Re: Arsenal Rumors Thread

[urbaNRoots]

Fiorentina desperate to send Jovetic to Arsenal or Manchester City, avoiding Juve



http://sportwitness.ning.com/forum/topics/fiorentina-desperate-to-send-jovetic-to-arsenal-or-manchester-cit

[MJ]

That's a situation to watch, plus as much as he's been talking about a move, adds fuel to the speculation.



Gunnervision ‏@Gunner_vision 1h
So looks like Henderson, Ebecilio, Rees, Shea, Squillaci and Arshavin are all certs to leave this summer then.

[RealGunner]

Update on Fernando Amorebieta - he has signed a pre-contract agreement with Fulham. Will join on a free.

goal.com

[sportsczy]

http://www.lequipe.fr/Football/Actualites/Capoue-en-contact-avec-le-psg/364093

Capoue says he's very close to joining PSG in an interview with Bein. The fact that Arsenal missed on him is incomprensible... the last one out there that i love is Guilavogui of St Eitenne.

[Chumlum]

Anyone think that maybe a player exchange (with some money) could see Sagna and Sakho switch clubs this summer?

[Sina]

other day i was thinking about it
of course they should give us some money + Sakho then we may consider

Bac

[Jay29]

Twitter saying that reports in Italy are saying Arsenal have made a £20.5mil bid for Jovetic.

Take that as you will.

[Sina]

what was his release clause again?
25M?

[Chumlum]

I think reports have cited the release clause as about 25 million, yeah - can't remember if that worked out to pounds or euros though. (And circulated figures on twitter, etc., tend to be careless with currencies anyway...)

Of all the players who are likely to move to a new club this summer, Jovetic is the one I want most that I also think Arsenal can realistically get. Just hope that if it happens he doesn't end up a flop!

[RealGunner]

£20.5m is pretty massive

[Wilson37]

I think reports have cited the release clause as about 25 million, yeah - can't remember if that worked out to pounds or euros though. (And circulated figures on twitter, etc., tend to be careless with currencies anyway...)

Of all the players who are likely to move to a new club this summer, Jovetic is the one I want most that I also think Arsenal can realistically get. Just hope that if it happens he doesn't end up a flop!

also what if he gets injured ? that is the risk involved with any high cost transfers,, which Cities and Chelseas can afford and not us.. so Wenger instead of going for that 25 million striker to replace RIP.. went for Giroud and Podolski combined.. cheaper, less risky and more effective..

[Wilson37]

[Sri]

Arsenal held talks with representatives of 12m rated Ashley Willams last week - Goal.com

[Alejandro E.Zackarias]

Arsenal held talks with representatives of 12m rated Ashley Willams last week - Goal.com

Rather get Rami,as I feel Williams for 12M bid for him is going overboard.

[Sri]

Arsenal held talks with representatives of 12m rated Ashley Willams last week - Goal.com

Rather get Rami,as I feel Williams for 12M bid for him is going overboard.

To be perfectly honest, I would rather hold on to Per, Koscielny and Vermaelen! Djourou is gone, so we should have a good 4th choice CB. If Miquel would step up, I wouldn't see a need to invest in CB positions.

(As I have maintained time and again, I think our defensive issues are more to do with our system & midfield protection than the quality of individual players)

[Alejandro E.Zackarias]

(As I have maintained time and again, I think our defensive issues are more to do with our system & midfield protection than the quality of individual players)

If AW had your brains,we would be cooling our heels assured of a CL spot.Time and again we have seen the Zonal marking fail and fail badly but somehow stubborn AW manages to persist with the same system.

That being said some costly individual(read Verminator) errors,as some user had mentioned some while ago,has also been a primary reason for our suspect defence.

[Alejandro E.Zackarias]

And AW continues to scourge the globe for poaching youngsters as Arsenal have shifted their interests to Milwall's FRED ONYEDINMA and Barca's JOSIMAR and PLEGUEZUELO.

If any one of them turnout be half as good as Gnabry,I would readily agree about the class of scouting system.

[Alejandro E.Zackarias]

And another quick question to the Gooners in here:

Would you like to have Stephane Sessegnon(in case of Sunderland relegation) and Kevin Gameiro(sure to leave PSG) at Arsenal?

[urbaNRoots]

Anyone think that maybe a player exchange (with some money) could see Sagna and Sakho switch clubs this summer?

This is very interesting. If Arsene believes Bellerin can step it up and become our backup to Jenkinson from next season I could see this happening. Or if we signed another experienced RB who can do a job for a year or two.

