Re: Bayern Munich vs Juventus

by Zealous Fri Mar 15, 2013 3:15 pm

So to compensate for people underestimating Juve you overrate them? lol

For the record I think Juventus are a great team but if they want to prove themselves as the best at anything they'll have to win games like these.

by sportsczy Fri Mar 15, 2013 3:21 pm

Maybe Juve haven't played in CL for a bit... but they have been dominant in Serie A for 2 years now and have been class in CL so far. Not to mention 3/4 of the defense and 2/3 of the midfield were starters for Italy NT that went to the Euro final.

They've proven plenty.

Buffon, Lichsteiner, Barzagli, Bonucci, Chiellini, Pirlo, Vidal, Marchisio..... who's 8 thru the midfield is better than that? Barca's defense and keeper aren't anywhere as good.

by Zealous Fri Mar 15, 2013 3:22 pm

Like I said, great team. Just to be best requires that bit more.

by sportsczy Fri Mar 15, 2013 3:26 pm

Zealous wrote:Like I said, great team. Just to be best requires that bit more.

Who's better through the midfield. That's all i'm saying. Not the best team of course because the forwards are meh. But if you had to pick an area you would rather have some faults in, it would be the attack imo. It's much easier to consistently control things with greatness through the midfield.

Be specific.... who's better than the group of Buffon, Lichsteiner, Barzagli, Bonucci, Chiellini, Pirlo, Vidal, Marchisio through the midfield.

by VivaStPauli Fri Mar 15, 2013 3:28 pm

Neuer, Lahm, Alaba, Badstuber, Dante, Martinez, Schweinsteiger, Kroos, for example? 8/

by S Fri Mar 15, 2013 3:31 pm

Juventus boss Antonio Conte has called his side's Champions League quarter-final with Bayern Munich 'a challenging fixture'.

The Bianconeri were drawn with the Bundesliga leaders in the last eight of the competition.

And the 43-year-old has claimed that his men will face a tough proposition in Jupp Heynckes' side.

“We are aware that the quarter-finals will present us with a challenging fixture,” he told the club's official website.

“After Chelsea, now we're playing last year's other finalist.

“They are one of the most consistent sides in Europe and will have the advantage of their great experience accumulated over the years.

“The game will certainly be a stimulating affair and we'll experience it with maximum calmness, concentration and joy.

“We're chasing a dream and want to enjoy this experience all the way until the end.”

by VivaStPauli Fri Mar 15, 2013 3:32 pm

When both teams start to talk up the opposition, you just know they both expect to win.

by Kaladin Fri Mar 15, 2013 3:35 pm

No three defenders in Europe complement each other better than the Juventus' back three. Giorgio Chiellini has the aerial prowess and rugged toughness, Andrea Barzagli is elegant and is great at reading the game, Leonardo Bonucci provides the vision and is the best ball playing central defender in Italy.

Juventus has not been scored on in 490 minutes in the Champions League. Bayern will face their biggest test in penetrating this defense

by Zealous Fri Mar 15, 2013 3:36 pm

sportsczy wrote:
Buffon, Lichsteiner, Barzagli, Bonucci, Chiellini, Pirlo, Vidal, Marchisio..... who's 8 thru the midfield is better than that? Barca's defense and keeper aren't anywhere as good.

Football has 11 players but I'll go along for sake of discussion eco smile

Here would be Bayern's 8:

Neuer, Lahm, Badstuber, Dante, Alaba, Martinez, Schweinsteiger, Kroos.

That ain't bad at all.

Barca:

Valdez, Alves, Pique, [Mascherano/Puyol], Alba, Busquests, Xavi, Iniesta.

Also quite good but their D can be pretty bad at times.

Madrid:

[Casillas/Lopez], Arbeloa, Varane, [Ramos/Pepe], [Coentrao/Marcelo], Khedira, Alonso, [Di Maria/Modric]

Definitely the most flexible depending on what Madrid need although they are one dimensional. Also perhaps have something to prove.

