Re: Why are Neymar and Hazard both considered overrated?

by Ganso Fri Jun 08, 2012 6:12 am

Kingofeverythingclassy wrote:
Even an old Ronaldinho can possibly be a star player there. Other than that they are average players for the NT. While Neyman was average against Germany & in the very big matches.

I will wait to see Neyman play well against Uruguay,Germany,Brazil to comment.

what are you talking about?ronaldinho was good for months and absoulte crap for 1 year.the man got booed by the fans in every game because he was playing like crap.

nerman with an average performance vs Germany?scored despite having much less possession and 3 very uncreative dms behind him.I would also like to add he was our motm vs the Netherlands and only didnt score because their GK Krul was having a goat day.

Finally i would like to add that he cant play against Brazil because he plays for Brazil

by Blue Barrett Fri Jun 08, 2012 6:23 am

Ganso wrote:
Kingofeverythingclassy wrote:
Even an old Ronaldinho can possibly be a star player there. Other than that they are average players for the NT. While Neyman was average against Germany & in the very big matches.

I will wait to see Neyman play well against Uruguay,Germany,Brazil to comment.
what are you talking about?ronaldinho was good for months and absoulte crap for 1 year.the man got booed by the fans in every game because he was playing like crap.

nerman with an average performance vs Germany?scored despite having much less possession and 3 very uncreative dms behind him.I would also like to add he was our motm vs the Netherlands and only didnt score because their GK Krul was having a goat day.

Finally i would like to add that he cant play against Brazil because he plays for Brazil

Why are Neymar and Hazard both considered overrated? - Page 2 IllK6U

by Kingofeverythingclassy Fri Jun 08, 2012 6:28 am

Ganso wrote:
Kingofeverythingclassy wrote:
Even an old Ronaldinho can possibly be a star player there. Other than that they are average players for the NT. While Neyman was average against Germany & in the very big matches.

I will wait to see Neyman play well against Uruguay,Germany,Brazil to comment.
what are you talking about?ronaldinho was good for months and absoulte crap for 1 year.the man got booed by the fans in every game because he was playing like crap.

nerman with an average performance vs Germany?scored despite having much less possession and 3 very uncreative dms behind him.I would also like to add he was our motm vs the Netherlands and only didnt score because their GK Krul was having a goat day.

Finally i would like to add that he cant play against Brazil because he plays for Brazil

Unfortunately I watched the match vs Netherlands & he was nothing special. It was an average game where the players were on a vacation after the season ended. No European Tournament on sight,a huge number of players pulled out.

So even in this meaningless friendly, Neymar missed a Very Simple 1 on 1 vs Krul. And he was diving & flying all over the place with a single touch. The Ref was blindly allowing it.

I am not saying he was bad against Germany,he scored sure. But he was not really the MOM level or something like people are hyping him to be,like Messi's successor. Goetze was substantially better in that match.

And for evey uncreative DM Brazil has like 1 Super Aggressive Full-Back. Not taking anything from Neymar but he is like 7 who has the talent to be 9.5 odd right now. He is young,talented & unproven.

And with talents its impossible to predict how far they will go. Buy Neymar IMO is a WAY WAY better talent than Hazard.

Edit - That would be Argentina. I was typing fast. Did not care to check what I was typing

by BarcaKizz Fri Jun 08, 2012 7:04 am

free_cat wrote:Hazard is a good player, but I think he is not better than Mata. It is a good signing for Chelsea, but IMO he won't live to his hype and price.

Anyway, in other games I wasn't very impressed by Hazard either. We'll see.

This... he's overrated because some hype suggests he's gonna be the best player in the EPL or challenge for Ballon D'Or or something. He probably won't even be the best player at Chelsea. He's a great talent but I fully expect Mata to remain better, and Hulk to impress more if he goes etc.

by II Capitano Fri Jun 08, 2012 7:19 am

Firstly, Gil, I question how many times you have seen Neymar and Hazard play considering that you said the latter "single-handedly led Lille to their first ever League title." It's funny because you took a dig at those who watch him the pair on YouTube etc. Also, technically, you answered your own question regarding Neymar: "How can Nerman who's already his clubs highest goalscorer post Pele era at only 20, has a 1 in 2 goalscoring record for his country & is widely considered to be the best talent in Brazil (the most prolific nation in the World in producing footballers)?"

