Realistcally how much are all our strikers worth?

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Post by Cassius Thu Mar 14, 2013 6:42 pm

Giovinco 7 goals and 6 assists: still has age on his side and also is a player that has fanstasy and technique but lacks consistency and strength, as in, he has none. being only 26 i have a feeling he'll turn out to be a Micolli type player, if he hasnt already that is. He's too weak to be a striker, the ball needs to be at his feet for him to even become active on a football pitch but hes one of those players when hes on form can rip a team apart and score whilst being unselfish and assisting. One of his main downfalls is his decision making, by the time hes made up his mind what to do the chance is usually dead. In todays market and considering how long he has left on his contract easily above 15 million euro's but only possibly 2-3 more extra.

Matri 6 goals 0 assists: on his day can be a real bruiser of a striker, not afraid to throw his body into defenders and likes to play off the shoulder usually but in a striker you want goals and this is something we all knock Ale lacks. His abymal finishing and lack of clever attacking play has shown him up to be an extreamly average player. struggles to beat his man when dribbling, often losing it easily and then instead of charging them down looks frustratedly at the ref as to ask for a foul. when it isnt. hes just not that good. Id personally say between 8-12 million for Matri. gets and extra 3 million for the beauty of a wife..

Quags 7 goals 1 assist: where do i start? In his first season here before the tragedy at parma i rated him very highly. was bagging all sorts of goals, headers, long range effort, flick ons. he was even pretty decent in build up play too. but now? id trade him for a picture of Del Piero attached to a cone. hes simply too selfish. often runs himself into trouble. He's scored some beautiful goals this season already and is our joint top scorer with Giovinco if im not wrong? tied on 7 goals. but this number is very decieving as it is for all our strikers cause it simply is not good enough! They do nothing for 4 games and then pop up with a goal, its not good enough. id realistcly say quags is worth 8-10 million largely due to his age and injury history. but its not to say when hes in a good run of form he can be a very good player to have on the squad.

Vucinic 6 goals 5 assists: IMO Vucinic is our best forward overall, his link up play is nice, he can hold the ball up and draw fouls, he can drop deep and play through balls, score goals, screamers or short range plus many other things. But hes all too inconsistent, he lacks drive which only lasts him about 20 mins per game and worst of all hes EXTREAMLY lazy. you can get away with that if your Zlatan on banging in 15-20 goals but when your not you have to play ball. something which mirko doesnt do. Iv seen him not chase a ball that was litrally like 6 meteres infront of him. Mirko i can almost kinda forgive cause he has that magic in him to change a game by himself unlike the rest of our strikers but i cant let lazyness like that slide. Overall though, like the resrt hes too inconsistant, one game he'll be battering the post with piledriving shots, playing nice balls into the box for team mates and then otherdays he's be missing a 1 vs 1 with no defenders around him or missing simple goals mynan could put in. Probably worth around 15 to 20 million but i dont know who will actually want him for that?

So all in all, looks like wer screwed striker wise till july when LLorente has his chance. In my opinion he should be first choice asson as he's arrived, the rest have had their chance. its time to move on from these set of strikers and look to the future and better things. (mainly strikers)
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Post by juventus101 Thu Mar 14, 2013 6:51 pm

Well weve gotten 10 million offers for Matri recently, so based on that:

Matri - 10 million
Quagliarella - 8 million (same level as Matri but older)
Giovinco - 20 million (hes still very young, still hasnt reached his peak in mu opinion, and in a league like La Liga would thrive.)
Vucinic - 17 million (better than Giovinco but not that young anymore)

Anelka and Bendtner at this point are worth about 2-3 million each.
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Post by The Nature Boy Thu Mar 14, 2013 7:49 pm

The 0 assists from matri is very misleading. He's had a lot of flick ons and flick passes in the build up to a few goals this season.

I know Giovanni has chipped in this season but IMO he is at his peak and wont get any better. I maybe wrong, but I doubt it.
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Post by Cassius Thu Mar 14, 2013 8:00 pm

king_alex10 wrote:The 0 assists from matri is very misleading. He's had a lot of flick ons and flick passes in the build up to a few goals this season.

I know Giovanni has chipped in this season but IMO he is at his peak and wont get any better. I maybe wrong, but I doubt it.
I still dont think its very misleading. Matri offers very little other then being a battering ram imo. These flick ons are few and far between to be of any substance.
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Post by TrezeGent Thu Mar 14, 2013 8:41 pm

juventus101 wrote:Well weve gotten 10 million offers for Matri recently, so based on that:

Matri - 10 million
Quagliarella - 8 million (same level as Matri but older)
Giovinco - 20 million (hes still very young, still hasnt reached his peak in mu opinion, and in a league like La Liga would thrive.)
Vucinic - 17 million (better than Giovinco but not that young anymore)

Anelka and Bendtner at this point are worth about 2-3 million each.

