Re: Messi's influence in world football

by chinomaster182 Thu Aug 15, 2013 6:04 pm

Nirgall wrote:
rwo power wrote:
Nirgall wrote:But come one! everybody can see that Messi is too stupid to do basic math.
That's conjecture, please don't let this turn ugly, or I will have to lock the thread.
I say that with all the love in the world. I'm his fan.

Yeah, its not like he could hire an army of accountants to avoid his taxes or anything

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I'd like to mention i look up to Ibra as a role model.

by BarrileteCosmico Thu Aug 15, 2013 6:58 pm

I subscribe to jibers' point that athletes should not be expected to be role models just because they can kick a ball. Many of them have not completed a proper secondary education and come from broken families which makes the badly equipped to handle many life decisions, let alone be an example to the rest of us. That being said there are some class guys in football like Zanetti that do deserve our praise.

by Lupi Thu Aug 15, 2013 11:47 pm

refusing to hand shake with cr7 and then refusing to exchange shirt with ses and then messi and Villa row , yes he is changing it but in the other way around

by eelir Fri Aug 16, 2013 5:13 am

Messi is a decent role model for the kids, not the best. He does a lot of good things, but he has some stains in his name as well, like the tax issue, the hand goal, and some of the weird acts he puled on pitch, although the later is nothing as he did nothing that would be too extreme.

But someone saying he did not have to work for it and CR did just makes me LOL. Yeah, a guy who needed therapy so he can grow at least a bit to actually compete with big guys did not work his socks of. Just read a bit about his health regime, his eating habits and you'll see how much he works for what he achieved.

by Bellabong Fri Aug 16, 2013 3:03 pm

He doesnt drive most expensive cars. His daily car is audi q7.

by Kaladin Fri Aug 16, 2013 3:45 pm

ES and Balo come to training everyday cramped in a small Honda Civic Proud

Poor Niang uses the bus

by BarrileteCosmico Fri Aug 16, 2013 3:48 pm

http://www.tsmplug.com/richlist/lionel-messi-cars-collection/

Vagi

by Collblanc Fri Aug 16, 2013 4:04 pm

BarrileteCosmico wrote:http://www.tsmplug.com/richlist/lionel-messi-cars-collection/

Vagi

Lexus 4x4??? Looks more like a IS-F. Makes me wonder what else is a lie. Even if he has al those cars, the guy is still a good role model for kids: the amount of training that he did when he was a youngster was insane. He was 2 classes higher then me at Barca and Pique and Messi were always 2 hours early at training and kept on training when allot of people left. He even broke out of the sleeping hall several times and was training in the middle of night

by rwo power Fri Aug 16, 2013 9:00 pm

El Shaarawy wrote:ES and Balo come to training everyday cramped in a small Honda Civic

Poor Niang uses the bus

Yann Sommer's favourite means of transport within Basel is a Vespa. Proud

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by harhar11 Sat Aug 17, 2013 8:34 am

IL Gladiatore wrote: refusing to hand shake with cr7 and then refusing to exchange shirt with ses and then messi and Villa row , yes he is changing it but in the other way around

Ses? El sharawy? You do know that elbsharawy himself denied it and posted a picture on hisbtwitter account with Messi's shirt?

And I dont recall Messi ever refusing to shake hands with cr7. I do recall messi and cr7 shaking hands with the refs and both going past each other without looking at the other..

and lol at that villa comment? Have you played football? If you have you would have known that yelling at each other is really common. For example, I have lost count how many times Puyol ha screamed at Pique. And those 2 are beat of friends. Heck, I yell when I am playing with my friends..

rwo power wrote:
Badamdar wrote:I watch since 1997. In last 2 decades there was no best player in germany. Even before that there was no "best in his generation" player from germany. So i dont think they had power to change anything in world football
On the other hand, if you hear interviews of German players, you will rarely find them mention Messi as role model. Zinedine Zidane is mentioned much more often.

That would be pretty obvious, no? Mostof those who play now where very young when zidane was at his peak hence why they looked up to him.

by jibers Sat Aug 17, 2013 10:39 am

Lol. Messi's influence Laughing

The only footballers my friends know are Rooney, Ronaldo and beckham.

by Nirgall Sat Aug 17, 2013 11:03 am

jibers wrote:Lol. Messi's influence

The only footballers my friends know are Rooney, Ronaldo and beckham.

You friends are girls, Americans , or what?

by jibers Sat Aug 17, 2013 11:17 am

Nirgall wrote:
jibers wrote:Lol. Messi's influence

The only footballers my friends know are Rooney, Ronaldo and beckham.
You friends are girls, Americans , or what?

Nope, they just don't watch football. The fact that people think footballers are influential sums uptheworld tbh.

by Nirgall Sat Aug 17, 2013 11:36 am

jibers wrote:
Nirgall wrote:
jibers wrote:Lol. Messi's influence

The only footballers my friends know are Rooney, Ronaldo and beckham.
You friends are girls, Americans , or what?
Nope, they just don't watch football. The fact that people think footballers are influential sums uptheworld tbh.