That just shows that you overrate him, ironically. So many contradictions. Back on point, the Brazilian league is one of the worst on the planet. No doubt you'll get entertainment, but the standard of defending is atrocious, it's schoolboy defending, at best. In its rarity, you'll see some exceptional defending. In its rarity, though.

Neymar and Hazard aren't overrated, if you look at other forums you will see that other members are essentially saying the same thing. What they are though, however, is over-hyped, and that is significantly different from being overrated. It's not black and white, might I add. What have they proved in the superior leagues, in Serie A, La Liga, Premier League, or even the Bundesliga? Nothing. Neymar likes his skills and executes them perfectly, but is he going to be as successful when he enters Europe? Hazard has been fantastic for Lille, but the same question is valid for him too.

I'm not going to downgrade their overall ability just because they have played in poor leagues, but they haven't provided their capabilities to the fullest in the best leagues just yet. I expect both to flourish.

by Ganso Fri Jun 08, 2012 8:16 am

The Brazilian league is one of the worst in the planet?really? :facepalm:

we are definitely top 7

by Blue Barrett Fri Jun 08, 2012 8:32 am

Ganso wrote:The Brazilian league is one of the worst in the planet?really? we are definitely top 7

England, Spain, Germany, Italy, France, Portugal, Holland.

Not quite top 7. Why are Neymar and Hazard both considered overrated? - Page 2 Troll_face_dancing

by rsinatra Fri Jun 08, 2012 8:51 am

To the people who think he's overrated because of his performances for Brazil:

If you only watched Messi at NT fixtures you'd probably say he's overoveroverrated? Excluding the last match of course, a performance that took him years to put on.. What about C. Ronaldo? Not near enough his RM level with Portugal.

I think there are a lot of people who just don't think anything of Neymar until he's played in Europe.

Which is all BS to me, and here's why: You can't claim that he's not good because he isn't proven in an European league if you haven't actually watched him play in his current league. Many people here just assume that the Brazilian league isn't good enough because of what they hear/read, and that's it, they don't even bother. Sure, it is not the no. 1 league in the world, but it's only behind the major leagues in Europe (English, Spanish, Italian..), AND it's the most competitive one in the world (it's not always the same 2, 3 teams winning it or fighting for the CL spots), so players can still excel and grow there, becoming really good. How else did Romario, Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, already arrive in Europe destroying any and everyone in front of them? So, it's what I call "pre-conception", or "prejudice", or narrow-mindedness.

And when it comes to RM fans I double-doubt it, because I think most of them are butthurt because he clearly prefers Barcelona.

by Forza Fri Jun 08, 2012 9:12 am

Q: Why are Neymar and Hazard both considered overrated?

A: Because of threads like this which exist only for the purpose of talking about how much hype these players deserve. Most footballers actually have to do something notable before they are subject of discussion.

Why are Neymar and Hazard both considered overrated? - Page 2 Yodawg11

by II Capitano Fri Jun 08, 2012 9:12 am

Ganso wrote:The Brazilian league is one of the worst in the planet?really? we are definitely top 7

LOL, worst post ever. Obviously you're biased, so yeah just LOL.

by Dante Fri Jun 08, 2012 11:04 am

II Capitano wrote:
Ganso wrote:The Brazilian league is one of the worst in the planet?really? we are definitely top 7

LOL, worst post ever. Obviously you're biased, so yeah just LOL.

yet , they are top 7 ..Eredevisie , at least , is not top 7 before the Brasileirao .

The Portuguese league is debatable .

by Kingofeverythingclassy Fri Jun 08, 2012 12:35 pm

Dante wrote:
II Capitano wrote:
Ganso wrote:The Brazilian league is one of the worst in the planet?really? we are definitely top 7

LOL, worst post ever. Obviously you're biased, so yeah just LOL.

yet , they are top 7 ..Eredevisie , at least , is not top 7 before the Brasileirao .

The Portuguese league is debatable .

Eredivisie is way ahead of Brazil league. As a matter of fact given the way Eredivisie is going it will go past Ligue 1 in 2 years.

The Russian League is also much better than Brazilian league,it is a decent competitive league. Apart from that Ukraine league is decent,I will probably choose it over Brazil maybe or not.

