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Football fans are some of the most stupidest and hypocritical people alive. "The Europa League/Carling Cup/Copa del Rey/CWC/Spanish Super Cup etc is a useless competition and doesn't mean anything" LOL!

Tell that to Llorente who had tears streaming down his face when Bilbao reached the Europa League final, tell that to Jack Wilshere who was devasted when Arsenal lost the Carling Cup, tell that to Messi who was distraught when Barca got knocked out of the Copa by Sevilla. Can you look into the eyes of the South American teams who desperatly wanted to win the CWC and tell them that it means nothing? How about the Madrid players who loved winning the Super Cup against Barca?

Football fans have absolutely no idea what the hell they are talking about, all they do is spew rubbish and try to discredit a competition when their teams loses it. Thank god the players themselves do no think like this, otherwise football would be dead. The Chelsea players wanted to win that trophy yesterday, no matter what fans say.

Dnmac4 wrote:

Blue wrote:Lmao at people knee jerking, taking Chelsea loss and Alti victory as some sort of La Liga statement.

Shit when Zenit beated Man U a few years ago, were you guys saying RPL>EPL?

ffs the Chelsea players barely cared, this second tier trophy meant a lot more to Alti and their effort showed that. If this was an important match for us we would have prevented Courtois from playing.

Super Cup ranks on the same tier as the Community shield, not bothered we lost.

But Ramires on the wing and Lampard being ultra attacking is a major concern.

I am so tired of hearing this from posters. IT is the biggest BS ever.

Some United supporters tried to say it too after Bilbao beat the shit out of them and said 3 of there starters didn't play and just didn't mention that 3 of Bilbao's starters didn't play either.

Chelsea put there best team out there and the game was over by halftime, that's why it looked like they weren't trying is because they got so totally dominated that it looked like they didn't care.

They got destroyed, deal with it. They went in there overconfident and got there face kicked in.

These are professionals in a game with a trophy on the line, they tried, I watched the game you can tell.

And if they didn't then please just don't bother showing up to the Club World Cup and embarrass Europe.

Why is it always EPL fans saying there teams just don't try in these games, it is such horse shit. Put out an experimental squad then.

And it's funny EPL fans think they are the judges of what trophies are important and what are not when they have the dumb ass Carling Cup.

IT's another one, when there team wins they have a celebration and if they lose they weren't trying.

Lets be honest i hate United, but they did not take Bilbao seriously, United were in two of the last three CL finals and there is no way they give a damn about Europa.

Additionally there is no financial incentive for United or any EPL team to go far in the Europa tournament since there is more money involved in the FA tournament. On the other La Liga teams find the tournament lucrative.

i am not saying Chelsea players uninterested attitude was intentional, it just happens when you play in some uninteresting cup. While Alti players treated it like one of their biggest game of the season, and chance to play against the European Champion.

It sucks as a fan to see that piss poor effort from our players, but hey at least a lot of our supporters didn't even travel to the game.

In 1998 Chelsea beated the heavily favorite Real Madrid for the first ever super cup in Monaco, so it always been a day for the underdog.

Jonathan28 wrote:Football fans are some of the most stupidest and hypocritical people alive. "The Europa League/Carling Cup/Copa del Rey/CWC/Spanish Super Cup etc is a useless competition and doesn't mean anything" LOL!

Tell that to Llorente who had tears streaming down his face when Bilbao reached the Europa League final, tell that to Jack Wilshere who was devasted when Arsenal lost the Carling Cup, tell that to Messi who was distraught when Barca got knocked out of the Copa by Sevilla. Can you look into the eyes of the South American teams who desperatly wanted to win the CWC and tell them that it means nothing? How about the Madrid players who loved winning the Super Cup against Barca?

Football fans have absolutely no idea what the hell they are talking about, all they do is spew rubbish and try to discredit a competition when their teams loses it. Thank god the players themselves do no think like this, otherwise football would be dead. The Chelsea players wanted to win that trophy yesterday, no matter what fans say.

