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Post by Raptorgunner Sun Jan 06, 2013 2:11 am

Arsenal's Arsène Wenger needs to rediscover his Midas touch

http://m.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/jan/05/arsene-wenger-arsenal-swansea



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Post by furiouswindbottom Sun Jan 06, 2013 6:10 am

Raptorgunner wrote:So we have not signed anyone yet? :fishing:


Nope. And anyone we sign from the English leagues wll almost certainly be cup tied now! But, hey...I'm impatient Rolling Eyes

Looks like we are trying to get players partly/fully off the wage bill. Nothing else seems to be happenning.

Forget Villa, Capoue and Cavani. We'll get some dude you've never heard of for 5 million. He'll probably be a small, tricky midfield player. We only have 30 of them so we need another one.

Sorry, just pissed off with RVP scoring all the time and making our club look like a small shitty selling club. Seeing him celebrate makes me want to smash his ugly face in. Fed up with Gazidis and our full of shit board.

We NEED winners to be signed RIGHT *bleep* NOW!! Not some promising kid from Uganda who once tackled Drogba or whatever. Or some winger from Hong Kong who is small, fast, sells shirts but is useless.


Trust me, he's feeling us out when he says ''Japan is an interesting market with promising players...very competitive''.

HELL NO! WE DON'T WANT SOMEONE WHO LOOKS 'PROMISING' IN THE J'LEAGUE. With respect, it's a decent league but nowhere near the standard of the top European Leagues. Gervinho would look like Messi in the J League.

THIS IS ARSENAL! THE TIME IS NOW! DON'T SETTLE FOR LESS THAN WHAT THIS GREAT CLUB DESERVES!


Sniejder
Villa
Arturo Vidal (DM from Juve)


Something like that! Anything! Do something!

Rant over.

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Post by Raptorgunner Sun Jan 06, 2013 6:35 am

The Telegraph says that the average wage at Man U is estimated at £64,000 a week while Arsenal’s is £61,000 a week. :facepalm: Wenger thinks FFP will change this lol. :facepalm:

Wenger and his wage structure, he has too much power at Arsenal. :facepalm:

We are not buying players because Diaby is coming back, Wenger will gamble on Arsenal again. :facepalm:

Wenger stop being a stubborn dictator and start using a billionaire owners money.

David villa
Wanyama/Strootman/ Diame
Mbiwa

Our only Hope is that Usmanov. :bow:
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Post by RedOranje Sun Jan 06, 2013 6:49 am

Yes, absolutely. Arsenal's best hope is becoming the plaything of a rich Russian who will eventually lose interest and leave the club high and dry.
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Post by Raptorgunner Sun Jan 06, 2013 6:55 am

RedOranje wrote:Yes, absolutely. Arsenal's best hope is becoming the plaything of a rich Russian who will eventually lose interest and leave the club high and dry.

I rather have a owner who one day he may lose interest than having one now who has no interest.

I dont see Chelsea slowing down.
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Post by RedOranje Sun Jan 06, 2013 7:19 am

You all give Kroenke far too little credit. But I suppose that's the trend of most supporters these days... instant gratification is more important that a sustainable long term plan.

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Post by furiouswindbottom Sun Jan 06, 2013 8:37 am

RedOranje wrote:You all give Kroenke far too little credit. But I suppose that's the trend of most supporters these days... instant gratification is more important that a sustainable long term plan.


I hope you're right. However, Stan got on the board of Arsenal in Sept 2008. He became the owner in April 2011.

Since he's been on the board our net spend is

08/09= minus 3.5 million
09/10= minus 31 million
10/11= plus 6.8 million
11/12= minus 17.5 million
12/13= plus 300,000 pounds

Please wake up everyone!

This board (post Stan) have NOT SPENT A PENNY!

They have taken in 44.9 million pounds from transfers and it has not been re-invested. Don't give me the arguement about ''he's a shareholder and the money goes back into the club''.

He's the majority shareholder. Arsenal is an investment to him. He is an investor. Nothing more. He plans on bleeding us dry as much as possible, for as long as possible and selling off his stake when the price suits him. I can't see any other reason for his lack of action.

Do not stick up for this muppet. He has done nothing for this club.

David Moyes is considered a genius for working on a tight budget. He is. But, his net spend over the same period is...

08/09 = plus 6.5 million
09/10 = minus 2.8 million
10/11 = minus 1.7 million
11/12= minus 12. 5 million
12/13 = minus 4.8 million

Moyes has worked off minus 15.3 million
Wenger on minus 44.9 million!