If you are male and live in a football country, you should know more than those. Even if you don't personally watch it. I don't watch bascketball and Tennis, but I can name more than a few of the top athletes of each of those sports.

by jibers Sat Aug 17, 2013 11:49 am

Nirgall wrote:
jibers wrote:
Nirgall wrote:You friends are girls, Americans , or what?
Nope, they just don't watch football. The fact that people think footballers are influential sums uptheworld tbh.
If you are male and live in a football country, you should know more than those. Even if you don't personally watch it. I don't watch bascketball and Tennis, but I can name more than a few of the top athletes of each of those sports.

That's a coincidence Nirgall. If you are male and live in a football country, you should know more than those. Even if you don't personally watch it. I don't watch bascketball and Tennis, but I can name more than a few of the top athletes of each of those sports

by Nirgall Sat Aug 17, 2013 12:23 pm

I just think it would be weird for a european, south american or african not to know Messi. If only because of TV ads, billboards and stuff.

by rwo power Sat Aug 17, 2013 4:01 pm

Nirgall wrote:I just think it would be weird for a european, south american or african not to know Messi. If only because of TV ads, billboards and stuff.

In Germany you don't see many ads with Messi (at least no main stream ads - I think I've seen him in some Sky add on a sports channel a while ago). You see lots of ads with German players, though.

Some examples as posted in another thread not too long ago:

Spoiler:

by Badamdar Sat Aug 17, 2013 8:45 pm

I was talking about "Messi changing football world" not ordinary people. Players see Messi's way the best way to become the best in the world and they follow Messi's way (off the pitch too). Kids realize how the best player should behave and they get lesson. In Messi's era there are less night club stories, less arrogance, more charities, less tricks on the pitch, less "star like feeling".

Best example is CR. He became less arrogant, lesser tricks on pitch, more humble and more help for children and charities. I think he followed all these things to win the ballon dor. But who cares, Messi changed him

by Pedram Sat Aug 17, 2013 8:56 pm

You need to get your head out of Messi's ass, he's not quite the angel you want him to be.

by rwo power Sun Aug 18, 2013 12:41 am

Badamdar wrote:I was talking about "Messi changing football world" not ordinary people. Players see Messi's way the best way to become the best in the world and they follow Messi's way (off the pitch too). Kids realize how the best player should behave and they get lesson. In Messi's era there are less night club stories, less arrogance, more charities, less tricks on the pitch, less "star like feeling".

Or maybe it is because football became more organised, added more expertise in dietary, sports medical and coaching methods. I can mainly speak about Germany, but from the year 2000 on, all 1st and 2nd league clubs were forced to set up youth academies to obtain their Bundesliga licence with professional coaches, physicians, teachers, dietary experts, media coaches etc, to teach the upcoming footballers how to behave properly on and off the pitch. No Messi involvement there whatsoever, but top coaching in all areas of life. That's the reason why the current crop of young players in Germany are better educated and trained than any generation before them.

by BarcaLearning Sun Aug 18, 2013 6:07 am

rwo power wrote:
Nirgall wrote:I just think it would be weird for a european, south american or african not to know Messi. If only because of TV ads, billboards and stuff.
In Germany you don't see many ads with Messi (at least no main stream ads - I think I've seen him in some Sky add on a sports channel a while ago). You see lots of ads with German players, though.

Some examples as posted in another thread not too long ago:
Spoiler:

Curious about Germany culture...does that mean they are pretty much themselves and not get influenced a lot from foreign things? I have no idea but guess it could be something like the French where they just think their own things are good enough, no need to look too much into foreign things if u know what I mean?

by Nirgall Sun Aug 18, 2013 6:21 am

I wonder what would happen if balotelli were to become the best in the world. Oh the horror!!!!

by Nirgall Sun Aug 18, 2013 6:23 am

rwo power wrote:
Nirgall wrote:I just think it would be weird for a european, south american or african not to know Messi. If only because of TV ads, billboards and stuff.
In Germany you don't see many ads with Messi (at least no main stream ads - I think I've seen him in some Sky add on a sports channel a while ago). You see lots of ads with German players, though.

Some examples as posted in another thread not too long ago:
Spoiler:

The local players are always the ones that get the most attention. But I'm sure there is at least one brand or either sport clothes, drinks, or whatever that has Messi on them. International brands that make a contract with him would not neglect the opportunity to use him in every available country.

by rwo power Sun Aug 18, 2013 12:40 pm

Nirgall wrote:The local players are always the ones that get the most attention. But I'm sure there is at least one brand or either sport clothes, drinks, or whatever that has Messi on them. International brands that make a contract with him would not neglect the opportunity to use him in every available country.

Well, sports brands like Adidas and Puma are German brands, so you can expect these to use German players here, and AFAIK he is contracted with Adidas, right?

by rwo power Sun Aug 18, 2013 1:09 pm

BarcaLearning wrote:Curious about Germany culture...does that mean they are pretty much themselves and not get influenced a lot from foreign things? I have no idea but guess it could be something like the French where they just think their own things are good enough, no need to look too much into foreign things if u know what I mean?