Although best would be if we just keep Sagna AND sign Sakho

Sagna - Koscielny - Sakho - Gibbs

dat defence

[Sri]

(As I have maintained time and again, I think our defensive issues are more to do with our system & midfield protection than the quality of individual players)

If AW had your brains,we would be cooling our heels assured of a CL spot.
Time and again we have seen the Zonal marking fail and fail badly but somehow stubborn AW manages to persist with the same system.

That being said some costly individual(read Verminator) errors,as some user had mentioned some while ago,has also been a primary reason for our suspect defence.
And AW continues to scourge the globe for poaching youngsters as Arsenal have shifted their interests to Milwall's FRED ONYEDINMA and Barca's JOSIMAR and PLEGUEZUELO.

If any one of them turnout be half as good as Gnabry,I would readily agree about the class of scouting system
And another quick question to the Gooners in here:

Would you like to have Stephane Sessegnon(in case of Sunderland relegation) and Kevin Gameiro(sure to leave PSG) at Arsenal?

Okay. One at a time, here goes:

First thing about me, I believe AW has still got it and have had arguments on this very forum with doubters. For me, there is no question of AW leaving this summer or the next. The man has his flaws, but many seem to (a) be unaware of, or (b) have forgotten what all he has accomplished with what he had at his disposal. I will at no point claim to know better than a legend who has held us in the upper echleons on English football for 17 years straight.

But you have a point about the Zonal marking and our set piece problems. I don't know if switching to man marking would solve that. Set piece errors are as much to do with individuals not doing their job, as to do with the system. GK not taking control, failing to track a run, indecisive defensing, etc.

Why should we stop signing young players? Its not like we sign ONLY young players ffs! Cazorla, Per, Monreal, Arshavin, Rosicky, .... Or do you want to abandon the idea of players like Gnabry, Wilshere, Gibbs , etc. coming through the academy? They are two different things to sign youngsters and to sign established professionals. We follow a balanced strategy. And yet people cry foul for every investment made for the future of the club. Without sugar daddy owners, we can't afford to buy every single player from other teams in a 20 man squad. The idea is to develop your own players, tutored in your philosophy and style of football, and supplement that with the likes of Cazorla and Podolski. Nothing wrong there.

No and no. But that's just me. I would rather see a person who is a step up to what we have. We are well stocked in the attacking midfield and I don't see Gameiro being a step up from Giroud, and definitely not Podolski!

EDIT: BTW, welcome to the forum mate.

[Wilson37]

(As I have maintained time and again, I think our defensive issues are more to do with our system & midfield protection than the quality of individual players)

If AW had your brains,we would be cooling our heels assured of a CL spot.
Time and again we have seen the Zonal marking fail and fail badly but somehow stubborn AW manages to persist with the same system.

That being said some costly individual(read Verminator) errors,as some user had mentioned some while ago,has also been a primary reason for our suspect defence.
And AW continues to scourge the globe for poaching youngsters as Arsenal have shifted their interests to Milwall's FRED ONYEDINMA and Barca's JOSIMAR and PLEGUEZUELO.

If any one of them turnout be half as good as Gnabry,I would readily agree about the class of scouting system
And another quick question to the Gooners in here:

Would you like to have Stephane Sessegnon(in case of Sunderland relegation) and Kevin Gameiro(sure to leave PSG) at Arsenal?

Okay. One at a time, here goes:

First thing about me, I believe AW has still got it and have had arguments on this very forum with doubters. For me, there is no question of AW leaving this summer or the next. The man has his flaws, but many seem to (a) be unaware of, or (b) have forgotten what all he has accomplished with what he had at his disposal. I will at no point claim to know better than a legend who has held us in the upper echleons on English football for 17 years straight.

But you have a point about the Zonal marking and our set piece problems. I don't know if switching to man marking would solve that. Set piece errors are as much to do with individuals not doing their job, as to do with the system. GK not taking control, failing to track a run, indecisive defensing, etc.

Why should we stop signing young players? Its not like we sign ONLY young players ffs! Cazorla, Per, Monreal, Arshavin, Rosicky, .... Or do you want to abandon the idea of players like Gnabry, Wilshere, Gibbs , etc. coming through the academy? They are two different things to sign youngsters and to sign established professionals. We follow a balanced strategy. And yet people cry foul for every investment made for the future of the club. Without sugar daddy owners, we can't afford to buy every single player from other teams in a 20 man squad. The idea is to develop your own players, tutored in your philosophy and style of football, and supplement that with the likes of Cazorla and Podolski. Nothing wrong there.