I want Arsenal fans around the world to demand that he (Stan) spends this money.

I'm not saying a billionaire owner should just spend his money on players. But I am saying he should invest the money made from players leaving. Otherwise he is just a leech.

You need to ask yourself, what is he here for?

I would love to know the answer.

Remember the number. Stan Kroenke = MINUS44.9 million pounds.


Source?

Have a look and see...

PS I'm not saying Usmanov is the answer..but other board members AND Wenger need to question him a little on transfer policy if we do not spend the money we have made from transfers.




http://www.transferleague.co.uk/premiership-transfers/arsenal-transfers.html
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Post by Artilleristen Sun Jan 06, 2013 10:02 am

RedOranje wrote:You all give Kroenke far too little credit. But I suppose that's the trend of most supporters these days... instant gratification is more important that a sustainable long term plan.

All of the other teams that Stan owns are shitty teams that compete in either the middle of the pack or at the absolute bottom, so how is anything that he is doing at Arsenal any different than the way he manages his other teams?
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Post by TalkingReckless Sun Jan 06, 2013 10:55 am

furiouswindbottom wrote:
RedOranje wrote:You all give Kroenke far too little credit. But I suppose that's the trend of most supporters these days... instant gratification is more important that a sustainable long term plan.


I hope you're right. However, Stan got on the board of Arsenal in Sept 2008. He became the owner in April 2011.

Since he's been on the board our net spend is

08/09= minus 3.5 million
09/10= minus 31 million
10/11= plus 6.8 million
11/12= minus 17.5 million
12/13= plus 300,000 pounds

Please wake up everyone!

This board (post Stan) have NOT SPENT A PENNY!

They have taken in 44.9 million pounds from transfers and it has not been re-invested. Don't give me the arguement about ''he's a shareholder and the money goes back into the club''.

He's the majority shareholder. Arsenal is an investment to him. He is an investor. Nothing more. He plans on bleeding us dry as much as possible, for as long as possible and selling off his stake when the price suits him. I can't see any other reason for his lack of action.

Do not stick up for this muppet. He has done nothing for this club.

David Moyes is considered a genius for working on a tight budget. He is. But, his net spend over the same period is...

08/09 = plus 6.5 million
09/10 = minus 2.8 million
10/11 = minus 1.7 million
11/12= minus 12. 5 million
12/13 = minus 4.8 million

Moyes has worked off minus 15.3 million
Wenger on minus 44.9 million!

I want Arsenal fans around the world to demand that he (Stan) spends this money.

I'm not saying a billionaire owner should just spend his money on players. But I am saying he should invest the money made from players leaving. Otherwise he is just a leech.

You need to ask yourself, what is he here for?

I would love to know the answer.

Remember the number. Stan Kroenke = MINUS44.9 million pounds.


Source?

Have a look and see...

PS I'm not saying Usmanov is the answer..but other board members AND Wenger need to question him a little on transfer policy if we do not spend the money we have made from transfers.




http://www.transferleague.co.uk/premiership-transfers/arsenal-transfers.html

He hasn't taken a single penny from Arsenal, stop spreading lies, it's illegal to take money from a company (aka Arsenal) even if your are the major stakeholder, and all money has been used (contracts) or saved in arsenal bank, it's up to Wenger to use the money, and Wenger himself has said he in charge of using the money or not

We barely make a profit without selling players we would be in the red. Our club still isn't self sufficient, it won't be until our new deals kick in.

Stan isn't as dumb as you think, he made an investment into Arsenal by buying shares and he would want a profit on when he decides to sell, and he is smart enough to know that Arsenal continue the way they are he would make a loss.

We should wait till Wenger's contract ends and he probably retires or leaves, to see what Stan really does, because atm he is putting his trust on Wenger
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Post by furiouswindbottom Sun Jan 06, 2013 11:04 am

Legend wrote:
furiouswindbottom wrote:
RedOranje wrote:You all give Kroenke far too little credit. But I suppose that's the trend of most supporters these days... instant gratification is more important that a sustainable long term plan.


I hope you're right. However, Stan got on the board of Arsenal in Sept 2008. He became the owner in April 2011.

Since he's been on the board our net spend is

08/09= minus 3.5 million
09/10= minus 31 million
10/11= plus 6.8 million
11/12= minus 17.5 million
12/13= plus 300,000 pounds

Please wake up everyone!

This board (post Stan) have NOT SPENT A PENNY!

They have taken in 44.9 million pounds from transfers and it has not been re-invested. Don't give me the arguement about ''he's a shareholder and the money goes back into the club''.

