Hoeness launches attack on the plastic clubs

Barrettinator wrote:

Kingofeverythingclassy wrote:

Le Samourai wrote:What about the fact that the coach of the team who brought them up from the third division retired because of said transfer do you not understand?

Your fellow Bayern fan claimed Malaga got Villareal relegated, in that sense it's fair to say Bayern destroyed the Hoffenheim project.

Destroyed?? Again another ridiculous opinion. They were a Mid table team & stayed a Mid Table team. They were doing mediocre that season too,nothing special. They are doing the same. And Gustavo was a DM not a striker scoring 30 goals.

On the contrary we saved the Hoffenheim project with money. They should thank Bayern. They are now investing it properly & are going to buy a lot of good players. As a matter of fact we should have crib & complain they had us by our balls & forced us to almost Triple Pay for Gustavo.

And against reiterate Werder were a Buldesliga Title contender. Then you guys took Ozil & they dont destroyed & were just a few points above relegation. If I dont accuse you guys of destroying them,I see no reason for you guys to do the same.

What is this? Is it now wrong to buy players? What do you mean "took"? LMAO!

Kingofeverythingclassy wrote:I dont think you can term me as exactly "new" but I wont like to get into it now.

We are taking a HIGH MORAL GROUND because we are deserve. Because we Deserve IT. Because we are better than the likes of you.

Hoeness took a financially average club & made it into a Global powerhouse. We made 19 years profit straight & 29 out of the last 30 years.

We pay what we earn. We dont post 200 Million Losses. We have every right to take a Moral High Ground. If you post profits for 10 years on a straight you can take the moral high ground too.

You have won 9 CHL titles & you gloat about it too. We have a Fantastic Balance sheet mate,and That is why we flaunt it.

animal.crackers wrote:

animal.crackers wrote:I would say (in England, Spain, Italy..idk about Germany) it's nigh on impossible to become an elite club without being backed by wealth.

As soon as a club has a few good players. The big teams would pick them off. Fackin hell, it happened to City !!!

Let's see how long Swansea keep their players. :shisha:

No one disagrees? I've done my job here. :dance:

Sushi Master wrote:

Le Samourai wrote:

Sushi Master wrote:Bayern did not destroy any Hoffenheim project, dude... Rangnick leaving did. I don't know how 17m for a player can destroy a club, especially in Germany where with 17m you can buy quality youth and not even miss a step.

If it were a "project" it would send Bayern the other way, as Dortmund has done with all their players. That just affirms Hoff's midtable status.

Bayern are hated for poaching a lot of BL talent, but nowadays the real good players are heading off to other big clubs. What's the difference?

Did Madrid kill the Sahin project :vagi:

Causation.

Bayern buys Gustavo >>>>> Ragnick resigns immediately.

I agree Hoffenheims board is just as much to blame for not informing him of the deal.....but everyone seems to ignore the fact that this was a response to Idri blaming Malaga for Villareal's relegation.

Ragnick should have manned up, but he probably saw that sweet Schalke job and was bored of midtable teams.

I mean, Hoff is a midtable team. Period. If the board bypass the manager to sell one of your key players for sweet money, then that says it all. Bayern have poached many other Buli talents and those clubs keep going. Lately, they're going to find it extremely hard doing just that.

Sushi Master wrote:

animal.crackers wrote:

animal.crackers wrote:I would say (in England, Spain, Italy..idk about Germany) it's nigh on impossible to become an elite club without being backed by wealth.

As soon as a club has a few good players. The big teams would pick them off. Fackin hell, it happened to City !!!

Let's see how long Swansea keep their players. :shisha:

No one disagrees? I've done my job here. :dance:

You just bought your way to the title.

How the hell can we disagree with that?

The Messiah wrote:

izzy wrote:

Barrettinator wrote:Joins the forum...

First two posts are about butthurt feelings....

It's being selective and delusional.
Did Bayern ruin the Marseille project?
Or Stuttgart?
Or Schalke?
Or Depor?
Or Bayer Levekusen?

