David Moyes is a Football Genius

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Hapless_Hans wrote:while that is true, I'd point out that it wasn't the performances up to November that killed Moyes, it was what happened from December to February.
Then will also be the more appropriate time to compare Moyes and van Gaal.

As for stick, van Gaal already got much more stick in the English media (maybe not from fans) than Moyes did up until almost the very end.

wut

english media destroyed moyes. I only read the Daily Fail, but I rarely see them throwing shit specifically at van Gaal.

About analyzing only results, it's not just that. Moyes didn't have the same level of quality this team has. He was stuck with the likes of Valencia, Welbeck, Cleverley etc. You just can't expect that team to play great football, but when you invest so much and have players like Falcao, Di Maria and all the other players he bought, then you have to expect at least a CL spot.

Manchester United manager Louis van Gaal needs to get back to basics after erratic start in charge at Old Trafford
It is all very well having a grand coaching 'philosophy' but first you have to stop the ball going in your own net -
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With the disparity between the Leicester and QPR games comes the end of Van Gaal’s honeymoon. Surely it must be his job now to come down from the philosophical Olympus and coach this United into shape – starting with the defence.
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In this abundance of roles Van Gaal has still to find the ideal one. He has switched from mode to mode according to circumstance. But he cannot escape the results: the fewest points in the club’s Premier League history, and the lowest ever position after five games. The defeat at Leicester was an implosion on a scale that would leave any coach embarrassed, never mind a former master of Barcelona and Bayern Munich.
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For reasons that are hard to fathom, Van Gaal seems to have convinced himself that the “philosophy” or grand plan would bring Jonny Evans, Phil Jones and the rest up to the requisite level. But the combinations keep changing and the stability is not there.
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only Van Gaal can solve this, by displaying his talent for the thing he says he was born to do: coaching, not as a “philosophy” but an organisational process to stop the ball going in the net. His introduction to English pinball is over. United need him to grab the controls.

Manchester United's Van Gaal cannot be allowed off the hook for dismal Burnley draw
The clock is already ticking on the Reds' new manager and the spotlight will be harsher once the signings are all done and the fat trimmed, writes Andy Dunn

A stellar reputation takes a long time to build… and a short time to dismantle.
And the moments are fast arriving when Louis van Gaal will not have the shortcomings of his playing staff as a shield from scorn.

There is no letting Van Gaal off the hook for Saturday's 0-0 at Burnley - the latest dismal instalment of the fall from the Ferguson years.

Sure, a core of players exists at Old Trafford that is not top-four standard, probably not top half of the table standard.

But if Van Gaal continues to send out those individuals - and his more talented ones - in a system with which they are painfully uncomfortable, then there will be more results like this against inevitable strugglers such as Burnley.
And there will certainly be no title, no Champions League place, no trophies.

Of course, Van Gaal needed money and time. Well, he’s had the money, so the clock starts ticking now.
Elite management is a brutal environment. David Moyes discovered that.

When the signings are done, the fat trimmed and the international break is over, Van Gaal will step back into a harsher spotlight.

He wants three months, six months, a year, before he is judged. There will be no chance of that.

Not if he continues to persuade increasingly dreadful performances from his teams.

Phil Jones - in his own cavalier manner - was effective, but so many of this United side have the harrowed look of employees given either too much instruction or too little.

In play, they get none at all - Van Gaal’s immovability on the bench has almost become an affectation.

He was still there, gathering his notes, when half the pitch had emptied towards the showers.

We all know that touchline gesticulations are worthless, but when there was a lengthy break - for the problem that cut short Angel Di Maria’s decent debut - the United players drifted towards the dug-out… to be met only by a nonplussed-looking Ryan Giggs.

Van Gaal remained deep in the recess, plotting the masterstroke of replacing Di Maria with Anderson.

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But for all the talk of inheriting a squad that was not fit for purpose, for all the talk of being a coach who takes a while to impose his ideas on a club, Van Gaal SHOULD have been able to garner more than two points from league games against Swansea, Sunderland and Burnley.

Rebuilding or not. Changing the philosophy or not.

Van Gaal has failed to sufficiently strengthen his defence, while turning United into football's version of the Harlem Globetrotters with the acquisition of marquee signings like Angel Di Maria and Radamel Falcao.

Had Van Gaal picked a more balanced side, sacrificing one of his 'Gaalacticos' for a more defensive-minded player, perhaps United would not have suffered such a crushing defeat.

Five reasons why Louis van Gaal is a worse Manchester United manager than David Moyes

B-Mac wrote:bringing players in that actually help the squad improve?

Shaw has been great since getting fit, huge improvement defensively over Evra who was a complete liability last season

Di Maria has been great when played in midfield not on wing which has been because of injuries

Herrera has done well and is a huge improvement over Cleverley, Fletcher

Rojo has been ok, only one of our CBs who is playing consistently these days

Falcao is still up in the air because he hasn't been fit, but in his limited minutes he has looked good


and who confirmed Kroos as a target?

funny how Dailymail and Mirror suddenly become reliable sources when convenient for people to take the piss

Louis van Gaal once shouted at a player so fiercely his dentures came out and treats his wife 'disgracefully' when he's had a drink, a book on Manchester United boss claims

A new biography of Louis van Gaal promises to ‘journey into the sinister recesses’ of the Manchester United manager’s character and, boy, does it do just that.

Extracts published on Tuesday detail him treating his second wife Truus in a shocking and humiliating manner brought on by drink, a former player describing the moment Van Gaal shouted at him so fiercely the boss's dentures fell out and how the Dutchman had a string of serious car accidents brought on by the exhaustion of being a full-time PE teacher and a semi-professional footballer.

It is the account of his relationship with Truus, who he married in 2008, which are most chilling.

‘The way he treats Truus in company is ungentlemanly and sometimes downright disgraceful,’ claims author Hugo Borst in O, Louis: In Search Of Louis van Gaal, serialised in The Times.

‘In the company of friends and acquaintances, Louis has made comments that in nine out of 10 marriages would have been grounds for divorce. People who have lunched or dined with Louis say alcohol does not have a favourable effect on him.

RED wrote:He's already getting stick from die hard Sociedad fan Ander Tattero

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Mr Nick09 wrote:

B-Mac wrote:bringing players in that actually help the squad improve?

Shaw has been great since getting fit, huge improvement defensively over Evra who was a complete liability last season

Di Maria has been great when played in midfield not on wing which has been because of injuries

Herrera has done well and is a huge improvement over Cleverley, Fletcher

Rojo has been ok, only one of our CBs who is playing consistently these days

Falcao is still up in the air because he hasn't been fit, but in his limited minutes he has looked good


and who confirmed Kroos as a target?

funny how Dailymail and Mirror suddenly become reliable sources when convenient for people to take the piss

all you did on the transfer market was splashing money to sign players. How that somehow discredit Woodward as being a terrible sporting director and puts all the blame of the previous season on Moyes, i don't know...

Kick wrote:Moysie playing invisible basketball

Hapless_Hans wrote:why is he complaining and shouting to Moysie about a referee decision?

Nishy wrote:Lol Kick.

Can someone explain the incident?

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Hapless_Hans wrote:why is he complaining and shouting to Moysie about a referee decision?

MJ wrote:

Nishy wrote:Lol Kick.

Can someone explain the incident?

I actually got a translated transcript of the event:

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