For Liornete the biggest trophy he will ever play for at Bilbao is the Europa trophy, yeah i don't expect anyone in his shoes to be any different in his circumstance.

As for Wilshere, it just shows how far Arsenal have fallen. Carling cup is considered a trophy to them.

South American clubs take the club world cup seriously, because how much their leagues are disrespected and looked down upon. tbh i think the Brazilian league could make a case for the best league in the world outside of Bundesliga, Serie A, La Liga, and EPL.

When spanish team loses they suck.
When a spanish team wins oh the english weren't trying etc.

Stay mad hoof ball specialists

How is dnmac a clown? Does the truth hurt? Or maybe living in that poor rainy country pisses off people

Blue wrote:

Dnmac4 wrote:

Blue wrote:Lmao at people knee jerking, taking Chelsea loss and Alti victory as some sort of La Liga statement.

Shit when Zenit beated Man U a few years ago, were you guys saying RPL>EPL?

ffs the Chelsea players barely cared, this second tier trophy meant a lot more to Alti and their effort showed that. If this was an important match for us we would have prevented Courtois from playing.

Super Cup ranks on the same tier as the Community shield, not bothered we lost.

But Ramires on the wing and Lampard being ultra attacking is a major concern.

I am so tired of hearing this from posters. IT is the biggest BS ever.

Some United supporters tried to say it too after Bilbao beat the shit out of them and said 3 of there starters didn't play and just didn't mention that 3 of Bilbao's starters didn't play either.

Chelsea put there best team out there and the game was over by halftime, that's why it looked like they weren't trying is because they got so totally dominated that it looked like they didn't care.

They got destroyed, deal with it. They went in there overconfident and got there face kicked in.

These are professionals in a game with a trophy on the line, they tried, I watched the game you can tell.

And if they didn't then please just don't bother showing up to the Club World Cup and embarrass Europe.

Why is it always EPL fans saying there teams just don't try in these games, it is such horse shit. Put out an experimental squad then.

And it's funny EPL fans think they are the judges of what trophies are important and what are not when they have the dumb ass Carling Cup.

IT's another one, when there team wins they have a celebration and if they lose they weren't trying.

Lets be honest i hate United, but they did not take Bilbao seriously, United were in two of the last three CL finals and there is no way they give a damn about Europa.

Additionally there is no financial incentive for United or any EPL team to go far in the Europa tournament since there is more money involved in the FA tournament. On the other La Liga teams find the tournament lucrative.

i am not saying Chelsea players uninterested attitude was intentional, it just happens when you play in some uninteresting cup. While Alti players treated it like one of their biggest game of the season, and chance to play against the European Champion.

It sucks as a fan to see that piss poor effort from our players, but hey at least a lot of our supporters didn't even travel to the game.

In 1998 Chelsea beated the heavily favorite Real Madrid for the first ever super cup in Monaco, so it always been a day for the underdog.

Jonathan28 wrote:Football fans are some of the most stupidest and hypocritical people alive. "The Europa League/Carling Cup/Copa del Rey/CWC/Spanish Super Cup etc is a useless competition and doesn't mean anything" LOL!

Tell that to Llorente who had tears streaming down his face when Bilbao reached the Europa League final, tell that to Jack Wilshere who was devasted when Arsenal lost the Carling Cup, tell that to Messi who was distraught when Barca got knocked out of the Copa by Sevilla. Can you look into the eyes of the South American teams who desperatly wanted to win the CWC and tell them that it means nothing? How about the Madrid players who loved winning the Super Cup against Barca?

Football fans have absolutely no idea what the hell they are talking about, all they do is spew rubbish and try to discredit a competition when their teams loses it. Thank god the players themselves do no think like this, otherwise football would be dead. The Chelsea players wanted to win that trophy yesterday, no matter what fans say.

For Liornete the biggest trophy he will ever play for at Bilbao is the Europa trophy, yeah i don't expect anyone in his shoes to be any different in his circumstance.

