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Post by mr-r34 Tue Jul 01, 2014 9:12 am

Did anyone see the apology he put out?

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Post by mr-r34 Tue Jul 01, 2014 9:14 am

Hopefully he isn't doing this because barca said he has to before they pout an offer.
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Post by Helmer Tue Jul 01, 2014 10:16 am

of course he is, but who cares as long as we are getting our pockets full with loads of millions and Sanchez too

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Post by Art Morte Tue Jul 01, 2014 10:21 am

I just wonder is Sanchez willing to come to Liverpool. The Spanish-speaking players prefer to play either for Barca or Real Madrid rather than for one of the big clubs in England. He might say "no thanks, I'll rather fight for playing time at Barcelona".

As for Suarez, I think there's more talk about him going to Barca than there was last summer of him going to Madrid and I think the move will happen.
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Post by Fahim89 Tue Jul 01, 2014 10:35 am

The most enjoyable article on the Suarez saga by Chris Boscombe!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/10937398/Luis-Suarez-has-messed-Liverpool-around-once-too-often-but-still-his-agents-will-look-to-get-Barcelona-cut-price-deal.html
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Post by Helmer Tue Jul 01, 2014 11:00 am

i think it is clear that Suarez doesnt have his own brains and he is too easily affected by his surrounding and other people have to say. So if he comes back to us, I am sure BR and co. will handle the issue properly and he will start putting those numbers again. We just need to somehow get his ban reduced.

Barca and Suarez's agents can just f**k off if they are playing around our club

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Post by mr-r34 Tue Jul 01, 2014 1:23 pm

Can't see how sanchez and 50 mil would be better than suarez.
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Post by Helmer Tue Jul 01, 2014 1:27 pm

mate only Roanldo and Messi in the deal can be better for us....as i said 'can be'...so this is life!!!!!

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Post by mr-r34 Tue Jul 01, 2014 1:41 pm

But Keeping Suarez is an option, i fail to see why we need to sell him. Even if he'd play 3/4 of the season, he'd be worth more to us than a lower quality player, playing all season.
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Post by Art Morte Tue Jul 01, 2014 1:47 pm

At what point does Suarez's silence on the Barcelona rumours start speaking louder than words?
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Post by Helmer Tue Jul 01, 2014 2:16 pm

I think this time, probably there is a clear interest from Barca unlike RM in the last season.

So of course it would always make sense to keep him but I dont like stopping people too many times, if someone wants to go, I would let him go, specially in this case 'when risks are so high'

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Post by BeautifulGame Tue Jul 01, 2014 3:01 pm

Barca PR for Suarez has certainly been set in motion  Laughing 
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Post by RedOranje Tue Jul 01, 2014 7:19 pm

Why don't we wait for some actually solid information and developments before making categorical broad-sweeping conclusions on the player, his motivations, any potential deals, and what the squad will look like come September?
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Post by Helmer Tue Jul 01, 2014 7:23 pm

RO, where is the fun in that
this time, we should actually enjoy this saga

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Post by RedOranje Tue Jul 01, 2014 7:41 pm

Except that no one is. Everyone is already edgy, whiny, and pessimistic.
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Post by Art Morte Tue Jul 01, 2014 8:28 pm

RedOranje wrote:Why don't we wait for some actually solid information and developments before making categorical broad-sweeping conclusions on the player, his motivations, any potential deals, and what the squad will look like come September?


If you really expect footy fans to comment only on official news, you're just not being realistic. This is a fan forum where we're expected to discuss rumours and possibilities. Barcelona's interest in Suarez has been reported everywhere by now - like the BBC - so I don't see why we shouldn't have discussions where we play out different scenarios. It's okay to hold one's comments on a matter until there is reliable information at hand, but to actually expect an Internet forum not to discuss rumours and widely reported articles is just naive.
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Post by RedOranje Wed Jul 02, 2014 12:11 am

I'm not saying anything about discussions, I'm suggesting we hold off on reaching CONCLUSIONS. In fact, the word itself is right there.
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Post by Winter is Coming Wed Jul 02, 2014 1:10 am

