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Post by halamadrid2 Wed Aug 29, 2012 2:09 pm

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VivaStPauli wrote:Meh, German media suggests that Martinez took the paycut of 2m/year, so over the 5 year contract, Bayern will save 10m, so they paid well below 40m.

Pricy, a bit overpriced, yes. But not legendarily stupid or expensive. It's not like they paid 35m for Carrol or even more for Torres.

still he will earn 5 millions / year, it's as much as Di maria, Özil or Higuain are paid, so it is just a trick to make the Bayern board look good..

DiMaria and Higuain make less than 4 mill, its 3.5 iirc

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Post by Zealous Wed Aug 29, 2012 2:11 pm

We pay Higuain and Di Maria less than 4 million if I'm not mistaken but both keep most of their image rights so while their wages are less than 4 million their income is higher due to Nike/Adidas sponsorships.
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Post by billy_gr Wed Aug 29, 2012 2:14 pm

Zealous wrote:
billy_gr wrote:martinez vs modric

go!

Modric is clearly the better player because he signed for Real Madrid, the team that I myself support.

deep, meaningfull and honest... we have a winner Smile
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Post by The Messiah Wed Aug 29, 2012 2:17 pm

Zealous wrote:
billy_gr wrote:martinez vs modric

go!

Modric is clearly the better player because he signed for Real Madrid, the team that I myself support.

I can not sing for you, I do not even have a beautiful voice, I do not even know how to dance and my worth in futball world is probably less than 1cent but I can sure tell you that in the next 2years Martinez will turn out to be indespensible player for Bayern like our other expensive players Robben, Ribery, Gomez and Gustavo but there are chances that Modric will turn out to be Robben of Madrid or Kaka, Van Dar vart, Huntelaar, Sneijder and many more, you guys are like the laughing stock of transfer
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Post by sportsczy Wed Aug 29, 2012 2:28 pm

Javi Martinez is talented and young.... but he was terrible for Bilbao the last 6 weeks of the season last year and equally terrible at the Olympics. I hope for Bayern's sake that he doesn't flop lol.
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Post by The Messiah Wed Aug 29, 2012 2:31 pm

sportsczy wrote:Javi Martinez is talented and young.... but he was terrible for Bilbao the last 6 weeks of the season last year and equally terrible at the Olympics. I hope for Bayern's sake that he doesn't flop lol.

Don't worry about that, I don't come to burger king to worry or tell you how to do your job.

But I can tell one thing you should do, BE AFRAID!!!

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Post by rwo power Wed Aug 29, 2012 2:33 pm

Batigoal wrote:
VivaStPauli wrote:Meh, German media suggests that Martinez took the paycut of 2m/year, so over the 5 year contract, Bayern will save 10m, so they paid well below 40m.
still he will earn 5 millions / year, it's as much as Di maria, Özil or Higuain are paid, so it is just a trick to make the Bayern board look good..
You should remember that in Germany the taxes on high wages are almost 50% and not 15% (IIRC) as in Spain.
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Post by sportsczy Wed Aug 29, 2012 2:48 pm

I'm trying to remember the last time Bayern won the CL (getting into the final and choking at home is not a trophy).... Been a while. Add to this that Bayern went trophiless last year AND has been owned by Dortmund when it counts for a bit now.

Not the best time for chest thumping as a Bayern fan methinks...
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Post by Zealous Wed Aug 29, 2012 2:51 pm

Bilbao can take Bayern to court if they really want to be stingy about all this lol
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Post by Onyx Wed Aug 29, 2012 2:52 pm

The Messiah wrote:
Zealous wrote:
billy_gr wrote:martinez vs modric

go!

Modric is clearly the better player because he signed for Real Madrid, the team that I myself support.

I can not sing for you, I do not even have a beautiful voice, I do not even know how to dance and my worth in futball world is probably less than 1cent but I can sure tell you that in the next 2years Martinez will turn out to be indespensible player for Bayern like our other expensive players Robben, Ribery, Gomez and Gustavo but there are chances that Modric will turn out to be Robben of Madrid or Kaka, Van Dar vart, Huntelaar, Sneijder and many more, you guys are like the laughing stock of transfer

All of those players actually did well imo. Aside from Kaka. who didn't perform at his best.