As for Wilshere, it just shows how far Arsenal have fallen. Carling cup is considered a trophy to them.

South American clubs take the club world cup seriously, because how much their leagues are disrespected and looked down upon. tbh i think the Brazilian league could make a case for the best league in the world outside of Bundesliga, Serie A, La Liga, and EPL.

UH, or what happened was Chelsea were so outplayed in the first half trying to go head to head with Atletico and try and actually play football instead of Counter Attacking and parking the bus tactics that they were lost and didn't have a system to lean on to try and come back, so they just looked lost and utterly pathetic trying to play actual football against a Spanish team.

And they couldn't string 3 passes together to form any kind of attack before the game got out of hand in a hurry.

Atletico forced them into there game which Chelsea did in the CL to other teams by parking the bus when needed and counter attacking and there is nothing wrong with it.

Chelsea thought since they were succsessful early this year in the EPL and could play open against some English teams they could do the same against a Spanish team who BTW finished in the same place in the table last year as Chelsea did and they got a sound reminder of who they really are on the European stage and the tactics that got them to that game and representing all of Europe's Domestic leagues in the Club World Cup.

And I for one will be pissed if they try that shit again in the CWC while representing all of our leagues because Corinthians will tear them a new asshole as well.

They won the CL by getting on fire and parking the bus when they had to and trying to win off capitalizing on a couple chances a game. They beat Barca that way and we took our loss like a man, did the better team win, no, but that's football and congrats but not once would I ever say we didn't try.

Hey, I will take my loss like a man. We lost to Real and I and Barca's players were pissed after we lost the super copa over two legs. It's a trophy and IMO we played better but were done in by the massive talent gap between our keeper and theres. But we played our ass of and in the end lost.

Face it, you probably don't watch much La Liga and sometimes you see the big score lines and think the league is a joke. It is because most of the teams in the league especially before Mou got there don't have park the bus in there vocabulary, it's not in the Spanish culture to play that way.

They would rather go out and lose 5-1 and show there flair and technical abilities and go head to head and leave it all on the field then go and park the bus and systematically foul an opponent and try to win off one chance.

For me that's why I like La Liga and it's my favorite league. And it's the same reason your wrong about saying playing Man U was Bilbao's biggest game of there lives and they tried there ass off and Man U didn't. A. It's how they play every game and B. I think the Copa Del Rey final against Barca was a little more important to them. You have to remember they beat United badly over two legs, it wasn't a one off thing.

And fergie made the same mistake that Chelsea did and he did it in both CL finals against Barca as well trying to play an in form Spanish team straight up and not having the technical quality to play there game. They were also playing Barca but the same fact remains as he got killed against Bilbao as well and they finished 10th in our league last year.

^ lol why are you so upset?

We lost and played poorly, that is pretty much it.

Blue wrote:

Lets be honest i hate United, but they did not take Bilbao seriously, United were in two of the last three CL finals and there is no way they give a damn about Europa.

this is brilliant... so when they played against basel, they cared about the competition but weren't good enough to win, but when they played bilbao, a team significantly better than basel, the only reason they got smacked around was that they didn't care?

if you believe that, i have a proposition from my business partner in nigeria, he'll be in touch with you...

lszanto wrote:^ lol why are you so upset?

We lost and played poorly, that is pretty much it.

Probably because of this post i suppose

Blue wrote:Lmao at people knee jerking, taking Chelsea loss and Alti victory as some sort of La Liga statement.

Shit when Zenit beated Man U a few years ago, were you guys saying RPL>EPL?

ffs the Chelsea players barely cared, this second tier trophy meant a lot more to Alti and their effort showed that. If this was an important match for us we would have prevented Courtois from playing.

Super Cup ranks on the same tier as the Community shield, not bothered we lost.

Blue wrote:
Lets be honest i hate United, but they did not take Bilbao seriously, United were in two of the last three CL finals and there is no way they give a damn about Europa.