That was in defense to another post, claiming Bayern ruin Hoffeinham project, you must be dump ain't you..?

animal.crackers wrote:

Blue wrote:

animal.crackers wrote:

Gomez83 wrote:Wish more billionaires invested in a much better youth system that would last longer than a player.

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/09/20/sport/football/football-man-city-academy/index.html


That is the next step in the owner's plan for City. They are redeveloping an impoverished part of Manchester to build the best La Masia like youth academy/facilities in the world.

They believe that developing world class youth will (and should) be the way to maintain the club's success.

With the current England football setup i doubt any club in England would develop a successful academy and produce talent on a constant basis.

Arsenal have done well developing young players, but only Wilshere and Gibbs are from their academy. Only one of them is decent tbh.

Thing is, the club would invest in talented young players 15, 16 year olds. Foreign and English.

The owners are rich, but seriously who LIKES spending 30m.

Why buy a 30m striker, when you can spot him at 15, give him world class coaching in his most fundamental years, and have him become home grown through your ranks and already knowing your team's system/philosophy for virtually free. If he's not as good as you thought, you sell him, and the club makes profit.

But to attract the best young talents, great facilities and coaches are needed. Just look at La Masia.

Le Samourai wrote:The only reason I brought up Hoffenheim mate...is because they didn't need your money.

Saved them? There is no project without Ragnick mate, they will remain a mid table team forever,something they clearly weren't under Ragnick. The injuries prevented them from a top 6 finish, but that doesn't change the fact that they played amazing high tempo pass and move football.That team was going places.....

They have a rich owner who got hammered by the Bundesliga Cartel for making minor investment in his club....(he played for the youth team).

If you want every team in the world to go the ideal way and develop their youth system then fine, but don't cry just because a fan of a club decided to invest some money to try to get them to a better place.

Le Samourai wrote:The only reason I brought up Hoffenheim mate...is because they didn't need your money.

Saved them? There is no project without Ragnick mate, they will remain a mid table team forever,something they clearly weren't under Ragnick. The injuries prevented them from a top 6 finish, but that doesn't change the fact that they played amazing high tempo pass and move football.That team was going places.....

They have a rich owner who got hammered by the Bundesliga Cartel for making minor investment in his club....(he played for the youth team).

If you want every team in the world to go the ideal way and develop their youth system then fine, but don't cry just because a fan of a club decided to invest some money to try to get them to a better place.

Le Samourai wrote:The only reason I brought up Hoffenheim mate...is because they didn't need your money.

Saved them? There is no project without Ragnick mate, they will remain a mid table team forever,something they clearly weren't under Ragnick. The injuries prevented them from a top 6 finish, but that doesn't change the fact that they played amazing high tempo pass and move football.That team was going places.....

They have a rich owner who got hammered by the Bundesliga Cartel for making minor investment in his club....(he played for the youth team).

If you want every team in the world to go the ideal way and develop their youth system then fine, but don't cry just because a fan of a club decided to invest some money to try to get them to a better place.

animal.crackers wrote:

Sushi Master wrote:

animal.crackers wrote:

animal.crackers wrote:I would say (in England, Spain, Italy..idk about Germany) it's nigh on impossible to become an elite club without being backed by wealth.

As soon as a club has a few good players. The big teams would pick them off. Fackin hell, it happened to City !!!

Let's see how long Swansea keep their players. :shisha:

No one disagrees? I've done my job here. :dance:

You just bought your way to the title.

How the hell can we disagree with that?

We bought players, not the title.

In England, you don't just show up and win matches...

And that wasn't even my point. You won't win a title without money. Simple as. Maybe in Germany it's different.

Sushi Master wrote:Come on, Madrid fans. I don't need to explain the moral high ground, especially this season after winning la Liga.

I was talking overall, though. That's what I was responding to Crackers. In this thread, dunno why Madrid fans would feel differently... as I said, most Madrid fans would share Hoeness' opinion since both clubs are run similarly.

Or maybe you mean in response to new guy or something.

izzy wrote:

Kingofeverythingclassy wrote:

izzy wrote:

Kingofeverythingclassy wrote:I expect you to have the minimum intelligence to understand a post. What should I even reply to this??? This is getting stupid.