No and no. But that's just me. I would rather see a person who is a step up to what we have. We are well stocked in the attacking midfield and I don't see Gameiro being a step up from Giroud, and definitely not Podolski!

EDIT: BTW, welcome to the forum mate.

[Jay29]

Arsenal aren't best suited to play a man marking system with their current players because it requires players to match up based on their size and physicality and that means there's a high chance of mis-matches. For example, our tallest defender, Mertesacker, would have to mark a taller player on the other team, but he can be bullied very easily by strong players. Then imagine the likes of Gibbs, Arteta, Wilshere and Cazorla having to man mark players who are bigger and stronger than them. It's just not viable.

Zonal has similar problems in that a player can run into the zone of a player he feels he'd have a definite advantage of, but you can mitigate that problem by marking closer to the edge of the penalty area instead of across the six yard box. The deeper you are, the more susceptible you are to a player "getting a run" on your defenders. Equally, the higher up you are, the more space there is for the ball to be played into, so defenders need to be aware of runners. Our defenders are better equipped to do the latter than the former, hence we use a zonal marking system.

This is all before you even consider the role of the goalkeeper; how assertive he is when coming out to claim to balls into the box and how well he can organise the players.

Anyway; Sessegnon - maybe a season or so ago, but don't need him now. Gameiro - decent, but not my first choice.

[Amar]

Jovetic is good, but isn't a bit too injury prone and inconsistent for such a high price? Exciting player at times, but I'm not convinced by him. We're still far from the market, but is he the best forward we can pick up?

And I don't see us spending that much on Ashley Williams, we don't need him, and for that price you would expect him to be starting.

[Sri]

Jovetic is good, but isn't a bit too injury prone and inconsistent for such a high price? Exciting player at times, but I'm not convinced by him. We're still far from the market, but is he the best forward we can pick up?

And I don't see us spending that much on Ashley Williams, we don't need him, and for that price you would expect him to be starting.

Jo-jo : On paper, he seems to be the best fit. The quality is indubitable. The style is a match. The position fits. (And hence the rumours galore). His release clause is rumoured to be 25m pounds. We seem to have the resources to match that, and Firenze might be willing to do business in the summer, assuming we cough up the moolah and secure the CL spot.

Other forward players who might move this summer, who I see on the same level, are Falcao and Cavani, neither of whom we can afford. Let's be honest here.

Then there are those rumours about Götze. Don't see any reason why BVB or Götze would be interested in doing the deal anyway.

But it does bring out the fact that we might be interested in a AM/Wing player in the mould of Cazorla or Rosicky - take that with Theo's desire for the central role and AW saying he works with Podolski through the middle.

So, instead of looking to bring in an out and out top top top striking option, Wenger might be looking to replace the likes of Bendtner/Chamakh/Park/Arshavin (who will all leave this summer, hopefully) with attacking/wide players and possibly a second choice striker to rotate with Giroud/Podolski/Theo.

I am second guessing our transfer strategy here. And I admit I myself see a few flaws in this line of thought.

But the bottomline for me would be that we would still end up with a team challenging for the top 4 (and maybe domestic cups) and not a team overhauling the Manchester clubs to get to the title. That has to be our first aim. The other 3 cups, for me, are secondary.

[REWB]

Jovetic is good, but isn't a bit too injury prone and inconsistent for such a high price? Exciting player at times, but I'm not convinced by him. We're still far from the market, but is he the best forward we can pick up?

And I don't see us spending that much on Ashley Williams, we don't need him, and for that price you would expect him to be starting.

inconsistent how? ive watched him a few times, and sometimes he has exceptional games and sometimes he has average to above average games, but he never has a gervinho game, and thats the important thing. if he was consistently exceptional every game he would be worth 50-60 million, not 20 million. he is well worth that money in todays market imo.

[Jay29]

But it does bring out the fact that we might be interested in a AM/Wing player in the mould of Cazorla or Rosicky - take that with Theo's desire for the central role and AW saying he works with Podolski through the middle.

Although Wenger does like a good AM, I doubt we've serious interest in one this summer. Walcott's desire to play through the middle is clearly secondary to Wenger's belief that he's better as a wide forward and I think many people would agree with him; Walcott just plain isn't suited to be a lone striker, lacking the selfless movement and ability to hold up the ball to bring teammates into the game.

What he says about Podolski is interesting, especially since he seems to prefer Cazorla on the left nowadays, but I still can't see him as a striker for us in the long-term; maybe he'll fill in there occasionally, but not as a permanent solution to the position. At 27, it's hard to see just how much he can improve his movement.

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