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Post by Raptorgunner Thu May 24, 2012 6:15 pm

Juve vs Arsenal would be epic, if we sign Del Piero. Chaka

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Post by Adit Thu May 24, 2012 6:21 pm

Phritz wrote:This season it was RM who won the most points with Barca and Atletico tied in 2nd place. Chelsea and Bayern won an almost identical amount of points this season in 4th and 5th.

Valencia earned the 6th most points this season.

Atletico played 3 more games, and won a final while Barca crashed out of the semi's with a loss and a draw but they both earned the same amount of points : scratch - There probably should be an algorithm which gives you points based on the other teams points.

Madrid and Barca, who both lost a game in the semi-finals and lost them overall should not be getting the most points for beating minnows in the CL >.>
and others are constantly beating big teams Laughing

come out of your bubble,its not like all other teams havent faced minnows is it?

They walked the groups thanx to their consistency while some other 'big teams' manages to go out from a group of so called minnows ..

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Post by Lord Hades Thu May 24, 2012 6:39 pm

and love the juventus fan who is so sore here lol. youre the invincibles, what need you to fear those puny teams in pot 1/2 ?
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Post by Bellabong Thu May 24, 2012 6:41 pm

They're not lol, they lost the Italian cup final xD
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Post by Lord Hades Thu May 24, 2012 6:46 pm

yeahh , but i think invincibles are only for the league right?
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Post by Ion Creanga Thu May 24, 2012 6:48 pm

Lord Hades wrote:and love the juventus fan who is so sore here lol. youre the invincibles, what need you to fear those puny teams in pot 1/2 ?

i think some of you should learn the ABC... He didn't say Juventus should be higher ranked, or anything related to Juve's position.. He said that teams like valencia who performed well in Europa League shouldn't be rate so high in UCL pots..
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Post by Lord Hades Thu May 24, 2012 6:50 pm

tuddor wrote:
Lord Hades wrote:and love the juventus fan who is so sore here lol. youre the invincibles, what need you to fear those puny teams in pot 1/2 ?

i think some of you should learn the ABC... He didn't say Juventus should be higher ranked, or anything related to Juve's position.. He said that teams like valencia who performed well in Europa League shouldn't be rate so high in UCL pots..

yes he had no ulterior motive to question the wisdom behind the cl allotment right? Rolling Eyes
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Post by Bellabong Thu May 24, 2012 6:59 pm

tuddor wrote:
Lord Hades wrote:and love the juventus fan who is so sore here lol. youre the invincibles, what need you to fear those puny teams in pot 1/2 ?

i think some of you should learn the ABC... He didn't say Juventus should be higher ranked, or anything related to Juve's position.. He said that teams like valencia who performed well in Europa League shouldn't be rate so high in UCL pots..

He then goes on to criticize Ajax's co-efficient points for no apparent reason other than being butt-hurt about teams being ranked higher than Juventus rather than teams earning points in the EL helping their UCL seeding.

Coming from someone who supports Italian football (Who are notoriously butthurt about Italy losing a CL place, that's very apparent) and Juventus who've done absolutely nothing in Europe recently.

If he hadn't made the Ajax statement I would agree with you but the Ajax statement shows the motive behind the post.
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Post by Dante Thu May 24, 2012 7:03 pm

The butthurt must flow :coffee:
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Post by che Thu May 24, 2012 7:04 pm

the circle of stupidity is the funniest thing about this

everyone's complaining about how the uefa cup doesn't offer enough incentives to do well, but then the same people complain that doing well in uefa cup shouldn't give you coefficient points towards the cl
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Post by Dante Thu May 24, 2012 7:25 pm

Surag wrote:Its ridiculous that a club like Juventus who have done squat in CL in the last few years are placed in Pot 3 mainly based on their EL perfomances.

This really is so flawed.

agreed , pot 3 is too much .
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Post by rwo power Thu May 24, 2012 7:46 pm

che wrote:the circle of stupidity is the funniest thing about this

everyone's complaining about how the uefa cup doesn't offer enough incentives to do well, but then the same people complain that doing well in uefa cup shouldn't give you coefficient points towards the cl
That. And people always get puzzled when German teams actually take the EL serious and ridicule us for it. And then they say we didn't merit the 4th CL spot... :facepalm:
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Post by chaval Thu May 24, 2012 7:57 pm

Surag wrote:Its ridiculous that a club like Valencia who have done squat in CL in the last few years are placed in Pot 2 mainly based on their EL perfomances.

This really is so flawed.
Weve been playing in the CL for the past few years....surely that has some merit?
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Post by Potential Thu May 24, 2012 8:04 pm

Whats with all the butthurt Juventus fans?! your club has done NOTHING for the past season in both EL and CL, you should be in pot 4 so just shut up and stop taking cheap shots at other clubs!


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Post by S Thu May 24, 2012 8:11 pm

So i am the one that is butthurt ok Laughing ..I had no intention to bring Juventus into this thread ,its you guys that are assuming.

Ok i admit i made a mistake in mentioning Ajax.I cross-checked the sides placed in Pot 3 and ok,thats fair enough.

But what has Valencia done to be placed so high as far as CL perfomances are concerned ?Especially them being ranked above Benfica and Schalke.

Let us assess these three teams' perfomances in the CL from 07-08 shall we ?

