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Absurd ban .

I have read why Suarez is recidivist. Well , he is not the only recidivist.  

Just a list..

De Rossi elbows since World Cup 2006 (Italy -USA 1-1) , he has never stopped to do it, but noone increased his ban and he gets always only 3 matchdays.

Pepe..

Totti had always unsportsmanlike conduct in his career, he did everything, spits , elbows , kicks in the ass, but he took always 4 matchdays at the maximum

Zidane gave an headbutt to Materazzi, and tbh that gesture was very dangerous for his life, not as a bite, but he got just a ban for 3 matches and even the Materazzi's ban because he provoked  Zidane ( so Chiellini had to be banned? )

what has the sense of all it?

There is no clearness in the football .  
And It is a ridicoulous thing if we consider the football is a world where running a lot of money and a banned match in more can be decisive.

Who has understood how these bans are justified ? Why Suarez takes 4 months and why Liverpool not must have Suarez for 9 matches unlike of other players guilty of similar things, why Totti 5 matchdays , why Zidane only 3 and he gets even banned Materazzi ( he only had this privilege ) etc ...

FIFA should specify the a fixed duration for these Unsportsmanlike acts , otherwise there is only discrepancy and Suarez is the only player in the world who always gets banned exceedingly

ffs First setback already. We cannot wait for him not playing for 4 months. We have to get a replacement. Dont know now..wont mind him gone idk.

I dont prefer Sturridge alone upfront for 4 months, Too hot and cold. (For another thread)

He's gonna miss 9 PL games. 3 CL games and 1 round of COC.

That's more than 25% of League season.
50% of our CL group campaign.



FML season over before it begins.

Liverpool is a strong enough team to play without him for a while and still be near the top, especially if the rumoured transfers of Sanchez and Shaqiri are true.

Sorry but I still dont want Suarez to be sold, unless it makes total sense to sell him and get some top class replacement (not like to like but some WC player). And also, if we sell him, I am sure we will have enough money to sign at least 2 WC players. But I think it is better to stick with him, for the rest of the season. I am sure, a player like him will only start putting numbers and nothing else when he comes back. Now it all depends on whether it makes sense in long term to sell him and get some replacement, around which a team can be built to challenge on all the fronts. We will have to somehow adjust to get results in his absence and that is where BR comes into picture. And if BR is truly able to handle, cope and manage this team in CL and EPL, I will surely consider that last season was not a fluke by him where all the universe combined to get us in title race.

He's been deported from Brazil.

Wow...

Brazil have no deported Suarez. He has left the country to head home, possibly with some ties to the FIFA ban, but it is NOT related to Brazilian government activities and is not deportation.

Red what are your thoughts on his situation, does he stay or does he go? What's a suitable offer now?

sportsczy wrote:El Cujo... there's a difference between acts that happen as part of the game (tackling, elbows, etc.) and those that are completely outside the game (biting ). It's like biting in boxing by Mike Tyson. I mean, could you imagine if someone was caught biting in the NFL? They'd be thrown out of the league It's about the integrity of the sport. Not sure why you don't see that.

What about headbutting? Totally kosher? "Part of the game"?

Liverpool prepared to keep disgraced Suarez despite four-month ban

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/liverpool-fc-prepared-keep-luis-7334362

mr-r34 wrote:Red what are your thoughts on his situation, does he stay or does he go? What's a suitable offer now?

RedOranje wrote:What an absolute idiot. A brilliant genius of a player and model gentleman off the pitch (by all accounts) but a massive, colossal, gigantic idiot on it it seems.

It does the club no good to cut him lose or anything though (not that any LFC fan in here is currently implying or suggesting as much).

Price stays the same, they meet the supposed clause or they can piss right off. FIFA may want to screw LFC over this incident but that doesn't mean LFC have to bend over and offer themselves to Barca/Madrid as well.