So Top 9/10 at best for me.

by Blue Barrett Fri Jun 08, 2012 12:39 pm

KOEC always seems to be picking fights with everyone in his "arguments". Laughing

by Dante Fri Jun 08, 2012 12:50 pm

Kingofeverythingclassy wrote:
Dante wrote:
II Capitano wrote:
Ganso wrote:The Brazilian league is one of the worst in the planet?really? we are definitely top 7

LOL, worst post ever. Obviously you're biased, so yeah just LOL.

yet , they are top 7 ..Eredevisie , at least , is not top 7 before the Brasileirao .

The Portuguese league is debatable .

Eredivisie is way ahead of Brazil league. As a matter of fact given the way Eredivisie is going it will go past Ligue 1 in 2 years.

The Russian League is also much better than Brazilian league,it is a decent competitive league. Apart from that Ukraine league is decent,I will probably choose it over Brazil maybe or not.

So Top 9/10 at best for me.

i've noticed the Russians are progressing there too.Nowhere near as entertaining or attractive as the Brasileirao though.

As for Eredivisie , it isn't what it used to be. I would gladly see them become more competitive and attractive , but they aren't there yet .. Santos , Sao Paolo , Corinthians and even Cruzeiro could challenge Ajax and Twente for the title and definitely for top positions, it says enough imo.

I leave the comments about the Ukrainian league go by ... . In any case, this is off topic , we should drop it anyway .

by Red Alert Fri Jun 08, 2012 1:29 pm

Overrated =/= Overvalued

by Ganso Fri Jun 08, 2012 2:00 pm

Smh,have some respect for our league.if our league is so shet then we would never be a player factory.We are def better than eredivise and arguably better than the Portuguese league bar Porto and benfica.Portuguese league is made up of players bought from our second division ffs

by Jonathan28 Fri Jun 08, 2012 2:19 pm

Do people really think the brazillian league is crap? mother of god.....

European football lovers and their ignorance. The brazilian league is easily on par, if not better then the eredivise and ligue un. I have an idea, get your heads out of european footballs arse and start watching other leagues.

by The Franchise Fri Jun 08, 2012 2:24 pm

Of course the Brazilian league is crap.

Those hundreds of players Europeans steal are talentless hacks and they magically become good once they hit Europe.

LOL Does anyone here even watch the Portuguese league to be talking about it like its better than Brazil's? I do and I fail to see how thats a given.

by Ganso Fri Jun 08, 2012 2:26 pm

Barrettinator wrote:
Ganso wrote:The Brazilian league is one of the worst in the planet?really? we are definitely top 7
England, Spain, Germany, Italy, France, Portugal, Holland.

Not quite top 7.

we are better than the dutch and portuguese league.

by Jonathan28 Fri Jun 08, 2012 2:31 pm

Dani, knowledge of other leagues isnt allowed in here, people may think you bashing their precious european football.

by Doc Fri Jun 08, 2012 2:40 pm

Overrated would indicate that they are bad to which neither is not. Overhyped always seems like the more correct phrase to describe either player, particularly Neymar.

by Noonan22 Fri Jun 08, 2012 6:48 pm

I'm not going to lie and say that I watch the Brazilian league,but how could it be one of the worst in the world when you see the amount of talent it produces.I mean half the Brazil NT plays in Brazil.

by Jonathan28 Fri Jun 08, 2012 7:23 pm

Noonan, dont bother speaking sense, it might hurt their brains.

by Blue Barrett Fri Jun 08, 2012 7:25 pm

Ganso wrote:
Barrettinator wrote:
Ganso wrote:The Brazilian league is one of the worst in the planet?really? we are definitely top 7
England, Spain, Germany, Italy, France, Portugal, Holland.

Not quite top 7.
we are better than the dutch and portuguese league.

Lol I know. Was kidding.

But the Brazilian league defense is suspect though. hmm

by Jonathan28 Fri Jun 08, 2012 7:30 pm

Every defense is suspect, Epl and La liga defending this season was terrible.

by Blue Barrett Fri Jun 08, 2012 7:31 pm

Jonathan28 wrote:Every defense is suspect, Epl and La liga defending this season was terrible.

Agreed.

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