uefa super cup

vivabarca38 wrote:

jibers wrote:

Dnmac4 wrote:True but a lot of people think that the winner of La Liga would win any other league as well and if you go by the results of Barca demolishing United Twice, City and United getting knocked out of the group stage of the CL Last year and then the likes of Bilbao and Atletico demolishing top 4 EPL teams what he's saying is pretty much correct.

Not to mention Madrid killing Spurs in the CL two years ago.

But yes your right, and I agree kind of with your OP this MAdrid team as constructed really hasn't won much and try to hang on Barca's coat tales when league debates start up.

But you kind of have to agree that this last 5 years of BArca's team will go down in history as one of the best teams ever but MAdrid no although they could probably win any other leage since Mou has been there.

Barce destroyed us in rome? get a grip ffs. We didnt take our chances. Go and rewtahc the game. Typical revisionist history. Madrid would win this, madrid would iwn that, they are in la liga, stop talking about fantasy. Barcelona are the best of all time blah blah blah, where was the GOAt team when inter smahed them, where wassthe GOAt team when Madrid and chelsea beat them? I await the excuses. Cruyffs Ajax didnt have any.

When were these chances that you speak of?Also Sacchis Milan team is regarded by some people as the best team of all time,however they failed to win Seria A 3 times in a row.I guess they suck too.

regarded by some. But anyone with a avast football knowledge would ever say such nonsene. They werent even the best in their league. Ajax, Madrid, peps barca and di stefanos rm are far greater teams seeing as they did far more in their cycles. Yea we had chances. ROnaldo, park, giggs. If ronaldo wasnt trying to be a hero we could have done much better. HAd as shite a game as the 1st league classico last year

Dnmac is a clown. Avoid him at all costs.

jibers wrote:

vivabarca38 wrote:

jibers wrote:

Dnmac4 wrote:True but a lot of people think that the winner of La Liga would win any other league as well and if you go by the results of Barca demolishing United Twice, City and United getting knocked out of the group stage of the CL Last year and then the likes of Bilbao and Atletico demolishing top 4 EPL teams what he's saying is pretty much correct.

Not to mention Madrid killing Spurs in the CL two years ago.

But yes your right, and I agree kind of with your OP this MAdrid team as constructed really hasn't won much and try to hang on Barca's coat tales when league debates start up.

But you kind of have to agree that this last 5 years of BArca's team will go down in history as one of the best teams ever but MAdrid no although they could probably win any other leage since Mou has been there.

Barce destroyed us in rome? get a grip ffs. We didnt take our chances. Go and rewtahc the game. Typical revisionist history. Madrid would win this, madrid would iwn that, they are in la liga, stop talking about fantasy. Barcelona are the best of all time blah blah blah, where was the GOAt team when inter smahed them, where wassthe GOAt team when Madrid and chelsea beat them? I await the excuses. Cruyffs Ajax didnt have any.

When were these chances that you speak of?Also Sacchis Milan team is regarded by some people as the best team of all time,however they failed to win Seria A 3 times in a row.I guess they suck too.

regarded by some. But anyone with a avast football knowledge would ever say such nonsene. They werent even the best in their league. Ajax, Madrid, peps barca and di stefanos rm are far greater teams seeing as they did far more in their cycles. Yea we had chances. ROnaldo, park, giggs. If ronaldo wasnt trying to be a hero we could have done much better. HAd as shite a game as the 1st league classico last year

Fair enough.

jibers wrote:

Dnmac4 wrote:True but a lot of people think that the winner of La Liga would win any other league as well and if you go by the results of Barca demolishing United Twice, City and United getting knocked out of the group stage of the CL Last year and then the likes of Bilbao and Atletico demolishing top 4 EPL teams what he's saying is pretty much correct.

Not to mention Madrid killing Spurs in the CL two years ago.

But yes your right, and I agree kind of with your OP this MAdrid team as constructed really hasn't won much and try to hang on Barca's coat tales when league debates start up.

But you kind of have to agree that this last 5 years of [b]BArca's team will go down in history as one of the best teams ever[/b] but MAdrid no, although they could probably win any other leaage since Mou has been there.

Barce destroyed us in rome? get a grip ffs. We didnt take our chances. Go and rewtahc the game. Typical revisionist history. Madrid would win this, madrid would iwn that, they are in la liga, stop talking about fantasy. Barcelona are the best of all time blah blah blah, where was the GOAt team when inter smahed them, where wassthe GOAt team when Madrid and chelsea beat them? I await the excuses. Cruyffs Ajax didnt have any.

Oh god here we go again with this guy. YEs, you were favored in that game and then Barca blew the doors off of you.

Any non Man U fan and most sensible Man U fans will tell you in Rome you got your ass handed to you for 80% of the game, yes you looked good for the first 10 minutes after that it got real ugly for the rest of the game for United put what ever slant you want on it but I'm just speaking the obvious truth, not to mention it was a MASSIVE changing of the guard in European club football.