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Post by The Messiah Wed Aug 29, 2012 2:57 pm

mtfootball wrote:
The Messiah wrote:
Zealous wrote:
billy_gr wrote:martinez vs modric

go!

Modric is clearly the better player because he signed for Real Madrid, the team that I myself support.

I can not sing for you, I do not even have a beautiful voice, I do not even know how to dance and my worth in futball world is probably less than 1cent but I can sure tell you that in the next 2years Martinez will turn out to be indespensible player for Bayern like our other expensive players Robben, Ribery, Gomez and Gustavo but there are chances that Modric will turn out to be Robben of Madrid or Kaka, Van Dar vart, Huntelaar, Sneijder and many more, you guys are like the laughing stock of transfer

All of those players actually did well imo. Aside from Kaka. who didn't perform at his best.

Why did Madrid sell them for lesser amount? if what you speak is the truth. anyways there is no point having a dialogue with Madrid fans, they seems to try to justify everything, they have become master in the act of justification, I mean how do you justify Bayern kicking Madrid out of CPL with Dortmund.


Justification is part of madrid fans as much a their arrogance.
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Post by la bestia negra Wed Aug 29, 2012 3:33 pm

VivaStPauli wrote:Meh, German media suggests that Martinez took the paycut of 2m/year, so over the 5 year contract, Bayern will save 10m, so they paid well below 40m.

Pricy, a bit overpriced, yes. But not legendarily stupid or expensive. It's not like they paid 35m for Carrol or even more for Torres.
just woke up so i didnt read any posts under this

i have a feeling addidas also played a role in this
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Post by BarrileteCosmico Wed Aug 29, 2012 3:40 pm

Bayern are really willing to pay 40M for him? He's good, but not that good.
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Post by rwo power Wed Aug 29, 2012 3:48 pm

I think by now it is more a matter of principle than anything else - Hoeneß doesn't like to be made look like a fool Laughing
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Post by BAYERN_MUNICH Wed Aug 29, 2012 4:26 pm

Transfer is official now Smile))))
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Post by Kingofeverythingclassy Wed Aug 29, 2012 4:29 pm

sportsczy wrote:I'm trying to remember the last time Bayern won the CL (getting into the final and choking at home is not a trophy).... Been a while. Add to this that Bayern went trophiless last year AND has been owned by Dortmund when it counts for a bit now.

Not the best time for chest thumping as a Bayern fan methinks...

And still we made 2 out of the last 3 CHL finals & we owned & outplayed a Madrid team which beat the so-called best team in the world Barca which was once hailed as the best in the history & created La Liga history by claiming record points.

Weird isn't it??

Then as it stands today we are probably trophyless but NOBODY has the right to chest thump over us as they probably ended up being owned by us in a way.

And everyone knew Bayern did not give 2 shits about BL & Pokal this year. It was all about the CHL & everything else mattered shit. That has been the dream since the finals were declared in Munich.

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Post by S Wed Aug 29, 2012 4:32 pm

*bleep* URRUTIA !
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Post by Arquitecto Wed Aug 29, 2012 4:35 pm

Bayern fans need not to listen to Madrid & Barca fans about a such a price of the transfer as doing so would be pure and utter hypocrisy from their end considering the prices they have paid for some players.

In the end Javi hasn't had a bad game in quite a long time. He can play CB, DM, CM and at times AM along with having a near flawless skill set (pathetic finishing though) which in the end justifies the price for a 23 year old who has years and years ahead of him.

Bayern were a joke when it comes to this transfer but that doesn't mean Javi's price paid is laughable. The have a very very consistent performer in their hands who is years ahead of his age in proportion to his capability and of course, the ability to exceed with the ceiling of his potential.

Congrats to Bayern for acquiring such a fantastic player.
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Post by Casciavit Wed Aug 29, 2012 4:40 pm

Javi Martinez is 15-20 million good. Not 40 million good.

Where do Bayern plan to play him? center back or Pivot.
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Post by Babun Wed Aug 29, 2012 4:41 pm

Arquitecto wrote:Bayern fans need not to listen to Madrid & Barca fans about a such a price of the transfer as doing so would be pure and utter hypocrisy from their end considering the prices they have paid for some players.

In the end Javi hasn't had a bad game in quite a long time. He can play CB, DM, CM and at times AM along with having a near flawless skill set (pathetic finishing though) which in the end justifies the price for a 23 year old who has years and years ahead of him.