He's the majority shareholder. Arsenal is an investment to him. He is an investor. Nothing more. He plans on bleeding us dry as much as possible, for as long as possible and selling off his stake when the price suits him. I can't see any other reason for his lack of action.

Do not stick up for this muppet. He has done nothing for this club.

David Moyes is considered a genius for working on a tight budget. He is. But, his net spend over the same period is...

08/09 = plus 6.5 million
09/10 = minus 2.8 million
10/11 = minus 1.7 million
11/12= minus 12. 5 million
12/13 = minus 4.8 million

Moyes has worked off minus 15.3 million
Wenger on minus 44.9 million!

I want Arsenal fans around the world to demand that he (Stan) spends this money.

I'm not saying a billionaire owner should just spend his money on players. But I am saying he should invest the money made from players leaving. Otherwise he is just a leech.

You need to ask yourself, what is he here for?

I would love to know the answer.

Remember the number. Stan Kroenke = MINUS44.9 million pounds.


Source?

Have a look and see...

PS I'm not saying Usmanov is the answer..but other board members AND Wenger need to question him a little on transfer policy if we do not spend the money we have made from transfers.




http://www.transferleague.co.uk/premiership-transfers/arsenal-transfers.html

He hasn't taken a single penny from Arsenal, stop spreading lies, it's illegal to take money from a company (aka Arsenal) even if your are the major stakeholder, and all money has been used (contracts) or saved in arsenal bank, it's up to Wenger to use the money, and Wenger himself has said he in charge of using the money or not

We barely make a profit without selling players we would be in the red. Our club still isn't self sufficient, it won't be until our new deals kick in.

Lies? Ok, we have not had a net spend of -44.9 million with this guy on the board.

But, that would be a lie.

I ask you...why is he here? The money is not being re-invested.

If Wenger isn't spending it then yes, it's his fault.

But the FACT is that Kroenke HAS NOT INVESTED IN PLAYERS SO WHY IS HE HERE!!!!!!

I give up sometimes.

Will you be dancing in the streets when we finish 6th and lose the CL money and our best players suddenly want out?

WTF then for Arsenal?

How any fan can stick up for him is beyond me. And, pretty much every gooner I know is anti Kroenke.

Blame the manager if he is not spending the money, but I really don't think that's the issue. He *bleep* up every sports franchise he's had in the states.


His track record is appalling and it worries me.
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Post by furiouswindbottom Sun Jan 06, 2013 12:52 pm

Some gossip. Who knows what's real and what is BS, but here it is.



http://www.footballfancast.com/football-news/premier-league-trio-on-transfer-alert-over-german-ace

http://footylatest.com/arsenal-preparing-8-million-bid-for-midfielder-that-will-not-placate-the-fans/38621

http://www.adifferentleague.co.uk/p6_0_18178_-.html

http://football-talk.co.uk/72440/david-villa-to-push-through-move-as-arsenal-enter-talks-with-barca-over-13-8m-deal/

http://www.insidefutbol.com/2013/01/06/harry-redknapp-lodges-bid-for-arsenal-and-tottenham-hotspur-target-yann-mvila/76486/
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Post by Jay29 Sun Jan 06, 2013 1:18 pm

There are legitimate reasons to dislike Kroenke, but "he hasn't invested in players" can not be one of them. In case you haven't realised it by now, that is not how the club operates. We do not rely on a key figure head for money. We rely on the money we produce ourselves.

Saying money has not been reinvested is also a total lie. Again, in case people haven't realised, there are other expenses for a football club than transfer fees. In fact, it's only around 75% of transfer income that gets used for other transfers. 25% of it is used for other expenses.

The club does bank money, as an emergency in case things go badly. However, the shareholders, and especially not Kroenke, do not pocket large sums of money. The club does not pay dividends to shareholders. Directors pay themselves an annual salary and that's it. Happens in every limited company.

In fact, you can see for yourself by checking the club's financial results, which they must publish every year. If money is going to places where it shouldn't be, then we'd all know, because we could see for ourselves.

Looking at just net spend doesn't show much, either.

In 11/12, for example, we spent a huge £50mil+ on bringing in new players. We accumulated £70mil+ on sales and then went and re-invested it on players. Likewise, last summer we spent £30mil on players, and have just extended the contracts of five players, perhaps soon to be six, which also takes a fairly large amount of money to do.

Whether those players have been good enough is no fault of Kroenke's or the board's. It's a fault of the scouting team who identifies the players and the manager who decides which areas he needs to strengthen.