Anyone else reckons Suarez is actually Heisenberg ??

too many similarities to dismiss

I'm sure Suarez would find it easier to come back in four months in a new country rather than in England where he has already faced a lot of negative press and abuse from opposition fans. A new start in Spain would certainly feel more appealing to me, if I was in his shoes, than staying in England... So, it wouldn't surprise me if this ban made him want a transfer (which obviously would still be difficult because of his very high value).

My conspiracy theory is that either Barca or Madrid paid FIFA to give him this heavy a punishment, so it would be easier for them to buy him

Two quick points:

1. If Liverpool don't appeal I don't know where to begin FIFA has stated they took the fastest approach to deal with this with the WC still on, so they didn't even really give him a chance. Yes he deserves a ban for it (the picture of Chiellini's shoulder looks fake to me*) but that shouldn't affect Liverpool. We pay his wages, we shouldn't bend over and pay 4 month wages for him on a suspension he didn't commit in a red shirt. 9 games seemed like a fair ban length (well not really but atleast they were consistent with the last 2 offences) but the 4 month is just going over the top, and unethical. And just wrong for Liverpool.

2. Couldn't careless what anyone says, selling him would be the stupidest thing we could do if we want to win trophies in the future.


*Seriously am I the only one that thinks it? His front 2 teeth are his largest and they didn't leave a mark yet the smaller ones did? It's tripped out.

The BBC's main football news at the moment is that Barcelona are keen on signing Suarez.

I don't think it's unclear for which club and in which country Suarez would prefer to play, especially after this third biting incident.

Red Alert wrote:Two quick points:

1. If Liverpool don't appeal I don't know where to begin FIFA has stated they took the fastest approach to deal with this with the WC still on, so they didn't even really give him a chance. Yes he deserves a ban for it (the picture of Chiellini's shoulder looks fake to me*) but that shouldn't affect Liverpool. We pay his wages, we shouldn't bend over and pay 4 month wages for him on a suspension he didn't commit in a red shirt. 9 games seemed like a fair ban length (well not really but atleast they were consistent with the last 2 offences) but the 4 month is just going over the top, and unethical. And just wrong for Liverpool.  

2. Couldn't careless what anyone says, selling him would be the stupidest thing we could do if we want to win trophies in the future.


*Seriously am I the only one that thinks it? His front 2 teeth are his largest and they didn't leave a mark yet the smaller ones did? It's tripped out.

This is a ban exagerrated for many reasons.
The football reminded yesterday to be inquisitor and since tomorrow it will come back the usual sport as always, a sport who bans Zidane for 3 matches as his provocoteur.

Firstly, I don't remember similar ban for a player , he can't even train , and we are talking about the football .Probably the most dirty sport ever . You can find everything here, doped , milionar player who make up games, players who act with any type of violence.
But I don't remember a similar ban anyway

Secondly, I don't understand what Liverpool has to do with it.
When Suarez bited Ivanovic, he wasn't banned for Uruguay.
If the appeal won't be accepted, it will be a dangerous precedent for football.
So the player who committ awful gesture in NT will be banned also for clubs?
Totti spitted to Denmark player in Euro 2004, another similar awful gesture, but he wasn't banned with Roma. Same thing Tassotti ... etc
for example it would have been more sense  banning him till to 2015  with Uruguay so as to miss him Copa America , t would have been as much severe (as FIFA wanted) and it would have punished  both Suarez and Uruguay. As it had to be. Not Liverpool .

At this point, i feel sorry for Suarez. He obviously has some kind of emotional problem that gets triggered in football games... it would be a much bigger issue if he started biting his wife and kids. In relative terms, it's not the bad. For me, he should start by wearing a plastic mouthpiece that American Football players use. With these, he can't harm anyone when he bites since they cover the teeth. Second, take medication. I'm sure he's already been through a lot of therapy... 3 bites later, i think it's time to move to something stronger.