Bayern were a joke when it comes to this transfer but that doesn't mean Javi's price paid is laughable. The have a very very consistent performer in their hands who is years ahead of his age in proportion to his capability and of course, the ability to exceed with the ceiling of his potential.

Congrats to Bayern for acquiring such a fantastic player.
Many people here don't know about the financial part of the story eco smile Let me explain. Bayern don't borrow money or have a sugar daddy who infuses cash to make transfers. They make transfer money from the profits they earn each year after infamous income - expenditure process. The problem is that each time Bayern make profit and don't spend it German law takes about 40% of it as tax away. Bayern is one of the few clubs which isn't interested in a very positive balance sheet. They simply lose money eco smile Their revenue got a lot higher during the past 5 years therefore their profit is also bigger eco smile

So what do they do? They spend the money which would've been taxed by gouvernment into transfers and carry it on their balance sheet over the course of many years. For example, Gomez was bought for €33m. They spread his transfer costs with €8m per year on their balance sheet eco smile Needless to say Gomez transfer is already clear. As funny as it sounds, they needed to spend on a huge transfer target. Martinez' transfer costs will be spread on the balance sheet just like before to avoid taxing.

Next, although Martinez will earn 5m annually, taxes are as high as 40% in Germany. The real catalyzer behind the move is adidas. Martinez is an awesome advertising target. He's tall, good looking, already models and has a nice WAG. His image rights with adidas will land him more money than in Bilbao ever eco smile


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Post by Gil Wed Aug 29, 2012 4:41 pm

Very good depth signing.
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Post by Kingofeverythingclassy Wed Aug 29, 2012 4:42 pm

Arquitecto wrote:Bayern fans need not to listen to Madrid & Barca fans about a such a price of the transfer as doing so would be pure and utter hypocrisy from their end considering the prices they have paid for some players.

In the end Javi hasn't had a bad game in quite a long time. He can play CB, DM, CM and at times AM along with having a near flawless skill set (pathetic finishing though) which in the end justifies the price for a 23 year old who has years and years ahead of him.

Bayern were a joke when it comes to this transfer but that doesn't mean Javi's price paid is laughable. The have a very very consistent performer in their hands who is years ahead of his age in proportion to his capability and of course, the ability to exceed with the ceiling of his potential.

Congrats to Bayern for acquiring such a fantastic player.

Transfer prices never reflect the value of a player. Robben & Ribery costed 25M each while Torres & Carrol costed 58M & 42M odd Euros.

Its all about various market variables,demand supply & so on.

How many great DM's are available in the market. The one's with Good Vision,who can attack,who are tall,strong,good in the air,versatile & can play different positions.

I cant think of any. Maybe Lars Bender from Germany but he is not as good as Martinez & way too raw.

Martinez is the missing link in the Bayern Puzzle. Bayern have Gustavo & Tymo & both of them are 0 in attack & both of them are just bad aerially. We needed a different CDM.

We cant afford a DM who sits infront of the defense & just tackles. Javi can help take Bayern to the next step.

There's not many ideas Bayern can improve in. Maybe a Speed CAM & CB's?? Javi can play CB too incase of emergency & Dante atleast has to be given a chance at CB. Next year we'll probably get Howedes.

The other position is CAM & Shaqiri has done great in that position in pre-season & Muller-Kroos can play there too.

Its hard to say if anyone can score 45 goals a season like Gomez does & 12 goals in CHL. Probably,probably not.


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Post by BarrileteCosmico Wed Aug 29, 2012 4:43 pm

Bilbao can now purchase Higuain with that transfer money banana

Gil wrote:Very good depth signing.
You don't pay that sort of money for depth, he'll start.


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Post by Onyx Wed Aug 29, 2012 4:44 pm

It's official?

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Post by Kingofeverythingclassy Wed Aug 29, 2012 4:44 pm

Gil wrote:Very good depth signing.

He has been guaranteed a Spot apparently as the starting CDM beside Schweni if Schweni can rid himself of constant injuries,overweight issues & a lack of performance.

Otherwise it will be Kroos-Martinez.

Kroos is 23 odd & still lazy & far from fully matured. He will be at his best in 2-3 years & Schweni at 30+ wont be that good. So its good this way,they can push each other. Worse case we'll play 4-3-3 with them both & have Muller-Shaqiri as Super Subs.

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