Re: The US Politics Thread

[Warrior]

Sums up Musk's twitter adventures pretty well

[Myesyats]

@Myesyats still think this guy is normal?

He deleted it after realizing how terrible that sounds.

Well he is definitely not "normal", but rather a quite unique individual. Dont think I ever claimed he was "normal" in particular, he is a lot of things but definitely not your normal, average guy

I have successfully tailored my twitter feed to not see any political content and his posts dont come up either. I think twitter brings out the worst in people and he fell for it too

[Pedram]

By not normal i meant he does have a sick sense of humor at times, that rapey tweet about Taylor Swift was also in bad taste.

Could be just his autistic side speaking though. feels like he tries too hard to sound edgy but he's not good enough at being able to read the room. i wonder if he'll eventually get himself in trouble for these comments, FBI definitely could have considered that as incitement to violence.

[Thimmy]

He does have some level of Aspergers, so it shouldn’t come as a surprise that he can be socially awkward at times

[Myesyats]

feels like he tries too hard to sound edgy

I think this is it and I also suspect it comes from the fact that he sometimes goes too far and tweets dumb shit on purpose to demonstrate that you are allowed to say ANYTHING on twitter and it is completely allowed. As a way of promoting his "100% freedom of speech" narrative or something, he wants to show he won't hold any punches whatsoever and get away with it

[Pedram]

feels like he tries too hard to sound edgy

I think this is it and I also suspect it comes from the fact that he sometimes goes too far and  tweets dumb shit on purpose to demonstrate that you are allowed to say ANYTHING on twitter and it is completely allowed.  As a way of  promoting his "100% freedom of speech" narrative or something, he wants to show he won't hold any punches whatsoever and get away with it

That's not completely true though, it's free speech for me but not for thee judging by the fact that he has banned hundreds of leftist accounts who dare to criticize him.

[Myesyats]

Yeah i know, but I believe that's his thought process behind posting these "edgy" jokes, meaning that's how it computes in his autistic brain

[Arquitecto]

guys, you need to understand Elon his entire life was a social outcast and reject as all it takes to know that is looking at him in his 20s, 30s et all to know a lot of his twitter is essentially making up for the lack of social proof he had and a half baked mid-life crisis to be 'down with the kids'

have empathy

[VivaStPauli]

I actually have a theory on Musk, if you guys are willing to indulge me, which is that he's by now probably to the right of where he wanted to be, but he's basically clapping back at the woke crowd and backed himself into a corner with his "new friends".

So back in the day Musk was pretty apolitical, you'd assume he's one of those right-leaning liberal tech moguls as they all are. He alluded to climate change being a factor in his building up of Tesla a bunch, so you know, seemed like another Gates, Bezos, Cook etc.

But young Liberals projected on him so much because they thought he'd be this climate warrior, and this forward thinker that doesn't steal your data like Zuck does, so they were super disappointed when he was just a rich business guy doing business, and they started attacking him.

His bro-y style of being very approachable by being active on Twitter and shit meant he got unfiltered attacks, and he actually reads them. And they went rabid for his ass, like, remember when he got a shit storm because he laughed at a meme of a dead deer?
I think he just got super butthurt and offended, and a lot of his right-wing positions are just him being contrarian to the woke crowd that hounded him on Twitter years ago, and now him and the Libs are in a toxic feedback loop where he says more outrageous shit to provoke them, even though he's hurt by their reaction each time, and it only makes him go farther and farther to the right each time a cycle completes.

I firmly believe if he said some shit about gun control and a bunch of Tea Party rednecks went after him, he would be the wokest mogul alive right now.

[El Gunner]

^^decent theory actually

[BarrileteCosmico]

I could buy that theory. It always seemed kind of cynical to me. He tried very hard to get out of buying Twitter, and maybe he'd be in a happier place if he had. But since he did he had to go All In.

I think part of his fall from grace is cultural tho. When I moved to the US in 2008 one of the biggest culture shocks I experienced was the worship culture of CEOs. People ridiculously and publicly loved the likes of Steve Jobs, Buffet, etc. It felt very much like a country that put the entrepreneur over all. Had Musk made it big in that era maybe he would have enjoyed that treatment.