AS for Trophies, Pep's Barca won 14 in 4 years, I never said they were the best team ever and even went up and bolded and underlined what I said which is that they will go down as one of the greatest teams in the history of football which they will, no questions asked. They have done things that no other teams have accomplished and have a homegrown group of talent that you may never see again on the same team that all came up together.

None of this can be argued so that must be why your changing my words around and basically telling lies and foaming at the mouth.

REWB wrote:@ dnmac mata scored as much goals and assists in laliga as he is doing in the epl. How was he not rated highly in laliga when he was creating and scoring 15+ goal every season stop chatting out of your ass. YOU didnt rate him, but the rest of laliga did, that is why chelsea brought him.

I said he was an above average player but was not a star like he is in the EPL. 90% of LA Liga fans will agree with me btw as we have had this discussion.

He had 14/12 goals and assists and 9/18 his last two seasons there one in which Villa and Silva were not there and he didn't step up and take the team over.

Not to mention he had 7 goals and 11 assists in 28 European games at least half being Europa league. So again, he was not some kind of superstart just like us La Liga fans have said but a very good player.

He was a good player in La Liga but a step down from the cream of the league.

Which is what most of us LA Liga fans have been saying for a long, long time.

Mata was a nobody in LaLiga ffs, and so was Silva for that matter

any technical midfielder will do wonder in PL or against them which is why people are comparing Hazard with Ozil all of a sudden

Also Luiz, best player for Atletico yesterday

A lot of technical La Liga players do well in the EPL.

The solution is SWANSEA FOR EUROPE

halamadrid2 wrote:Mata was a nobody in LaLiga ffs, and so was Silva for that matter

any technical midfielder will do wonder in PL or against them which is why people are comparing Hazard with Ozil all of a sudden

I know, you get two of the biggest Premface clowns making up there own history in a league they don't even watch.

I don't even know why we have to have this discussion again as all of us LA Liga fans have had numerous threads on it.

halamadrid2 wrote:Mata was a nobody in LaLiga ffs, and so was Silva for that matter

any technical midfielder will do wonder in PL or against them which is why people are comparing Hazard with Ozil all of a sudden

Wait what?

Anyone who watched La Liga regularly could see the talent they both had. I remember having discussions with Barca fans a couple years back before Pedro showed up wondering if Barcelona should buy Silva, Suarez, Mata etc, I remember both the names Silva and Mata coming up many times.

They were not nobodies. Stop making things up because you guys want to sound superior to Premier League fans.

Benat is as much known as they were ffs

watch, if he ever goes to EPL they will say he was always the star in LaLiga, and with the transfers you guys make no wonder you were tracking them :rolleyes:

Mata was a good player in La liga, but Silva was still a great player then. Also, I dont think La liga can compete with EPL, they will eventually get too far ahead. As of now, EPL and LA liga are quite close but EPL will soon dominate with the financial benefits they have over LA liga teams.

Also teams like Bilbao and Atleti even are made for knockout matches, they always struggle against small teams in the league. They just dont have enough quality.

its better for LaLiga teams to not have money or else they will turn into a foreign league losing their identity like EPL just buying players from outside, heck half of Swansea are from Spain ffs

halamadrid2 wrote:its better for LaLiga teams to not have money or else they will turn into a foreign league losing their identity like EPL just buying players from outside, heck half of Swansea are from Spain ffs

That really is hilarious coming from a Madrid fan.

4 Spanish players starting, 2 others get regular playing time(used to be three with Granero)

other starters have been in Spain since their teen ala Marcelo and Higuain, how many left?? 6??? one former ballon d'or winner you just need in your team and one of the best CB's in the world

Thats pretty much a whole line up and regular subs made up of Spanish player heck pretty much the whole team is made up of Iberian players

You can justify the foreigners in your team as much as you want but the facts are that you have seven of them starting and you're one of the richest teams in the world. There is nothing wrong with that.

However your comment made it seem like you want the rest of la liga to stay poor so they can maintain the Spanish identity while Real Madrid does whatever it wants. No offence but I thought that was pretty funny.

Lmao at people knee jerking, taking Chelsea loss and Alti victory as some sort of La Liga statement.

Shit when Zenit beated Man U a few years ago, were you guys saying RPL>EPL?

ffs the Chelsea players barely cared, this second tier trophy meant a lot more to Alti and their effort showed that. If this was an important match for us we would have prevented Courtois from playing.

Super Cup ranks on the same tier as the Community shield, not bothered we lost.

But Ramires on the wing and Lampard being ultra attacking is a major concern.

Blue wrote:

ffs the Chelsea players barely cared, this second tier trophy meant a lot more to Alti and their effort showed that. If this was an important match for us we would have prevented Courtois from playing.

