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Post by Catracho Sun Jul 07, 2013 1:02 am

Haha whose ready for some CONCALaugh Gold Cup??? I'm sure the lulz will come fast and hard between the games.

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Groups

GROUP A: Mexico, Panama, Canada, Martinique
GROUP B: Honduras, El Salvador, Trinidad & Tobago, Haiti
GROUP C: USA, Costa Rica, Belize, Cuba

Squads

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_CONCACAF_Gold_Cup_squads


Schedule

First Round
Sunday, July 7 - Rose Bowl (Pasadena, CA)
Canada vs. Martinique, 2:30 p.m. (5:30 p.m. EDT)
Mexico vs. Panama, 5:00 p.m. (8:00 p.m. EDT)

Monday, July 8 - Red Bull Arena (Harrison, NJ)
El Salvador vs. Trinidad & Tobago, 7 p.m. (7 p.m. EDT)
Haiti vs. Honduras, 9:30 p.m. (9:30 p.m. EDT)

Tuesday, July 9 - JELD-WEN Field (Portland, OR)
Costa Rica vs. Cuba, 5:30 p.m. (8:30 p.m. EDT)
Belize vs. USA, 8 p.m. (11 p.m. EDT)

Thursday, July 11 - CenturyLink Field (Seattle, WA)
Panama vs. Martinique, 5:30 p.m. (8:30 p.m. EDT)
Mexico vs. Canada, 8 p.m. (11 p.m. EDT)

Friday, July 12 - Sun Life Stadium (Miami, FL)
Trinidad & Tobago vs. Haiti, 7 p.m. (7 p.m. EDT)
Honduras vs. El Salvador, 9:30 p.m. (9:30 p.m. EDT)

Saturday, July 13 - Rio Tinto Stadium (Salt Lake City, UT)
USA vs. Cuba, 1:30 p.m. (4:30 p.m. EDT)
Costa Rica vs. Belize, 4:00 p.m. (6:00 p.m. EDT)

Sunday, July 14 - Sports Authority Field at Mile High (Denver, CO)
Panama vs. Canada 1:30 p.m. (3:30 p.m. EDT)
Martinique vs. Mexico, 4:00 p.m. (6:00 p.m. EDT)

Monday, July 15 - BBVA Compass Stadium (Houston, TX)
El Salvador vs. Haiti, 6 p.m. (7 p.m. EDT)
Honduras vs. Trinidad & Tobago, 8:30 p.m. (9:30 p.m. EDT)

Tuesday, July 16 - Rentschler Field (Hartford, CT)
Cuba vs. Belize, 5:30 p.m. (5:30 p.m. EDT)
USA vs. Costa Rica, 8 p.m. (8 p.m. EDT)

Quarterfinals
Saturday, July 20 - Georgia Dome (Atlanta, GA)
Group A runner-up vs. Group B runner-up, TBD (x)
Group A winner vs. Group B/C third-place, TBD (x)
x-matches scheduled for 3 p.m. and 6 p.m. local (3 p.m. and 6 p.m. EDT) with order TBD

Sunday, July 21 - M&T Bank Stadium (Baltimore, MD)
Group B winner vs. Group C runner-up, TBD (y)
Group C winner vs. Group A/B third place, TBD (y)
y-matches scheduled for 4 p.m. and 7 p.m. local (4 p.m. and 7 p.m. EDT) with order TBD

Semifinals
Wednesday, July 24 - Cowboys Stadium (Arlington, TX)
X quarterfinal winners, TBD (z)
Y quarterfinal winners, TBD (z)
z-matches scheduled for 6 p.m. and 9 p.m. local (7 p.m. and 10 p.m. EDT) with order TBD

Final
Sunday, July 28- Soldier Field (Chicago, IL)
Semifinal winners, 3 p.m. (4 p.m. EDT)
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Post by Rebaño Sagrado Sun Jul 07, 2013 1:47 am

forza Martinique

Hope we get kicked out in the group stage. fuk this cup. Just going to mess up our season and get Benja sacked.
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Post by Catracho Sun Jul 07, 2013 8:28 pm

Sunday, July 7 - Rose Bowl (Pasadena, CA)

Canada vs. Martinique, 2:30 p.m. (5:30 p.m. EDT)

Mexico vs. Panama, 5:00 p.m. (8:00 p.m. EDT)
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Post by McLewis Sun Jul 07, 2013 8:44 pm

Nothing at Ford Field or the Pontiac Silverdome ffs. Missed opportunities Mad

Oh well, we got a good roster for this at least. LD, Holden and Jack McInerney are the ones to watch for USA.
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Post by Catracho Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:19 am

McLewis wrote:Nothing at Ford Field or the Pontiac Silverdome ffs. Missed opportunities Mad

Oh well, we got a good roster for this at least. LD, Holden and Jack McInerney are the ones to watch for USA.