I think you hyped all of them a bit. Especially Giovinco is not worth 20 mil, neither is Vucinic at 17.
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Post by djfawnz Thu Mar 14, 2013 10:18 pm

at most 15 million for giovinco
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Post by juventus101 Fri Mar 15, 2013 12:46 am

When you think about Giovincos age and that he still most likely hasnt reached his peak, plus just this last summer, before Gio came back, because of his Parma form even Barcelona were about to make a bid for him, i think we could get 20 million for him. Vucinuc is not exactly a big name but when hes on form he is a Top 3 SS in the league. Hes still on the better side of 30 too, and age wont even effect hin much as hes so slow anyways and relies more on vision and creativity than physicality. Maybe 17 was pushing it, but i think we could definitely get 15. You also have to remember that ever since City, Madrid, and PSG started spending ridiculous money, prices have inflated big time and Matri is worth 10 million at this point. Look at the prices on the heads of guys like Jovetic (30-35 mil) and Suarez (40+). Okay Suarez is a class above any of these guys but Jovetic for example for 30+ million? I think Gio for 20 or Vucinux for half of Jovetics price are very do-able. Dont wanna sell either one of them though, just get rid of one of Matri or Quags, and both of Anelka and Bendtner, and bring in a youngster abd id be happy.
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Post by KIFFLO Fri Mar 15, 2013 4:07 am

TrezeGent wrote:
juventus101 wrote:Well weve gotten 10 million offers for Matri recently, so based on that:

Matri - 10 million
Quagliarella - 8 million (same level as Matri but older)
Giovinco - 20 million (hes still very young, still hasnt reached his peak in mu opinion, and in a league like La Liga would thrive.)
Vucinic - 17 million (better than Giovinco but not that young anymore)

Anelka and Bendtner at this point are worth about 2-3 million each.

I think you hyped all of them a bit. Especially Giovinco is not worth 20 mil, neither is Vucinic at 17.

I agree with Gent.
Gio around 13-15
Vuci around 13, going by age.
Bentner 0 value because he isnt our player and Anelka has a expiring contract.
It would be another story if Gio had performed really well then his value prob would be closer to 20.
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Post by djfawnz Fri Mar 15, 2013 4:53 am

lol. now answer me this, WHO would pay 20 mil for giovinco?

at most we can get 15 mil like i said before
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Post by aant123 Sat Mar 16, 2013 7:11 am

djfawnz wrote:lol. now answer me this, WHO would pay 20 mil for giovinco?

at most we can get 15 mil like i said before

Technically Gio should be worth $20m based off his age and form in past 2-3 seasons (well, more the Parma seasons). Problem is, few teams are able to pay $20m for a player and unless a PSG, Barca, Real, Bayern or EPL club are interested i doubt we'll be able to offload him for more than $12-15m. Hoping Barca renew their interest and we can have a $5-10m + Gio <-> Sanchez swap.

Same goes for Vucinic, might be worth $15m but doubt we'll get more than $10m unless one of the above is interested.

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Post by Kick Sat Mar 16, 2013 7:22 am

Here is how much I would pay:
Matri €7m
Quads €6m
Giovinco €12m
Vucinic €10m

The other two, nothing really.
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Post by Adrian0911 Sat Mar 16, 2013 8:16 am

i think there has to be a difference between worth and how much a club would pay.

i would say..realistic market price (not inflated one from other big money transfers)...imo...none of our strikers are worth over 10m:
Vucinic - 10m
Matri - 7m
Quags - 6.5m
Giovinco - 6m

but as Marrota i would sell them at minimum
vucinic - 12m
matri - 10m
quags - 9m
giovinco - 10m
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Post by Forza Sat Mar 16, 2013 8:23 am

Matri 7m

Matri gets 7m because you guys paid a lot for him, he's past his prime at 28, but he can still be a good target striker.

Quag 5m

Injury issues and age go against him. His knack for scoring good-looking goals and his former NT status keep his price from hitting rock bottom.

Gio 9m

Nobody is going to pay any more than 9m for him. He is inconsistent and has failed to live up to the hype so far. That 'so far' is what keeps his price at 9m. At 26, the atom ant might just prove his worth at a club where he gets consistent game time. But if a smaller club wants him, he could sell for much less.

Vucinic 13m

The most valuable of your strikers. On an off day, he goes competely missing. On his day, Vucinic can tear a team apart. Assists, goals, passing. If he had a better work-rate he would be a complete player.
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Post by Tomwin Lannister Sat Mar 16, 2013 8:44 pm

Your prices are fair but in this day and age I wouldn't take less than 10M for Matri, 8.5 for Quags, 13 for Giovinco or 15 for Vucinic.

Because the prices are so out of whack, any scrub can fetch for 4M+
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Post by Cassius Sun Mar 17, 2013 2:04 am

AbraKebabra Alacalamb wrote:Your prices are fair but in this day and age I wouldn't take less than 10M for Matri, 8.5 for Quags, 13 for Giovinco or 15 for Vucinic.

Because the prices are so out of whack, any scrub can fetch for 4M+
Exactlly this.

Prices these days are ridiculous. even second tier clubs can afford multi million transfares so no doubt we wont be seeing Giovinco or Vuci being sold for some of the ridiculous prices being mention. not as of right now anyway.
On the Seba matter, 7 goals and 6 assists? im not sayin i take stats too seriously i know his problems but for a rotation striker thats not a bad return imo, easily worth around 15 despite all the irrational hate he gets around here. Hes our second best forward ffs. if not for his obvious physical deficiences he'd be great.

whilst im ranting i want to say to the people wo say Gio tries too hard in a negative way that wait untill he settles in again and his confidence improves if his hardworking attitude is still intact i see him and LLorente being undisputed starters (barring we sign a top class second striker). He'll start banging in the goals and wracking up the assists for fun imo, we all know he has the talent. He's always looking to do something special, i think we need someone like that upront as currently all we have is the lazy yet brilliant Vucinic.

I understand he's frustrating right now, seemingly kicking the air when he shoots, crossing to the corner flag but he never STOPS trying and when all his hardwork pays off i think we'll all be happy we kept hold of him.

If a poor Giovinco can score 7 goals and get 6 assists to his name so far this season what class of strikers are Quags and Matri then? pub league standard?

Gimme Seba anyday over them two. unless i was playing stoke.... Poor Seb, he'd get destroyed. pale
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