Will Monaco sign him, if offer him to them. It seems very difficult that a deal will be settled between Barca and Liverpool, because Barca wont pay a price which can be agreed by Liverpool. Also Monaco will get a very talented and WC player

@RedAlert, Liverpool can't appeal. Only Suarez and Uruguay FA can.

I think, if this ban gets upheld, Liverpool should seriously consider restricting players from playing in International competitions. I understand that it will never happen, and I understand why (obviously players will be less likely to sign for a club that limits their ability to play for their national teams), but in the last year we've now seen (i) a national manager injure a player of ours by playing him with a knock to "test his toughness" and (ii) a player get banned for an action taken while not in a red shirt, without any precedent.

If there are so many risks to allowing players to train and play with their national team, then we shouldn't allow them to do so. If FIFA wants to exert their authority like this, they should pay the price.

Fyhs

Don't call me James wrote:@RedAlert, Liverpool can't appeal. Only Suarez and Uruguay FA can.

Take them straight to court then and threaten them to pay his wages, and watch them get rid of this 4 month farce.

The 9 games seemed to be ideal after his first 2 bites, atleast they showed consistency, but this 4 month ban is ridiculous. And again, they stated they rushed into the decision.

stevieg8 wrote:I think, if this ban gets upheld, Liverpool should seriously consider restricting players from playing in International competitions. I understand that it will never happen, and I understand why (obviously players will be less likely to sign for a club that limits their ability to play for their national teams), but in the last year we've now seen (i) a national manager injure a player of ours by playing him with a knock to "test his toughness" and (ii) a player get banned for an action taken while not in a red shirt, without any precedent.

If there are so many risks to allowing players to train and play with their national team, then we shouldn't allow them to do so. If FIFA wants to exert their authority like this, they should pay the price.

If FIFA is paying all the clubs some amount for their players participation in the world cup. In the same way, they should pay Liverpool whatever amount that he wont be able to play club football for four months. Henry should drag FIFA to court for this, FIFA can go and frrrack themselves with this stupid attitude

HEIL MEIN REDS wrote:Henry should drag FIFA to court for this, FIFA can go and frrrack themselves with this stupid attitude

So if a player would assault a person outside the pitch, be put into prison and thus can't play for his club, should the club then drag the judges who issued that prison sentence to court?

I think you can't fault the judicial system when it is the player who broke the law (in the current case committed a repeat grave unsporting conduct).

(e.g. the Breno case - he was put 3+ years into prison for arson and thus Bayern couldn't play him either and they didn't get any recompensation whatsoever.)

I think, you should not comapre the incident in personal life and an incident on a football pitch. A player like Suarez would never do such a thing in his personal life, because in his personal life he is a very humble and nice guy. If you are going to punish such incidents so severely, so other dangerous tackles should also be punished equally; who knows that these players who regularly do such tackles do it intentionally and to hurt other players OR because they also lose control and do it.

It is just that biting is weird, therefore people look at it in a different way. And it has nothing to with club football so why should the club pay for it. So everytime FIFA takes some action on any player, the club should just bend over and present itself. It will be disaster for whole football, if FIFA starts meddling into club matter.

In 2011, there was a matter going on that clubs thinking of separating from Uefa. There were some disagreements between top clubs and the organisation. This time probably it is an unique incident but it is definitely not a crime what Suarez did

HEIL MEIN REDS wrote:If you are going to punish such incidents so severely, so other dangerous tackles should also be punished equally; who knows that these players who regularly do such tackles do it intentionally and to hurt other players OR because they also lose control and do it.

In the Bundesliga there have actually been cases where "horror tackles" were punished with a lengthy ban. Here's an English language article on one of such:
http://www.goal.com/en-india/news/3753/germany/2012/03/04/2945760/paolo-guerrero-faces-six-game-ban-for-horror-tackle-on-sven

(If you read the whole thing - Guerrero was also banned for 5 matches for throwing a water bottle at a fan - so such things are not really new or unheard of.)