I don't think Michigan is known for its love for USMNT.. last time they held a Gold Cup match (against Canada) it was emptier than Arsenal's trophycase in the last 6 years.
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Post by Motogp69 Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:32 am

McLewis wrote:Nothing at Ford Field or the Pontiac Silverdome ffs. Missed opportunities Mad

Oh well, we got a good roster for this at least. LD, Holden, Mix and Jack McInerney are the ones to watch for USA.

I fixed it for you.

Nice to see they allowed Shea to replace Gatt on the roster.

I am hoping that the magic that was the second half against Guatemala is a sign of things to come regarding the chemistry between: Shea, Mix, Holden, Beasley, and Donovan.

Still not a fan of the quarterfinal roster rule, but CONCACAF has always been :facepalm: 
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Post by windkick Mon Jul 08, 2013 1:16 am

Mexico playing like crap, and are fielding a B team for this tourney since their A team was just in the Confeds. So this tourney should be a walk in the park for USA
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Post by CBarca Mon Jul 08, 2013 1:47 am

USA will walk it.
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Post by B-Mac Mon Jul 08, 2013 4:25 am

Canada struggling vs Martinique ffs.....so embarrassing for a country of our size and wealth to be so poor. Sad

thankfully United pre season tour starts this week so i can forget about this crap tournament.
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Post by FalcaoPunch Mon Jul 08, 2013 4:45 am

Quality of these teams :bow:
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Post by B-Mac Mon Jul 08, 2013 4:50 am

FalcaoPunch wrote:Quality of these teams :bow:

Canada hoof ball tactics....are players are so lazy, the lack of movement off the ball is awful, when the back line has the ball the gap between the midfield and defence is huge so they just hoof it up, fully confident are womens team could beat the mens side, Sinclair>>>all mens players
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Post by Uncle Jozy Mon Jul 08, 2013 7:40 am

And Mexico loses to Panama. Crazy start to the tourney.

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Post by Uncle Jozy Mon Jul 08, 2013 7:46 am

windkick wrote:Mexico playing like crap, and are fielding a B team for this tourney since their A team was just in the Confeds. So this tourney should be a walk in the park for USA
No team is bringing their A team from what I see. Not USA, Costa Rica, Honduras, Panama ect...

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Post by RedOranje Mon Jul 08, 2013 8:16 am

Could be a good chance for some of the middling sides to make a run at some international silverware with the major powers using this as a chance to blood youngsters and give fringe squad players an opportunity.
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Post by windkick Mon Jul 08, 2013 8:24 am

Uncle Jozy wrote:
windkick wrote:Mexico playing like crap, and are fielding a B team for this tourney since their A team was just in the Confeds. So this tourney should be a walk in the park for USA
No team is bringing their A team from what I see. Not USA, Costa Rica, Honduras, Panama ect...

Actually, most teams are bringing there A team and resting select players. So they have a healthy mix of experience and new blood. Mexico on the other hand is legit only bringing it's B players since they were just in Brazil for the Confeds. Not making an excuse for Mexico, A team or B team, doesn't matter with them they have been awful all year.
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Post by RedOranje Mon Jul 08, 2013 8:25 am

USA brought their B team as well.
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Post by windkick Mon Jul 08, 2013 8:25 am

What's USAs squad? Have the full list?

EDIT - nm I just saw the roster


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Post by windkick Mon Jul 08, 2013 8:29 am

Donovan, Holden, Shea, Beasley, Gomez, Onyewu, Ashe, Beckerman, Bruin, Wondolowski

Like I said, those are the USA's regular's that are called up under Klinsman from time to time...hence that's an A team with the rest being some "B teamers". Mexico has zero first teamers in this squad since they were all just at the Confeds (only Jiminez, but the Confeds was his first call up so he is new as hell)
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Post by RedOranje Mon Jul 08, 2013 8:38 am

Except they're not.  You've got it backwards.  Only one or two of those names are actually A teamers (Beasley, Gomez) at this point, and the rest are B team members.  "From time to time" is not the same thing as a "regular" and is basically the very definition of an international B-team player.

Donovan went on sabbatical and was out of the game entirely for several months; effectively also putting him back at the beginnings in terms of earning his international place.  He's not a first choice for Klinsmann at the moment, so not an A teamer.

Holden's been injured and unable to play for close to 3 years now.

Onyewu hasn't been a regular for the national side in a while either after his struggles with injury and form.

Shea, Beckerman, and others are at best second string for the national team (aka B team).