Bullllllllllllllshit

elitedam wrote:You can justify the foreigners in your team as much as you want but the facts are that you have seven of them starting and you're one of the richest teams in the world. There is nothing wrong with that.

However your comment made it seem like you want the rest of la liga to stay poor so they can maintain the Spanish identity while Real Madrid does whatever it wants. No offence but I thought that was pretty funny.

fair enough, my point was its easy to find talent in Spain and if they had money it would always be spent on guys from abroad, not the best way to preserve Spain's identity

Also without us most teams would be very bad in LaLiga every year we supply at least 3 canteras to other teams in Spain with an imaginary buy-back clause that is never triggered anyways so they have us to thank to some extent

Blue wrote: If this was an important match for us we would have prevented Courtois from playing.

it wouldn't really have mattered anyways, the guy was probably better off getting a couch and a newspaper to read while your defence were disintegrating slowly slowly by Atletis quick attacks.... fact is you were clueless and its not very hard to see that

CBarca wrote:

halamadrid2 wrote:Mata was a nobody in LaLiga ffs, and so was Silva for that matter

any technical midfielder will do wonder in PL or against them which is why people are comparing Hazard with Ozil all of a sudden

Wait what?

Anyone who watched La Liga regularly could see the talent they both had. I remember having discussions with Barca fans a couple years back before Pedro showed up wondering if Barcelona should buy Silva, Suarez, Mata etc, I remember both the names Silva and Mata coming up many times.

They were not nobodies. Stop making things up because you guys want to sound superior to Premier League fans.

Yea, Hala took it to another level saying he was a nobody but I knew what he meant since we have had these threads before.

Mata was a good player in La Liga but he was not the cream of the crop in the league and there were many better players then him in the league.

Basically he was not a star by any means but still a good player.

But in the EPL he looks super human because he can keep control of the ball , has a great first touch and find small passing angles which is second nature in LA Liga for there attacking midfielders.

Hala was just exaggerating and BTW I don't really agree with him about Silva as he was a much better player in La Liga then Mata.

But Barca was never really interested in buying Mata, they wanted Silva in some windows and so did Madrid but Valencia didn't want to sell to MAdrid for whatever reasons and Barca had to chose between Silva and Villa and they took the better of the two as Valencia held onto the pair as long as they could but had to sell them off to pay there debts. In fact when we bought Ibra we really wanted Villa but Valencia just wouldn't sell him that year even though they knew they would eventually have to.

Blue wrote:Lmao at people knee jerking, taking Chelsea loss and Alti victory as some sort of La Liga statement.

Shit when Zenit beated Man U a few years ago, were you guys saying RPL>EPL?

ffs the Chelsea players barely cared, this second tier trophy meant a lot more to Alti and their effort showed that. If this was an important match for us we would have prevented Courtois from playing.

Super Cup ranks on the same tier as the Community shield, not bothered we lost.

But Ramires on the wing and Lampard being ultra attacking is a major concern.

I am so tired of hearing this from posters. IT is the biggest BS ever.

Some United supporters tried to say it too after Bilbao beat the shit out of them and said 3 of there starters didn't play and just didn't mention that 3 of Bilbao's starters didn't play either.

Chelsea put there best team out there and the game was over by halftime, that's why it looked like they weren't trying is because they got so totally dominated that it looked like they didn't care.

They got destroyed, deal with it. They went in there overconfident and got there face kicked in.

These are professionals in a game with a trophy on the line, they tried, I watched the game you can tell.

And if they didn't then please just don't bother showing up to the Club World Cup and embarrass Europe.

Why is it always EPL fans saying there teams just don't try in these games, it is such horse shit. Put out an experimental squad then.

And it's funny EPL fans think they are the judges of what trophies are important and what are not when they have the dumb ass Carling Cup.

IT's another one, when there team wins they have a celebration and if they lose they weren't trying.

Football fans are some of the most stupidest and hypocritical people alive. "The Europa League/Carling Cup/Copa del Rey/CWC/Spanish Super Cup etc is a useless competition and doesn't mean anything" LOL!

Tell that to Llorente who had tears streaming down his face when Bilbao reached the Europa League final, tell that to Jack Wilshere who was devasted when Arsenal lost the Carling Cup, tell that to Messi who was distraught when Barca got knocked out of the Copa by Sevilla. Can you look into the eyes of the South American teams who desperatly wanted to win the CWC and tell them that it means nothing? How about the Madrid players who loved winning the Super Cup against Barca?

Football fans have absolutely no idea what the hell they are talking about, all they do is spew rubbish and try to discredit a competition when their teams loses it. Thank god the players themselves do no think like this, otherwise football would be dead. The Chelsea players wanted to win that trophy yesterday, no matter what fans say.