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Post by rwo power Wed Aug 29, 2012 5:11 pm

AL3 wrote:But where do you think bayern plan to play him defence or pivot?
Most likely pivot next to Schweinsteiger or Kroos

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Post by Onyx Wed Aug 29, 2012 5:11 pm

I guess he'll play DM.

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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Wed Aug 29, 2012 5:14 pm

*Thiago *Falcao eco smile
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Post by Arquitecto Wed Aug 29, 2012 5:15 pm

Javi to be honest is best as CM as I predict his partnership with Scweinsteiger will allow the latter to have more freedom in his forward bursts yet there is also the dilemma of Kroos yet I suspect he will resume his AM role. Babun can further explain here as I trust him on this.

Even if Javi plays in the back he is actually a better CB then both Boateng and Badstuber which is by no means an insult to both of them.

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Post by sportsczy Wed Aug 29, 2012 5:17 pm

eco smile
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Post by Ganso Wed Aug 29, 2012 5:18 pm

Arquitecto wrote:

In the end Javi hasn't had a bad game in quite a long time.
huh?I dont watch Bilbao a lot but he was terrible at the olympics and had a bad EL final
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Post by Casciavit Wed Aug 29, 2012 5:22 pm

Sweinchtiger----- Martinez--
-----------Kroos-----------
That Creativity :bow:


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Post by Le Samourai Wed Aug 29, 2012 5:22 pm

I think this might pave the way for a change in setup TBH.

They no longer need to Kroos to be a tempo setter in midfield and since they operate mostly through the wings anyway they might just opt to play two forwards instead of one.

Ie , the Fergie way.

The deception if this does indeed happen will be legendary.

Lahm-Boateng-Stuber-Alaba
-----Javi---------BS--------
Robben--------------Ribery--
-----------------Muller----
---------Gomez------------
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Post by la bestia negra Wed Aug 29, 2012 5:22 pm

he will wear a number 8
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Post by Ganso Wed Aug 29, 2012 5:25 pm

le samourai and his 4-2-2-2 formations :bow:
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Post by ioilersrock448 Wed Aug 29, 2012 5:25 pm

Barrettinator wrote:
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Barrettinator wrote:Most expensive transfer in Bundesliga history.






Aaaaaaannnnndddd its a DM rofl

So what? :facepalm:
Great player, not so good signing imo.

Why they think he's going to make so much of a difference for their team that they feel he's worth that amount is beyond me.

Not many, if anyone, feels that he is worth 40m. However, Martinex is a player that Bayern needs in order to win a treble. As a result 40m is spent to meet the release clause but due to Javi cutting his salary it will save Bayern money.

Now in the mid Gustavo, Schweinsteiger, Kroos, Mueller, Shaqiri, robben, Ribery and eveny Tymoschuk are capable players. It could go something like:

------------------------Martinez----------------------Schweinsteiger--------------------
------Ribery-------------------------Kroos-------------------------------------Robben----

OR

------------------------Martinez----------------------Kroos------------------------------------Ribery--------------------------Mueller-----------------------------------Robben-----

OR looking at what everyone could play

-------------------Tymo/Martinez/Gustavo----------Kroos/Schweinsteiger----------
--Shaqiri/Ribery------------Mueller/Kroos/Mandzukic------------Robben/Shaqiri--

There is a ton of reason for optimism now.
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Post by Zealous Wed Aug 29, 2012 5:25 pm

The Adidas thing definitely makes sense.
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Post by Onyx Wed Aug 29, 2012 5:27 pm

Bayern have a lot of depth. :bow:

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Post by Babun Wed Aug 29, 2012 5:29 pm

Zealous wrote:The Adidas thing definitely makes sense.
Who would move from €2m per year to €3 -3,5m after taxation if not for image rights ? eco smile
Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:*Thiago *Falcao eco smile
Bazilian economy is on the rise compared to Spain eco smile Also, most of the teams that won CL had at least one Brazilian starter in their team eco smile Nevermind, TS would've corrected their main weakness in defence . Well, better for us to leave BAD-stuber there eco smile


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Post by BarrileteCosmico Wed Aug 29, 2012 5:30 pm

I don't understand.... is Babun seriously trying to convince us that Bayern would rather spend 40M on a DM than spend 20M on a just as good one and pay 8M taxes, keeping 12M? scratch

Let's stop trying to justify it, Bayern got shafted. They claimed that his fair market price was 22M and ended up paying 40M for him.