Wondolowski and the others have less than 20 caps between them.
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Post by windkick Mon Jul 08, 2013 8:47 am

right, but even if they arent regulars now, they have been at one point or another. Theres some World Cup experience in there too. Mexico literally has a few guys that were on the Olympic squad, but aren't ever called up for the first team. Even though some of the guys that are on this squad were on the Olympic squad, they weren't even guaranteed first teamers there either. Matter of fact this Mexico team at this Gold Cup doesn't even make the bench for el Tri, not now or ever. Big difference comparing that what USA's "B" team is. If it was a true B team, they wouldn't of brought the guys I mentioned  

Please, don't try to compare the two squads. The USA team is allot of of an A squad mixed with a B while Mexico is full B.

Like I said, even if it was Mexico's A, they are playing like crap so they would of probably lost regardless lol
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Post by Uncle Jozy Mon Jul 08, 2013 8:53 am

windkick wrote:Donovan, Holden, Shea, Beasley, Gomez, Onyewu, Ashe, Beckerman, Bruin, Wondolowski

Like I said, those are the USA's regular's that are called up under Klinsman from time to time...hence that's an A team with the rest being some "B teamers". Mexico has zero first teamers in this squad since they were all just at the Confeds (only Jiminez, but the Confeds was his first call up so he is new as hell)

The entire bold are not even regular starters. I think you don't know what an A team is. Are you saying we beat Germanies A team a while back in a friendly? Mixing A team players with most B/C teamers doesn't equal an A team. Did you take any math classes? If so read this http://www.mathsisfun.com/definitions/mode.html and use ABCs instead to figure out if it's an A/B/C team. Having Depth doesn't equate to an A team either.

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Post by windkick Mon Jul 08, 2013 9:07 am

maybe i should rephrase.

A team, B team...doesn't matter. What I was going by was how often they get capped, especially under the Klinsman era. Even if it's just sitting on the bench. USA has allot of experience, and been experienced at one point or another by Klinsman.

Mexico, on the other hand does not. That was my point, the two teams are not comparable in terms of saying they are both fielding similar type "B" teams. That was my only point. As mentioned, USA will walk this as Mexico, it's biggest threat, is playing like complete donkey ass (A team, B team, C team - whatever they are all playing horrible this calendar year)
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Post by Uncle Jozy Mon Jul 08, 2013 9:17 am

windkick wrote:maybe i should rephrase.

A team, B team...doesn't matter. What I was going by was how often they get capped, especially under the Klinsman era. Even if it's just sitting on the bench. USA has allot of experience, and been experienced at one point or another.

Mexico, on the other hand does not. That was my point, the two teams are not comparable in terms of saying they are both fielding similar type "B" teams. That was my only point. As mentioned, USA will walk this as Mexico, it's biggest threat, is playing like complete donkey ass (A team, B team, C team - whatever they are all playing horrible this calendar year)

Simple. Mexico doesn't have depth to feature a good B team. They called their younglings/Best domestic players that haven't been giving a chance and have giving their A squad players a rest. Like the USA, the only player that's on this squad and played in the last WCQs was Beasely. That isn't close to an A team. Same with Costa Rica who brought like 3 regular players and panama basically brought a squad like Mexico. It's not that you needed to rephrase, it's just you clearly didn't know what the definition of A/B/C squads are. You could call mexico a C squad in terms of Quality but you're not going to get a much better squad excluding players from original WCQ squad which exposes Mexico's lack of depth.

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Post by windkick Mon Jul 08, 2013 9:40 am

wtf are you taking about? I never said Mexico is fielding a C squad. And Mexico's "lack of depth", beat Brazil in the final of the Olympics recently. They also won the U-17 World Cup and finished 3rd at the U-20 World Cup. I wouldn't blame them on having "lack of depth", as much as I am accusing them of having horrible management. Chepo has to go if this team is to get any better.
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Post by Uncle Jozy Mon Jul 08, 2013 10:19 am

windkick wrote:wtf are you taking about? I never said Mexico is fielding a C squad. And Mexico's "lack of depth", beat Brazil in the final of the Olympics recently. They also won the U-17 World Cup and finished 3rd at the U-20 World Cup. I wouldn't blame them on having "lack of depth", as much as I am accusing them of having horrible management. Chepo has to go if this team is to get any better.

Winning a youth tourney doesn't prove you have depth. You think that team does any better against grown men in this tourney? We already know winning youth tournaments don't translate to Senior success if you look at recent history. I mean seriously since when does winning a tournament that only factors a certain age group mean anything at an international senior level? And I said that Mexico's team right now is a C squad in terms of quality.


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