But then the financial crisis happened, and Occupy Wall Street, and Bernie Sanders and overall it became a lot less cool to be a successful entrepreneur. I guess you could say the US feels a bit more like Europe than it used to.

[Pedram]

So less than a month to election and Kamala is slipping in polls again. didn't she receive a boost from that disastrous Trump debate?

[Myesyats]

@Pedram polymarket is how people bet and not a poll though? So it's not really representative

The 7 swing states are within 1 point. It's going to be incredibly close ig, closest election in a long time?

[Vibe]

Watching the Kamala interview, she's doing quite badly so far. Will try to go through the 26 minutes but listening and watching her here is pretty painful tbh.

The first actual questions she got since taking over the nomination, dems were better off hiding her from interviews. I guess her slipping in polls made them put her out there but she is not doing well.

I think Trump now has a clear path to the presidency, the only way Kamala becomes president is manipulation of the voting system.

Vance also destroyed Walz. Dems did well to tag him with the weird narrative and it was sticking at first, but he shook it off and came through with and MVP performance ever since while Walz has been doing the opposite, I felt immediately that he was a poor choice.

I've seen people who are very good saying a lot without saying anything really and it sounds great, and Kamala tries to do this very often but she isn't doing it well and it sounds terrible.

[Vibe]

Well the second half is even worse.

She was atrocius.

I don't know who this guy is that interviewed her but I am surprised there is actually someone out there willing to ask her real questions. He has a bit of an orange tone so maybe it's a skin colour thing

Still not even half as tough compared to what Trump has to go through all the time.

[Vibe]

Frankly the truth is obvious.

The American political system is evidently beyond repair, proven by the two candidates it came up with to practically lead the world.

I can't think of any other place where you fail upward.

[Pedram]

Watching the Kamala interview, she's doing quite badly so far. Will try to go through the 26 minutes but listening and watching her here is pretty painful tbh.

The first actual questions she got since taking over the nomination, dems were better off hiding her from interviews. I guess her slipping in polls made them put her out there but she is not doing well.

I think Trump now has a clear path to the presidency, the only way Kamala becomes president is manipulation of the voting system.

Vance also destroyed Walz. Dems did well to tag him with the weird narrative and it was sticking at first, but he shook it off and came through with and MVP performance ever since while Walz has been doing the opposite, I felt immediately that he was a poor choice.

I've seen people who are very good saying a lot without saying anything really and it sounds great, and Kamala tries to do this very often but she isn't doing it well and it sounds terrible.

She's in real trouble unless polls are massively wrong, and Nate Silver rarely gets this wrong. he was one of the few pollsters in 2016 who gave Trump a higher chance than others.

Today's update.https://t.co/vsGVG189Sa pic.twitter.com/nnmpy6e0Lp

— Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) October 17, 2024

Kamala losing against a visibly weaker Trump in 2024 would be such a Hillary-esque type of own goal though, snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. definitely feels like we're in for a 2016 repeat.

[Warrior]

The american politic system is quite fucked up, you would think somebody would step to the plate and create a 3rd party since both democrats and republicans provide terrible candidates.

But i asked this question many years ago and was told that would be almost impossible, too much money and propaganda is involved.

[Blue]

I could buy that theory. It always seemed kind of cynical to me. He tried very hard to get out of buying Twitter, and maybe he'd be in a happier place if he had. But since he did he had to go All In.

I think part of his fall from grace is cultural tho. When I moved to the US in 2008 one of the biggest culture shocks I experienced was the worship culture of CEOs. People ridiculously and publicly loved the likes of Steve Jobs, Buffet, etc. It felt very much like a country that put the entrepreneur over all. Had Musk made it big in that era maybe he would have enjoyed that treatment.

But then the financial crisis happened, and Occupy Wall Street, and Bernie Sanders and overall it became a lot less cool to be a successful entrepreneur. I guess you could say the US feels a bit more like Europe than it used to.

I don’t think so, his fall from grace happened after he bought twitter and before that he was getting increasingly more public. Those other entrepreneurs were not very public outside of the domain of field.