RedO is correct. The reasons why Suarez is being linked more to us then he was with Real Madrid last season is due to his father in law living in Barcelona and his agent being Pep brother aka a Catalan. I'm not saying were not interest, but lets be honest Liverpool won't budget for anything else then 80M or Sanchez in the deal. Where as Barcelona will want to spend as less as possible and were known for dragging transfer on and not getting our targets aka Thiago Silva and Luiz for example.
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Post by mr-r34 Wed Jul 02, 2014 4:46 am

Does anybody think this 80m value is spot on?
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Post by McAgger Wed Jul 02, 2014 6:59 am

mr-r34 wrote:Does anybody think this 80m value is spot on?


If the biting incident didn't happen then I would absolutely say no. But it seems about right. It's still around that world record fee.
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Post by Art Morte Wed Jul 02, 2014 7:23 am

RedOranje wrote:I'm not saying anything about discussions, I'm suggesting we hold off on reaching CONCLUSIONS. In fact, the word itself is right there.


But nobody claim to be reaching conclusions, you just choose to take their speculation as that.

I think your forum experience would improve and become less uneasy if in your mind you added this text in the beginning of every post you read:

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Post by RedOranje Wed Jul 02, 2014 7:32 am

Look, I get that you enjoy championing the contrarian's position but there are some points where you needn't argue simply for the sake of it.

The entire point of having context and differences between definitive and circumstantial clauses in the language is that they be used when speaking/writing the language. That I'm willing to take people at their word and give them the respect to assume they say what they mean rather than failing to do so does not necessarily mean that you need repeatedly remonstrate.
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Post by Art Morte Wed Jul 02, 2014 7:33 am

Cool.
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Post by Red Alert Wed Jul 02, 2014 10:59 am

Winter is Coming wrote:RedO is correct. The reasons why Suarez is being linked more to us then he was with Real Madrid last season is due to his father in law living in Barcelona and his agent being Pep brother aka a Catalan. I'm not saying were not interest, but lets be honest Liverpool won't budget for anything else then 80M or Sanchez in the deal. Where as Barcelona will want to spend as less as possible and were known for dragging transfer on and not getting our targets aka Thiago Silva and Luiz for example.


Barcelona has APPROACHED Liverpool.
Real Madrid DID NOT.

It's not the same as whatever happened last season. Suarez isn't calling for a move here, Barcelona genuinely has interest in him.
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Post by Red Alert Wed Jul 02, 2014 11:01 am

mr-r34 wrote:Does anybody think this 80m value is spot on?


Yes and no.

Yes because 80m is A LOT for any player.

But he's priceless to Liverpool so I'm going to have to say no. We won't replace him. The only way we probably would find alternatives (yes, probably) would of been if that fee was doubled.

We're also very clueless in the market...
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Post by Red Alert Wed Jul 02, 2014 11:08 am

Don't call me James wrote:
mr-r34 wrote:Does anybody think this 80m value is spot on?


If the biting incident didn't happen then I would absolutely say no. But it seems about right. It's still around that world record fee.


The bite means absolutely NOTHING to his valuation. Clubs look to sign players with quality. Why would Barcelona be interested if this bite was such a big deal? This whole baggage determines value thing is fictional. Clubs honestly don't care. Or we wouldn't have signed him from Ajax in the first place; he was the same player.

He was brought up on the streets. He's shown time and time again he's willing to do ANYTHING to get the result. Regardless if it's pull the hair of a player, bite a player, studs up challenge on a player and make it look accidental, dive to get the opposition a sending off/win a penalty, he wants nothing but to win. You can't buy that mentality. And you certainly can't find anyone at his quality that would be willing to come.

People can mention Torres and how it was good we parted ways; but it was clear injury's ruined Torres' physicality which was key to him. He also played at 50% intensity at games because he genuinely wanted to leave, had enough of the whole G+H saga and at the end left for silverware (he left at a time of a rebuilding stage under Kenny, as you should know). Suarez plays 100% EVERY single game, knock or no knock, regardless of fatigue or anything. 50m+ Sanchez or whatever may look like a good deal, but Liverpool WON'T be the club benefiting from it.
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