Babun wrote:Who would move from €2m per year to €3 -3,5m after taxation if not for image rights ? eco smile
...and a chance to win titles.
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Post by Babun Wed Aug 29, 2012 5:34 pm

BarrileteCosmico wrote:I don't understand.... is Babun seriously trying to convince us that Bayern would rather spend 40M on a DM than spend 20M on a just as good one and pay 8M taxes, keeping 12M? scratch

Let's stop trying to justify it, Bayern got shafted. They claimed that his fair market price was 22M and ended up paying 40M for him.

Babun wrote:Who would move from €2m per year to €3 -3,5m after taxation if not for image rights ? eco smile
...and a chance to win titles.
You think of most players too highly eco smile Players like Higgy are of the rare breed :bow: They don't need those 12m in their bank account eco smile Name me a ball playing DM for 20M.
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Post by rwo power Wed Aug 29, 2012 5:38 pm

Thanks. Fixed Smile
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Wed Aug 29, 2012 5:54 pm

Anita is a ball playing DM :coffee: and he cost us 6m eco smile
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Post by Babun Wed Aug 29, 2012 5:58 pm

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Anita is a ball playing DM :coffee: and he cost us 6m eco smile
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Well, he is good enough for Newcastle eco smile I only see 3 or 4 guys as the same type of ball playing DMs : Biscuit, Vidal, Martinez and partially Khedira. The rest doesn't have the balance. Bayern got the one they could get. The other 3 won't be sold anytime soon :coffee:


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Post by Clockwork Orange Wed Aug 29, 2012 6:37 pm

It's quite sad how underrated Anita is on this forum. He is one of the main reasons that Ajax has returned to playing the football I have grown up to watch and admire. I watched his first game for Newcastle, and he was one of the best at recovering the ball and easily the neatest passer, courtesy of the Ajax schooling sytem.

I'm not sure how well he will do in a double-pivot, seeing as Newcastle's whole midfield got overun. He is more than a defensive midfielder. He can dictate games, tackle and pass. Seeing him leave Ajax was one of the saddest moments since I started watching football.
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Post by Adit Wed Aug 29, 2012 6:43 pm

Babun wrote:
Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Anita is a ball playing DM :coffee: and he cost us 6m eco smile
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Well, he is good enough for Newcastle eco smile I only see 3 or 4 guys as the same type of ball playing DMs : Biscuit, Vidal, Martinez and partially Khedira. The rest doesn't have the balance. Bayern got the one they could get. The other 3 won't be sold anytime soon :coffee:


you still rate Khedira on the ball ? he dont even have better ball technique than our main CB.


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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Wed Aug 29, 2012 6:46 pm

Yeah we played awful against Chelsea as far as that goes, we should play 4-3-3 tbh, we control games better and are more fluid going forward and more balanced as a whole.

I hate 4-4-2.

Also i agree with you on Anita i have been impressed but like a lot of our players are not suited to 4-4-2, no idea why we persist with it tbh.

Especially when you consider we won 7 games in a row last season using 4-3-3, all a bit confusing.

Anyway, continue back to the topic.
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Post by Le Samourai Wed Aug 29, 2012 6:47 pm

More importantly, Khedira is not even a DM.
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Post by sportsczy Wed Aug 29, 2012 7:08 pm

Bayern fans.... just like Madrid fans when we paid 30 mil for Coentrao.... think about this for a second.

You paid 46 mil for a DM Laughing
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Post by rwo power Wed Aug 29, 2012 7:16 pm

According to the information that was published, there were no taxes put on the 40 mio € cheque.
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Post by sportsczy Wed Aug 29, 2012 7:21 pm

rwo power wrote:According to the information that was published, there were no taxes put on the 40 mio € cheque.

That's inaccurate. He exercised the clause without Bilbao knowledge actually lol. He had to pay 40 mil + taxes to do that.
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