I certainly do not believe the club is withholding money from Wenger and "money hoarding" is not the one of the gripes I have with Kroenke. My problem with Kroenke is his lack of communication about his intentions for the club and the fact that he may be too content to let Wenger have complete control over spending in the transfer market. I believe he, and the rest of the board, need to pressure Wenger to spend that little bit more.

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Post by SamuelJayC Sun Jan 06, 2013 5:11 pm

Barcelona XI vs Espanyol: Valdés, Alves, Pique, Puyol, Alba, Xavi, Busquets, Iniesta, Cesc, Pedro, Messi.

#FreeDavidVilla
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Post by TalkingReckless Sun Jan 06, 2013 5:59 pm

GoonerJay29 wrote:There are legitimate reasons to dislike Kroenke, but "he hasn't invested in players" can not be one of them. In case you haven't realised it by now, that is not how the club operates. We do not rely on a key figure head for money. We rely on the money we produce ourselves.

Saying money has not been reinvested is also a total lie. Again, in case people haven't realised, there are other expenses for a football club than transfer fees. In fact, it's only around 75% of transfer income that gets used for other transfers. 25% of it is used for other expenses.

The club does bank money, as an emergency in case things go badly. However, the shareholders, and especially not Kroenke, do not pocket large sums of money. The club does not pay dividends to shareholders. Directors pay themselves an annual salary and that's it. Happens in every limited company.

In fact, you can see for yourself by checking the club's financial results, which they must publish every year. If money is going to places where it shouldn't be, then we'd all know, because we could see for ourselves.

Looking at just net spend doesn't show much, either.

In 11/12, for example, we spent a huge £50mil+ on bringing in new players. We accumulated £70mil+ on sales and then went and re-invested it on players. Likewise, last summer we spent £30mil on players, and have just extended the contracts of five players, perhaps soon to be six, which also takes a fairly large amount of money to do.

Whether those players have been good enough is no fault of Kroenke's or the board's. It's a fault of the scouting team who identifies the players and the manager who decides which areas he needs to strengthen.

I certainly do not believe the club is withholding money from Wenger and "money hoarding" is not the one of the gripes I have with Kroenke. My problem with Kroenke is his lack of communication about his intentions for the club and the fact that he may be too content to let Wenger have complete control over spending in the transfer market. I believe he, and the rest of the board, need to pressure Wenger to spend that little bit more.

+1

Our fans just need a scapegoat, be it Ramsey in games, Ivan for not paying enough or Kroenke for doing nothing

i have my opinion reserved on Kroenke until Wenger ends his term (which might be end of this season), atm Wenger is Arsenal, and probably makes all the decisions regarding players and Stan is putting his trust into him
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Post by SamuelJayC Sun Jan 06, 2013 7:19 pm

Adrian Lopez starts for Atletico v Mallorca tonight (ko 8pm), meanwhile David Villa still not on after 60 minutes
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Post by SamuelJayC Sun Jan 06, 2013 10:06 pm

Watched Mallorca 1-1 Atletico tonight.

Adrián López switched between both wings tonight, but was quite average. Lots of pace but didn't step up in absence of Falcao.

Adrián López 2012/13: 20 apps (10 starts), 3 goals, 0 assists. This time last season, he already had 11 goals.

Less convinced about spending £10m+ on him as the season goes on.
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Post by REWB Sun Jan 06, 2013 10:34 pm

thats why im always sceptical about lopez, he has such an average goal scoring record, he may not be the answer to what we need imo. however, one thing we have to take into account is that michu as well had a pretty average goal scoring record in laliga also, yet he is ripping the epl apart atm.
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Post by urbaNRoots Sun Jan 06, 2013 10:40 pm

He isn't a goalscorer, that's why his goalscoring stats are 'average'.

Besides I doubt there are better options out there that want to leave their clubs in the middle of the season.
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Post by 6unner Sun Jan 06, 2013 10:52 pm

Legend wrote:
GoonerJay29 wrote:There are legitimate reasons to dislike Kroenke, but "he hasn't invested in players" can not be one of them. In case you haven't realised it by now, that is not how the club operates. We do not rely on a key figure head for money. We rely on the money we produce ourselves.

Saying money has not been reinvested is also a total lie. Again, in case people haven't realised, there are other expenses for a football club than transfer fees. In fact, it's only around 75% of transfer income that gets used for other transfers. 25% of it is used for other expenses.

The club does bank money, as an emergency in case things go badly. However, the shareholders, and especially not Kroenke, do not pocket large sums of money. The club does not pay dividends to shareholders. Directors pay themselves an annual salary and that's it. Happens in every limited company.