Additionally there is no financial incentive for United or any EPL team to go far in the Europa tournament since there is more money involved in the FA tournament. On the other La Liga teams find the tournament lucrative.

i am not saying Chelsea players uninterested attitude was intentional, it just happens when you play in some uninteresting cup. While Alti players treated it like one of their biggest game of the season, and chance to play against the European Champion.

It sucks as a fan to see that piss poor effort from our players, but hey at least a lot of our supporters didn't even travel to the game.

In 1998 Chelsea beated the heavily favorite Real Madrid for the first ever super cup in Monaco, so it always been a day for the underdog.

For Liornete the biggest trophy he will ever play for at Bilbao is the Europa trophy, yeah i don't expect anyone in his shoes to be any different in his circumstance.

As for Wilshere, it just shows how far Arsenal have fallen. Carling cup is considered a trophy to them.

South American clubs take the club world cup seriously, because how much their leagues are disrespected and looked down upon. tbh i think the Brazilian league could make a case for the best league in the world outside of Bundesliga, Serie A, La Liga, and EPL.

I am sure these guys are more exciting of the prospect of playing the Spanish big two and slowly slowly improving and getting better doing their absolute best but still being one or two steps below us than to just jog past the stupid English midfield that never was and have premfaces pretend they didn't care

Imagine if they won a Copa Del Rey beating Barca/Real in the final, just look how much they would celebrate you'd probably think they won the WC with San Marino ffs

stop with the excuses, try and improve and then we will let you play against Almeria and see whether you have improved that "midfield" of yours heck you'd probably get outplayed by them as well

halamadrid2 wrote:

lszanto wrote:^ lol why are you so upset?

We lost and played poorly, that is pretty much it.

Probably because of this post i suppose

Blue wrote:Lmao at people knee jerking, taking Chelsea loss and Alti victory as some sort of La Liga statement.

Shit when Zenit beated Man U a few years ago, were you guys saying RPL>EPL?

ffs the Chelsea players barely cared, this second tier trophy meant a lot more to Alti and their effort showed that. If this was an important match for us we would have prevented Courtois from playing.

Super Cup ranks on the same tier as the Community shield, not bothered we lost.

What is wrong with saying he doesn't believe his players gave 100%?

Watch the tracking back, lack of closing down and tell me those are players giving everything they have like it is a CL final or an EPL winning fixture.

I guess Brighton are better than us aswell? They beat us 3-1 in preseason, it's a shame we are not even better than a Championship team.

Expect Chelsea to be in nPower League 1 in 2 years.

After 4-0 down against a team you haven't even created a chance, its not abnormal to give up, you tried to play them at their own game at the start and got dispossessed with ease by their midfielders its hard for Hazard and Mata to do anything when they have no passing options because the midfield is closed up by Atleti, Atleti had it so easy by passing your midfield i though i was watching us against Almeria ffs

I guess when you win CWC it will be because that one was more important than the Uefa Super Cup :rolleyes:

halamadrid2 wrote:After 4-0 down against a team you haven't even created a chance, its not abnormal to give up, you tried to play them at their own game at the start and got dispossessed with ease by their midfielders its hard for Hazard and Mata to do anything when they have no passing options because the midfield is closed up by Atleti, Atleti had it so easy by passing your midfield i though i was watching us against Almeria ffs

I guess when you win CWC it will be because that one was more important than the Uefa Super Cup :rolleyes:

Did you even read what I said?

Our players did not track back once when Atleti countered. Most of the time it was 3v3 or 4v3 at the back, Lampard, Ramires, Ivanovic and Mikel just sat up the pitch and watched. Look at Cole on the second goal, he doesn't even move, just raises his leg in the air.

It's not like they "gave up" after being 4 down, from the beginning we were lazy and sluggish.

It doesn't really matter either way if you agree or not, we're a team everybody loves to hate so anytime we lose or something hapens it just gets blown way out of proportion.

People were calling for RDM to be fired at halftime

lszanto wrote:Did you even read what I said?