He had a favorability when he was known mostly for Tesla, solar, and space/rockets. Now those things are a bit overshadowed by more of his personality.

He is very self interested, he is highly dependent on government contracts, I am willing to bet Trump made promises.

[Myesyats]

I think you are ill informed Mysyats!

As to pools, take a better look at the end of this week.

I already knew in July but @Pedram and @futbol_bill poked fun at me, and what matters is who has the last laugh

[Pedram]

I think you are ill informed Mysyats!

As to pools, take a better look at the end of this week.

I already knew in July but @Pedram and @futbol_bill poked fun at me, and what matters is who has the last laugh

Trump still has +60% of the Republican base in a lock, and Democrats are simply refusing to hold a primary.

It's quite ironic for a party that call themselves Democratic to not even hold debates, i guess they're just hoping Trump miraculously loses to Biden.

Switch to who? Kamala Harris who is even more unpopular than Biden

I don't like Kamala's chances against Trump tbh, best option would be Biden releasing his delegates and the party deciding the nominee in the convention.

I know a lot of people are convinced that this was necessary, but I genuinely can't tell if this is helpful or not.

Yep same, if his replacement is Kamala i don't see how this will help Democrats chance, she is really weak as a candidate.

As you can see even at that time i knew Kamala would be a terrible a choice.    but alas Democrats didn't want to do a primary and are now paying the price.

Either way she has only herself to blame if she loses against a mentally diminished Trump. it shows Democrats haven't learned a damn thing since 2016. that time they screwed Bernie and forced a deeply unpopular woman to run against Trump and this time they let a clearly dementia-ridden guy to run again until it was too late and replaced him with someone equally as retarded as him on the ballot.

Can't say i feel sorry for them tbh.

[Myesyats]

She can still win tbh, I'd say the swing states are a toss up as of now. But Trump is nowhere near as sharp as he used to be so it shouldn't be this close....

I'm trying to look at the broader picture here because I thought Kamala did really well in the debate and was gonna ride that wave a little longer but I guess this proves again that women kinda have it tougher in these positions of power that's why they have to introduce quotas. But a man will always be favored for the role of president because statistically men are tougher negotiators and with the looming threat of war and such you always look for male leaders, even though this guy keeps yapping about some dog-eating fellas it still kinda applies. I mean the way he stood up, put up his fist and yelled "fight, fight" or something, that was kinda epic that I can't imagine anyone else doing in that political environment or anywhere for that matter, it takes a shit ton of guts to behave like that while being under fire. What do you think? It's a small sample size but if he beats Kamala it's gonna be 2-0 for him vs females and 0-1 vs males. I think he'd lose against any average white democrat male.

[Pedram]

Gender is obviously a decisive factor because a large portion of the electorate can't simply accept having a woman as president. whatever we like it or not, that's just how society is and it's unfortunately not exclusive to Americans.

But this time i feel Kamala is slipping in polls because she's trying to attract non-existent moderate Republicans. people like Dick Cheney are deeply hated, what the fuck is she thinking campaigning with a fucking war criminal. stuff like these will definitely piss off her base and could potentially cost her the election.

Interestingly this is also the first time in which Democrats are running attack ads against the Green Party which tells me their internal polling shows Jill Stein is doing marginally better compared to previous elections, possibly due to ongoing war in Gaza. a margin as low as half a percent for the Green Party in Michigan could throw the state to Trump.

[Blue]

If Kamala losses the election like Hilary, it will no be because of their gender it will because they are mediocre candidates. She is not a good candidate, she wouldn’t even when the primary.

Kamala is only in this position because the Democratic Party is pushing her down the throats of their voters.

[Myesyats]

If Kamala losses the election like Hilary, it will no be because of their gender it will because they are mediocre candidates. She is not a good candidate, she wouldn’t even when the primary.

Kamala is only in this position because the Democratic Party is pushing her down the throats of their voters.

Yeah i know its not the only or main reason but it is a factor that trump doesnt have to face, as a woman you need to be basically flawless to even stand a chance in the first place

[Arquitecto]

one has to be nearly out of their mind if they think trump wont win.polls are never nearly accurate and by now its becoming more obvious betting whatever it is, on it.

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