Re: Why are Neymar and Hazard both considered overrated?

by Blue Barrett Fri Jun 08, 2012 7:31 pm

Jonathan28 wrote:Every defense is suspect, Epl and La liga defending this season was terrible.

Agreed.

by Gil Fri Jun 08, 2012 7:40 pm

Yep Cristiano/Madrid and Messi/Barca have both been breaking 50+ year goalscoring records yet no one questions the quality of La Liga despite both players failing to reproduce those types of performances for their respective nations.

by che Fri Jun 08, 2012 7:43 pm

Gil wrote:Yep Cristiano/Madrid and Messi/Barca have both been breaking 50+ year goalscoring records yet no one questions the quality of La Liga despite both players failing to reproduce those types of performances for their respective nations.

noone questions the quality? what humongous matter of rock have you been living under?

by Adit Fri Jun 08, 2012 7:43 pm

Because NT have 1/100 of the chemistry Barcelona or Real Madrid have ..simple let alone the player quality surrounds them..

Plus Messi actually broke the CL goal scoring record too. I guess CL quality should be questioned too ?

by Swanhends Fri Jun 08, 2012 7:58 pm

Gil wrote:Yep Cristiano/Madrid and Messi/Barca have both been breaking 50+ year goalscoring records yet no one questions the quality of La Liga despite both players failing to reproduce those types of performances for their respective nations.

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by Potential Fri Jun 08, 2012 10:32 pm

Adit wrote:Because NT have 1/100 of the chemistry Barcelona or Real Madrid have ..simple let alone the player quality surrounds them..

Plus Messi actually broke the CL goal scoring record too. I guess CL quality should be questioned too ?

He took freaking 5 penalties and racked up another five against Leverkuesen, how convincing Why are Neymar and Hazard both considered overrated? - Page 3 Lutroll

by The Franchise Sat Jun 09, 2012 10:30 am

Potential wrote:
Adit wrote:Because NT have 1/100 of the chemistry Barcelona or Real Madrid have ..simple let alone the player quality surrounds them..

Plus Messi actually broke the CL goal scoring record too. I guess CL quality should be questioned too ?

He took freaking 5 penalties and racked up another five against Leverkuesen, how convincing

1. Noone else has scored 5 goals in a game since 1980, never done in the CL era.

2. The broken CL record was last held by Gurd Mueller...who socred 5 goals in a game vs the giants that are AC Omonia.

If your going to discredit a guy, you have to at least think first lol

by fatman123 Sat Jun 09, 2012 10:39 am

to say messi smashing in 5 goals vs neverkusen isnt an acheivment is just stupid, if him scring 5 isnt an aheivment then that would mena only scoring one goal would be a complete failure.

Its the same stupid argument as "Torres' hat trick vs QPR counts for nothing because he scored it against relegation fodder" becuase by that logic if a striker was to not score vs QPR then they may as well be dropped to the reserves, because if three goals is worthless then scoring nothing must be criminal

honestly if you want to discredit Messis performance in the CL this season youd look at his performances in the back end of the competition (im pretty sure he didnt score in the quaters or semis), particularly the two games vs Chelsea where Barca probably needed a bit of a spark from him to break Chelsea down

by rwo power Sat Jun 09, 2012 11:44 am

Mind you, Gomez could have scored 5 against Basel, too, if Robben wouldn't have scored the last himself instead of passing to the better standing Gomez. And there was no PK among them ^^

by fatman123 Sat Jun 09, 2012 12:59 pm

rwo power wrote:Mind you, Gomez could have scored 5 against Basel, too, if Robben wouldn't have scored the last himself instead of passing to the better standing Gomez. And there was no PK among them ^^

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by rsinatra Sat Jun 09, 2012 7:00 pm

Kingofeverythingclassy wrote:
Dante wrote:
II Capitano wrote:
Ganso wrote:The Brazilian league is one of the worst in the planet?really? we are definitely top 7

LOL, worst post ever. Obviously you're biased, so yeah just LOL.

yet , they are top 7 ..Eredevisie , at least , is not top 7 before the Brasileirao .

The Portuguese league is debatable .

Eredivisie is way ahead of Brazil league. As a matter of fact given the way Eredivisie is going it will go past Ligue 1 in 2 years.

The Russian League is also much better than Brazilian league,it is a decent competitive league. Apart from that Ukraine league is decent,I will probably choose it over Brazil maybe or not.