Dortmund:

Weidenfeller, Piszceck, Hummels, Subotic, Schmelzer, Gundogan, Kehl, Goetze

Very dynamic and definitely not out of their league in this comp.

PSG:

Sirigu, Maxwell, Sakho, Thiago Silva, Jallet, Verratti, Matuidi, Pastore.

Very solid but perhaps the FBs are lacking.

by Kaladin Fri Mar 15, 2013 3:39 pm

What do you all reckon is the best Bayern/Juve combined XI hmm

by sportsczy Fri Mar 15, 2013 3:41 pm

VivaStPauli wrote:Neuer, Lahm, Alaba, Badstuber, Dante, Martinez, Schweinsteiger, Kroos, for example? 8/

ALaba, Badstuber, Piggy, Martinez and Dante Laughing

compare that to Chiellini, Bonucci, Barzagli, Vidal and Pirlo Laughing

That's the post-for-post comparison.

Kroos, Neuer and Lahm are the only ones that compare to Marchisio, Buffon and Lichsteiner.

by la bestia negra Fri Mar 15, 2013 3:42 pm

Juventus - a difficult draw!
Probably the best italian team right now!
The group stands really well defensively, they receive few goals. But the Marios, Franck, Arjen or me will also hopefully find a hole or two :-)

I would much rather have had the second leg at München, but it is after all not a dream concert!

We're excited about it!

Servus, your Thomas

by sportsczy Fri Mar 15, 2013 3:43 pm

El Shaarawy wrote:What do you all reckon is the best Bayern/Juve combined XI

Buffon
Lahm-Barzagli-Bonucci-Chiellini
Vidal-Pirlo-Kroos
Mueller-Mandzukic-Ribery

by Zealous Fri Mar 15, 2013 3:45 pm

I don't get this only 8 players comparison anyway. The front three are just as important to any team and that is something Bayern can say they have over Juve.

As a defender I'd rather deal with Matri, Vucinic and Quagliarella than Ribery, Muller and Mandzukic.

by VivaStPauli Fri Mar 15, 2013 3:45 pm

sportsczy wrote:
VivaStPauli wrote:Neuer, Lahm, Alaba, Badstuber, Dante, Martinez, Schweinsteiger, Kroos, for example? 8/

ALaba, Badstuber, Piggy, Martinez and Dante compare that to Chiellini, Bonucci, Barzagli, Vidal and Pirlo That's the post-for-post comparison.

Kroos, Neuer and Lahm are the only ones that compare to Marchisio, Buffon and Lichsteiner.

Have you actually watched Bayern this season? With Dante? And a non-injured Piggy?

by Valkyrja Fri Mar 15, 2013 3:48 pm

El Shaarawy wrote:What do you all reckon is the best Bayern/Juve combined XI

depends on the formation...

3-5-2

Buffon
Chiellini Barzagli Dante
Lahm Vidal Pirlo Marchisio Alaba
Ribery
Mandzukic

4-3-3

Buffon
Lahm Chiellini Barzagli Alaba
Vidal Pirlo Marchisio
Muller Mandzukic Ribery

by Tomwin Lannister Fri Mar 15, 2013 3:54 pm

I'm happy not everybody underrates Juve.

The general consensus seems to be that due to our lack of a big name in attack we don't have any star players except Buffon.

It just goes to show how attack minded and bias towards strikers people are in this day and age.

The fact is, and I don't care how bias I sound is that Buffon, Chiellini, Barzagli, Pirlo, Vidal and Marchisio are/are currently playing at a World Class level.

But you don't hear about them, and when you do it's some idiot pundit who thinks they're on a level with spurs players.

by Casciavit Fri Mar 15, 2013 3:57 pm

3-5-2
.................................................Buffon.......................................
.....................Barzagli..................Dante................Chiellini............
Lich/Lahm................Vidal..............Pirlo..............Marchisio..............Asamoah
..............................................Ribery/Mueller ?..........................................
...............................................Mandzukic.............................................

by urbaNRoots Fri Mar 15, 2013 3:58 pm

lol Bayern are underrated now. Somehow Schweini and Dante don't make the hybrid team rofl

by VivaStPauli Fri Mar 15, 2013 3:58 pm

AbraKebabra Alacalamb wrote:I'm happy not everybody underrates Juve.