Our players did not track back once when Atleti countered. Most of the time it was 3v3 or 4v3 at the back, Lampard, Ramires, Ivanovic and Mikel just sat up the pitch and watched. Look at Cole on the second goal, he doesn't even move, just raises his leg in the air.

It's not like they "gave up" after being 4 down, from the beginning we were lazy and sluggish.

what do you mean track back, did you even attack at the start??? they were just walking past you you were trying to defend and not track back and got completely run over

And btw Atleti is NOT an average team ffs so whats with the comparison to Brighton

you werent lazy, you couldnt create.. which is the most common thing for chelsea lately

lszanto wrote:People were calling for RDM to be fired at halftime

well lets just say he got EVERYTHING completely wrong, so its not so far-fetched for people to not think he is cut for the job, heck nobody said that Mou should've been firedafter our 5-0 loss to Barca, Mourinho is a top coach RDM is not and was not hence the difference in opinion... RDM will have to do alot to win people over

halamadrid2 wrote:

lszanto wrote:Did you even read what I said?

Our players did not track back once when Atleti countered. Most of the time it was 3v3 or 4v3 at the back, Lampard, Ramires, Ivanovic and Mikel just sat up the pitch and watched. Look at Cole on the second goal, he doesn't even move, just raises his leg in the air.

It's not like they "gave up" after being 4 down, from the beginning we were lazy and sluggish.

what do you mean track back, did you even attack at the start??? they were just walking past you you were trying to defend and not track back and got completely run over

And btw Atleti is NOT an average team ffs so whats with the comparison to Brighton

It's pretty obvious you didn't watch the match, all 3 of Falcao's goals were scored on counter attacks. At least watch a highlights reel before pretending you watched it. I'm assuming you got most of your info from goal.com's match report?

Atleti beat us as did Brighton, obviously both teams are far better than us.

i am sure most of us one this forum can agree that Atleti could have won this game by over 10-0 their first chance was inside the first min ffs, Falcao hitting the cross bar after only 2 or so mins.... don't pretend as if you attacked they had you around their index finger from the get go

Athletico compared to brighton

Chelsea need to improve their possession play.

Yohan Modric wrote:Chelsea need to improve their possession play.

MT.. your name change

A) Just because Atleti handed Chelsea their ass off doesn't make La Liga better than the EPL, which is a vastly superior competition because of primarily one reason: money. The gap is not as big as most premier-fans believe, and La Liga has very good sides when their first eleven is fit, but besides Barca and Madrid almost no teams have enough depth.

B) There is not enough praise for Simeone in this thread, and that is wrong.

lszanto wrote:

halamadrid2 wrote:

lszanto wrote:Did you even read what I said?

Our players did not track back once when Atleti countered. Most of the time it was 3v3 or 4v3 at the back, Lampard, Ramires, Ivanovic and Mikel just sat up the pitch and watched. Look at Cole on the second goal, he doesn't even move, just raises his leg in the air.

It's not like they "gave up" after being 4 down, from the beginning we were lazy and sluggish.

what do you mean track back, did you even attack at the start??? they were just walking past you you were trying to defend and not track back and got completely run over

And btw Atleti is NOT an average team ffs so whats with the comparison to Brighton

It's pretty obvious you didn't watch the match, all 3 of Falcao's goals were scored on counter attacks. At least watch a highlights reel before pretending you watched it. I'm assuming you got most of your info from goal.com's match report?

Atleti beat us as did Brighton, obviously both teams are far better than us.

Wow, Brighton was a preseason game and this was a game with a trophy on the line in which you started your best team and tried to win plus you got there by winning the Champions League FFS.

How you can even link the two in your head is beyond me and then thinking it was smart enough to type on your keyboard and put it up on the internet for all to see is just dumb.

I'm sorry, there is just no other word to describe your post.

This discussion is stupid.Heh,We all know Chelsea went to Monaco 4-1 reason.

B) There is not enough praise for Simeone in this thread, and that is wrong.

Amen to that one. Best sentence in the whole thread.

Simeone