So Top 9/10 at best for me.

i cant believe what im reading here. people putting eredivisie and russian leagues ahead of the brazilian one. talk about BIAS.
how many players do these leagues export every year?? this is incredible. i wouldnt be surprised if you tried to argue some other leagues, and ukraine, really? dont think so.

Ganso wrote:
Barrettinator wrote:
Ganso wrote:The Brazilian league is one of the worst in the planet?really? we are definitely top 7
England, Spain, Germany, Italy, France, Portugal, Holland.

Not quite top 7.
we are better than the dutch and portuguese league.

way better. france and germany are not really much better than the brazilian either.

by II Capitano Sun Jun 10, 2012 5:30 am

Gil wrote:Yep Cristiano/Madrid and Messi/Barca have both been breaking 50+ year goalscoring records yet no one questions the quality of La Liga despite both players failing to reproduce those types of performances for their respective nations.

Your opinions can't even be justified. The reason for their poor performances for their respective countries is because of the little service they receive. Ronaldo has had the duty of doing it all himself because f the poor supply coming from the three central midfielders. Just take a look at the game against Germany, which furthermore emphasises this. Look how dangerous Ronaldo was every time he received the ball. With Messi, it's the same, there is a lack of balls to his feet, hence he has had to drop far too deep to collect the ball, plus, the system isn't exactly the most ideal for the Argentine.

by Gil Sun Jul 29, 2012 5:18 pm

Damiao is better Laughing

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Sun Jul 29, 2012 5:22 pm

Better than Messi and prime R9 combined.

by Lord Awesome Sun Jul 29, 2012 5:23 pm

Cause people think they're not top league proven.

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Sun Jul 29, 2012 5:27 pm

top league proven is overrated.

Olympics proven is the true elite pedestal people should be based on.

by Lord Awesome Sun Jul 29, 2012 5:28 pm

PES proven is my criteria. Laughing

by Gil Mon Jul 01, 2013 4:40 pm

by RealGunner Mon Jul 01, 2013 6:11 pm

Aren't YOU the one who considers Neymar overrated?

by Gil Mon Jul 01, 2013 6:17 pm

RealGunner wrote:Aren't YOU the one who considers Neymar overrated?

That's the point of the bump.

Not going to lie he hurt my soul when he joined Barca.

by Mr Nick09 Wed Apr 30, 2014 9:42 pm

Because hazard has not played one top game in CL this year, useless, disappears when it matters, complete fraud off the ball, defense or offense, cost chelsea two goals because he wasnt arsed to follow the runner in defense.

but he is talented nd make glorious youtube clips Proud

by Guest Thu May 01, 2014 11:19 pm

Mr Nick09 wrote:Because hazard has not played one top game in CL this year, useless, disappears when it matters, complete fraud off the ball, defense or offense, cost chelsea two goals because he wasnt arsed to follow the runner in defense.

but he is talented nd make glorious youtube clips

Hazard is a robin IMO. He needs a batman to be a top side.

His batman for Belgium is De Bench.
Chelsea were at their best, at least balance0se, when his batman was Oscar early in the season(before Oscar decided that playing football was too hard and turned to crap).

Chelsea need an attacking mid who can control the flow of an offensive unit and let Hazard be the icing on the cake next to the workhorse(which will be willian.) I use to say Hazard made Mata look better than he was....but perhaps I had the role reversed?

by sportsczy Thu May 01, 2014 11:29 pm

RVP was considered a flop too until he was 27... I don't think people take into account age and experience enough. It's not enough to be uber-talented... you also need to be able to manage your emotions and become an expert tactically. That doesn't happen quickly for 99,9% of the players out there.

by Uncanny Fri May 02, 2014 1:18 am

Betty La Fea wrote:
Mr Nick09 wrote:Because hazard has not played one top game in CL this year, useless, disappears when it matters, complete fraud off the ball, defense or offense, cost chelsea two goals because he wasnt arsed to follow the runner in defense.

but he is talented nd make glorious youtube clips

Hazard is a robin IMO. He needs a batman to be a top side.

His batman for Belgium is De Bench.
Chelsea were at their best, at least balance0se, when his batman was Oscar early in the season(before Oscar decided that playing football was too hard and turned to crap).

Chelsea need an attacking mid who can control the flow of an offensive unit and let Hazard be the icing on the cake next to the workhorse(which will be willian.) I use to say Hazard made Mata look better than he was....but perhaps I had the role reversed?

I agree

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