The general consensus seems to be that due to our lack of a big name in attack we don't have any star players except Buffon.

What? You still got the most creative bully in Vidal, a magnificent Pirlo, and a rock-solid defence, I don't think anybody is denying that.

I just think that Piggy and Martinez aren't anny worse than Vidal and Pirlo.
Well okay, I think they're a bit worse because Martinez isn't at that level yet. But Kroos is what will tip the scales IMHO.

Still, this will be the biggest test either team's midfield will have faced this season.

But people making a combined XI without Schweinsteiger is f*cking delusional.

by Onyx Fri Mar 15, 2013 4:01 pm

-----------------Neuer
---Lahm---Barzagli---Dante---Alaba
------------Vidal-----Pirlo
----Muller--------Kroos------Ribery
----------------Mandzukic

by Tomwin Lannister Fri Mar 15, 2013 4:07 pm

No no Viva not you Laughing

Talking about people who refuse to call our players WC, and who put all of our success down to being "Balanced" In other words we have nothing special.

I agree with a fair few of your points.

by Valkyrja Fri Mar 15, 2013 4:07 pm

VivaStPauli wrote:
AbraKebabra Alacalamb wrote:I'm happy not everybody underrates Juve.

The general consensus seems to be that due to our lack of a big name in attack we don't have any star players except Buffon.

What? You still got the most creative bully in Vidal, a magnificent Pirlo, and a rock-solid defence, I don't think anybody is denying that.

I just think that Piggy and Martinez aren't anny worse than Vidal and Pirlo.
Well okay, I think they're a bit worse because Martinez isn't at that level yet. But Kroos is what will tip the scales IMHO.

Still, this will be the biggest test either team's midfield will have faced this season.

But people making a combined XI without Schweinsteiger is f*cking delusional.

Where would you put Schweinsteiger ? He's by no way better than Pirlo, and he can't do what Marchisio and Vidal do.

by S Fri Mar 15, 2013 4:10 pm

AbraKebabra Alacalamb wrote:No no Viva not you

Talking about people who refuse to call our players WC, and who put all of our success down to being "Balanced" In other words we have nothing special.

I agree with a fair few of your points.

If we end up getting knocked out those same people would act like they've been proven right or something so its best to ignore them.

Oh and btw ,if Vidal or Marchisio pick up another yellow and end up getting suspended ,i can say with a confidence that Pogba can fill in for either of the two.We have a GOAT sub waiting in the wings.

by futbol Fri Mar 15, 2013 4:18 pm

AbraKebabra Alacalamb wrote:I'm happy not everybody underrates Juve.

The general consensus seems to be that due to our lack of a big name in attack we don't have any star players except Buffon.

It just goes to show how attack minded and bias towards strikers people are in this day and age.

The fact is, and I don't care how bias I sound is that Buffon, Chiellini, Barzagli, Pirlo, Vidal and Marchisio are/are currently playing at a World Class level.

But you don't hear about them, and when you do it's some idiot pundit who thinks they're on a level with spurs players.

I still have my doubts about the 3-5-2 formation (although in defensive transition it's 5-3-2 anyway) but other than that I backed Italy to make it far even before the Euros had started just because of the Juventus core. It's only Premier League pundits that are clueless tbh. Mourinho publicly stated that he doesn't want to face Juventus and just yesterday I read that the only team the Barcelona players wanted to avoid was Juventus as well.

The lack of a world class goalscorer isn't even much of a problem. Makes the team much more unpredictable with goals coming from everywhere. The Spanish national team is the same.

by Tomwin Lannister Fri Mar 15, 2013 4:22 pm

I agree with a lot of that too, and see doubting a formation or tactics is one thing, but the sheer ignorance that accompanies opinions about Juventus players from some people is plain laughable.

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