Well, of course people use imports, too, but especially with cars, you can see a majority of German cars on the streets here. That's why for example Audi (Bayern), VW (Wolfsburg), BMW (St.Pauli, Frankfurt), Mercedes (German NT) are rather prominent in football sponsoring (BMW more with regional sponsorings as they made a huge mistake and allowed Audi to snatch Bayern as partner, and BMW doesn't want to play second fiddle to Audi XD). Opel very recently decided to get a contract with Borussia Dortmund to jump onto the bandwagon, too.

Then every Bundesliga team has a different German beer exclusively at their stadiums for the catering (e.g. Schalke's stadium Veltins-Arena is even named after the beer brand they use).

If you look at the shirt sponsors, you will find a majority of German companies, too: Bayern - German Telekom, Wolfsburg - Volkswagen, Dortmund - Evonik, Werder Bremen - Wiesenhof, Stuttgart - Mercedes-Benz, Hoffenheim - SAP, BMG - Postbank, Hannover - TUI, Nürnberg - NKD, Mainz - Entega, Freiburg - Ehrmann, Augsburg - AL-KO, Hertha - Deutsche Bahn. The current exceptions: Schalke - Gazprom, HSV - Emirates, Braunschweig - Seat, Eintracht Frankfurt - Alfa Romeo.
(Full list: http://www.bundesliga.de/de/dfl/fragen/35055.php )

So yeah, I guess Germans usually favour German brands. ^^ (And actually not only Germans, or we wouldn't be pretty high up with exports world-wide XD)

by BarcaLearning Tue Aug 20, 2013 2:48 pm

rwo power wrote:
Badamdar wrote:I was talking about "Messi changing football world" not ordinary people. Players see Messi's way the best way to become the best in the world and they follow Messi's way (off the pitch too). Kids realize how the best player should behave and they get lesson. In Messi's era there are less night club stories, less arrogance, more charities, less tricks on the pitch, less "star like feeling".
Or maybe it is because football became more organised, added more expertise in dietary, sports medical and coaching methods. I can mainly speak about Germany, but from the year 2000 on, all 1st and 2nd league clubs were forced to set up youth academies to obtain their Bundesliga licence with professional coaches, physicians, teachers, dietary experts, media coaches etc, to teach the upcoming footballers how to behave properly on and off the pitch. No Messi involvement there whatsoever, but top coaching in all areas of life. That's the reason why the current crop of young players in Germany are better educated and trained than any generation before them.

Yep I recently read on the airplane magazine about the German culture and football ruling since 2000 that this is what was required and look at the great rewards nowadays. I've really grown to apprecaited the German way of thinking of doing things lately, very professional Razz

rwo power wrote:
BarcaLearning wrote:Curious about Germany culture...does that mean they are pretty much themselves and not get influenced a lot from foreign things? I have no idea but guess it could be something like the French where they just think their own things are good enough, no need to look too much into foreign things if u know what I mean?
Well, of course people use imports, too, but especially with cars, you can see a majority of German cars on the streets here. That's why for example Audi (Bayern), VW (Wolfsburg), BMW (St.Pauli, Frankfurt), Mercedes (German NT) are rather prominent in football sponsoring (BMW more with regional sponsorings as they made a huge mistake and allowed Audi to snatch Bayern as partner, and BMW doesn't want to play second fiddle to Audi XD). Opel very recently decided to get a contract with Borussia Dortmund to jump onto the bandwagon, too.

Then every Bundesliga team has a different German beer exclusively at their stadiums for the catering (e.g. Schalke's stadium Veltins-Arena is even named after the beer brand they use).

If you look at the shirt sponsors, you will find a majority of German companies, too: Bayern - German Telekom, Wolfsburg - Volkswagen, Dortmund - Evonik, Werder Bremen - Wiesenhof, Stuttgart - Mercedes-Benz, Hoffenheim - SAP, BMG - Postbank, Hannover - TUI, Nürnberg - NKD, Mainz - Entega, Freiburg - Ehrmann, Augsburg - AL-KO, Hertha - Deutsche Bahn. The current exceptions: Schalke - Gazprom, HSV - Emirates, Braunschweig - Seat, Eintracht Frankfurt - Alfa Romeo.
(Full list: http://www.bundesliga.de/de/dfl/fragen/35055.php )

So yeah, I guess Germans usually favour German brands. ^^ (And actually not only Germans, or we wouldn't be pretty high up with exports world-wide XD)

Thats interesting, in Asia from what I know, BMX and Benz we refer to are always the 2 brand representing prestige and wealth meaning most rich ppl choose to buy these to as an identity or show casing themselves Razz

Audi also grown popular lately.

Funny about the exclusive beer brands, tough on those that dont like that particular brand if they visit that stadium then? Very Happy

From the healthy look of the setupo, the German league can only get better, in the short term I would say good luck to Dortmund, they really have the base to keep evolving into a club that can be like Bayern's status it seems.

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