07-08:Valencia Last in Grp,Benfica 3rd,Schalke Quarter finals

08-09:Dint Qualify,Dint qualify,Dint qualify

09-10:Again Dint qualify,Dint qualify,Dint qualify

10-11:Round of 16,3rd place in Grp,Semi-Finals

11-12:3rd place in Grp,Quarter finals,Dint qualify

Now these results clearly show that its obvious ,EL perfomances have taken precedence in regards to CL rankings.Which is ridiculous.

che wrote:the circle of stupidity is the funniest thing about this

everyone's complaining about how the uefa cup doesn't offer enough incentives to do well, but then the same people complain that doing well in uefa cup shouldn't give you coefficient points towards the cl

Excuse me good sir,earning a CL spot by winning the EL competition and breezing your way to CL Pot 2 through EL perfomances are completely diverse.

Besides i was only posing a question.If EL is valued so highly ,why isnt there an incentive like a CL spot awarded to them ?And its not like EL winner would directly land into Pot 2 you know ..Pot 3 or 4 or even starting from the qualifying rounds would be a good solution.

And yes i am one of those guys who thinks EL teams should be awarded lesser co-eff points and i am not even contradicting myself here.

EL perfomances is given far too much importance in regards to CL rankings and that is what i am quite livid about.
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Post by rwo power Thu May 24, 2012 8:19 pm

Surag wrote:EL perfomances is given far too much importance in regards to CL rankings and that is what i am quite livid about.
On the other hand, it is the same for all clubs - simply do well in the EL if you get there and you climb up in the coefficients ranking. Everybody knows the way the coeffs are calculated, so why don't you exploit it, too?
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Post by animal.crackers Thu May 24, 2012 8:23 pm

StrugaRock wrote:Real Madrid
Manchester City
Juventus
Dortmund

Group of champions, make it happen UEFA Chaka
City and Madrid progress. Cool
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Post by S Thu May 24, 2012 8:26 pm

So basically either Juventus should finish in EL places in the league or finish 3rd in the group stages,Dominate the Europa League ,and we'll breeze our way to Pot 1 in CL Laughing

UEFA :bow:

:facepalm:

Yes we should exploit it,exploit the stupidity of UEFA that is.

That is what you Germans are doing right now.Laughing
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Post by Neutral Thu May 24, 2012 8:33 pm

or the germans are exploiting the stupidity of the italians because they don't take europa seriously even when knowing the consequences. you can't exploit uefa, they make the rules.

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Post by rwo power Thu May 24, 2012 8:33 pm

Surag wrote:Yes we should exploit it,exploit the stupidity of UEFA that is.
That is what you Germans are doing right now.Laughing
Exactly. Complaining is useless after all. Beat the system by using it properly.
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Post by S Thu May 24, 2012 8:38 pm

For the record it would take a herculean effort for us to land ourselves in Pot 1.

We should make something like 3 semis in the next 4 seasons or probably even win it and still we would have difficulty in landing in CL pot 1.

Maybe we should just drop down to the EL since the competition is easier and much easier to get into Pot 1 in the future.Laughing

CL and EL have the same structure in regards to co-efficient rankings.

But what about the competition ?Its obvious which one is harder.You would have teams like Milan who qualify for CL every year ,and make atleast a round of 16 appearance(which lands them in pot 2) and than you have team like Valencia who does nothing in CL and just gets into Pot 2 via EL perfomance by beating some tier 2 teams.I'm just providing an instance.See the unbalance ?

the structure is very un-balanced it has to be said.
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Post by rwo power Thu May 24, 2012 8:47 pm

EL = easier? Ask ManCity and ManUtd about it Very Happy
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Post by animal.crackers Thu May 24, 2012 8:51 pm

rwo power wrote:EL = easier? Ask ManCity and ManUtd about it Very Happy
Yeah, it's easier.

We went out on AWAY GOALS (3-3 aggregate)....

And every goal we conceded were ABSOLUTE GIFTS because we didn't have our first choice back line. When I say gifts I mean GIFTS. We're talking about players slipping and shit to let them score.

We beat FC Porto 6-1, and then get knocked out by a much weaker team in their league.
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Post by Lord Hades Thu May 24, 2012 8:55 pm

animal.crackers wrote:
rwo power wrote:EL = easier? Ask ManCity and ManUtd about it Very Happy
Yeah, it's easier.

We went out on AWAY GOALS (3-3 aggregate)....

And every goal we conceded were ABSOLUTE GIFTS because we didn't have our first choice back line. When I say gifts I mean GIFTS. We're talking about players slipping and shit to let them score.

We beat FC Porto 6-1, and then get knocked out by a much weaker team in their league.

yes thats life lol.. you lost because you underestimated the other team, the competition as a whole.. you cant discount lisbon like that lol
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Post by animal.crackers Thu May 24, 2012 9:03 pm

To be honest, after raping Porto 6-1 , we probably thought we could just show up and win against Lisbon.

Doesn't work that way in Europe because these competitions mean a lot to the smaller teams. And now that City are a good team again, everyone steps their game up against us.
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Post by Luca Thu May 24, 2012 9:11 pm

animal.crackers wrote:To be honest, after raping Porto 6-1 , we probably thought we could just show up and win against Lisbon.

Doesn't work that way in Europe because these competitions mean a lot to the smaller teams. And now that City are a good team again, everyone steps their game up against us.

Ah, so you got eliminated because the competition is too easy
Now it makes sense

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