation
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