In fact, you can see for yourself by checking the club's financial results, which they must publish every year. If money is going to places where it shouldn't be, then we'd all know, because we could see for ourselves.

Looking at just net spend doesn't show much, either.

In 11/12, for example, we spent a huge £50mil+ on bringing in new players. We accumulated £70mil+ on sales and then went and re-invested it on players. Likewise, last summer we spent £30mil on players, and have just extended the contracts of five players, perhaps soon to be six, which also takes a fairly large amount of money to do.

Whether those players have been good enough is no fault of Kroenke's or the board's. It's a fault of the scouting team who identifies the players and the manager who decides which areas he needs to strengthen.

I certainly do not believe the club is withholding money from Wenger and "money hoarding" is not the one of the gripes I have with Kroenke. My problem with Kroenke is his lack of communication about his intentions for the club and the fact that he may be too content to let Wenger have complete control over spending in the transfer market. I believe he, and the rest of the board, need to pressure Wenger to spend that little bit more.

+1

Our fans just need a scapegoat, be it Ramsey in games, Ivan for not paying enough or Kroenke for doing nothing

i have my opinion reserved on Kroenke until Wenger ends his term (which might be end of this season), atm Wenger is Arsenal, and probably makes all the decisions regarding players and Stan is putting his trust into him

As long as the scapegoat is not Wenger most don't seem to care. Kronke, Gazidis, the board and Wenger have all said he has money available if he finds someone.

I actually do not like Kronke and have not liked him for a long time before he had much of anything to do with AFC. I lived in Dever when Kronke purchased the Avalanche. At the time they were a team competing for everything and on the verge of winning the cup. The first full year the Stan owned the team they actually won the cup. Problem is that every year since then they have fallen into mediocrity just like all of his other sports franchises.
My issue with Silent Stan is just that. He is silent stan, He is a businessman and not a FAN! Since he looks at the club as nothing more than an investment he has little concern over what happens to the club as long as re-investment is not needed. Since he is not a fan, he will sit back and let the business run itself. If the club sells all of its start players he will not card since his investment is and will be safe. If we continue to bring in average players and pay them insane wages so we can not get rid of them, he won't care. He understands that no matter what he will be able to sell any of his franchises whenever he wants at a profit. Relegation in the EPL is a little different but lets not kid ourselves. Even if Arsenal were to get relegated Usamov would still be willing to come in and Stan would still make a profit selling to him.
So do I blame Stan for everything the is wrong with Arsenal right now. No, Not at all. I just wish that he actually was fan and wanted to see us win and that when Wenger and to a lesser extent the board continued to make poor decisions that he would step in.
Usamov would.

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Post by Raptorgunner Mon Jan 07, 2013 3:36 am

Wenger"[Abou] Diaby's coming back and if we find one or two on the transfer market, then [we can cope with the fixture list]," Wenger told the club's official website.
"Let's first keep the players we have and maybe add one or two. We lost Chamakh and Djourou now, so there's some room."

We lost Chamakh and Djourou? what are we going to do with out them. rofl
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Post by CBarca Mon Jan 07, 2013 3:44 am

REWB wrote:thats why im always sceptical about lopez, he has such an average goal scoring record, he may not be the answer to what we need imo. however, one thing we have to take into account is that michu as well had a pretty average goal scoring record in laliga also, yet he is ripping the epl apart atm.

Michu didn't really have an average goal-scoring record tbh.

Michu had 15 goals in La Liga last year and 17 goals overall. That's a good goalscoring return on its own- ignoring the fact that he was playing with Rayo Vallecano.
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Post by MJ Mon Jan 07, 2013 1:38 pm

Get ready for the ridiculous:

Arsenal in for Casillas.

http://www.caughtoffside.com/2013/01/07/arsenal-look-to-pull-off-major-transfer-coup-with-stellar-move-for-real-madrid-skipper-iker-casillas/
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Post by Raptorgunner Mon Jan 07, 2013 2:02 pm

MJGunner wrote:Get ready for the ridiculous:

Arsenal in for Casillas.

http://www.caughtoffside.com/2013/01/07/arsenal-look-to-pull-off-major-transfer-coup-with-stellar-move-for-real-madrid-skipper-iker-casillas/

OMG. :facepalm: :facepalm:

They should shut this site down.
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Post by Raptorgunner Mon Jan 07, 2013 3:13 pm

I think if Theo had signed by now, we would have signed other players. Wenger is just taking his sweet ass time, looking for that Top Top Top player, which we all know he is lying about.

Theo make up your mind and stop wasting time.
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