If you read my post properly I said buying a Player does not mean derailing a Club's project. Simple as that. If you buy a player like Benzema does not mean you are hurting the lyon project because he after 1 year would have gone to a new club anyway.

Same with Gustavo wanted a new challenge at a bigger club. He would have ended up in Madrid or Chelsea if Bayern did not buy him. We overpaid,17 Million for him. That was my point.

If Hoffenheim were hurt by his loss its not that Werder gained huge from Ozil's loss. Werder fell rapindly. Hoffenheim never challenged for the title,they were & remained a mid table team.

That was my point. If you have read that properly,you would not have had to type that. And I have no issue with Madrid buying Ozil on cheap with 1 year on his contract. Just that you cant play the same double game & call out Bayern on Gustavo.

Lets have a level playing field. And next time please read a post properly and try to get the essence of it

Oh, I misread. But your posts upto now have been really

I mean, you actually believe that Madrid takes out loans to make transfers.

Yes. I do because they did. They posted a 200 Million+ loss a few seasons ago. Where that money come from??

Anyways Madrid have a huge stadium,sell shit loads of jerseys & have got a an autocratic TV deal which gives them huge money. So Financially are super Strong. So I dont think they need to borrow every year. They can actually post 50 Million profits if they want.

That is truth. But when you spend 250 Million on transfers then you have to borrow. And stop twisting my words in your imaginary fantasy world & then mocking it.

200mil loss?
Link or stop lying.

The money is being taken out not just for transfers. How does that even make sense? Madrid make a 400mil profit but need to take out 250mil from the bank for transfers? Really?

Other business ventures is what the money will be used for. It's not really that complex to understand seeing as they are expanding and developing the stadium and their little resort plans.

izzy wrote:

Kingofeverythingclassy wrote:I dont think you can term me as exactly "new" but I wont like to get into it now.

We are taking a HIGH MORAL GROUND because we are deserve. Because we Deserve IT. Because we are better than the likes of you.

Hoeness took a financially average club & made it into a Global powerhouse. We made 19 years profit straight & 29 out of the last 30 years.

We pay what we earn. We dont post 200 Million Losses. We have every right to take a Moral High Ground. If you post profits for 10 years on a straight you can take the moral high ground too.

You have won 9 CHL titles & you gloat about it too. We have a Fantastic Balance sheet mate,and That is why we flaunt it.

Nonsense. Post the link of our 200mill loss then?

FACT: Real Madrid are money making machine.
Fact: Real Madrid buy players

FACT: Bayern are a money making machine
FACT: Bayern buy players

or, did Khan, Lucio, Elber, Ballack, Gomez, Ribery, Robben, Alaba, Santa Cruz, Diesler, Sagnol, Lizarazu and many more just appear at Bayern by magic? Surely buying these players, you ruined their aspirations in the futrue?

Edit: I'm looking myself and don't see this 200mill loss so....................

Kingofeverythingclassy wrote:This is getting really stupid man. I am being the better man & I am not taking any shots at you despite the fact you are constantly calling me a lier and what not.

By forum rules new guys are not allowed to post external link for a fixed period of days otherwise I would have posted.

Other than you have made a list of all players we bought in the last 15 years. This is getting ridiculous man. Own up. You can do better than this.


If you want to make a list,why dont you make a list of all players we bought in the last 50 years or so,the list will be FAR LONGER.

And Robben Ribery came in different years for 25 Million each which is our 2nd highest transfer in history apart from the 35 Million Mario Gomez. We have never spend more 100 Million or so in transfers.

And we earn what we spend. I have to repeat myself like the 100th time to you guys to understand this. We spend modestly compared to you & all those are our hard earned money. Not loans or Oil Money

Sushi Master wrote:It's Hoeness, dude. He bathes in the Kaiser's farts.

It's like Cryuff not being an asshole when it comes to Barca.

Sushi Master wrote:It's Hoeness, dude. He bathes in the Kaiser's farts.

It's like Cryuff not being an asshole when it comes to Barca.

Kingofeverythingclassy wrote:Not loans or Oil Money

Le Samourai wrote:

Sushi Master wrote:

Le Samourai wrote:

Sushi Master wrote:Bayern did not destroy any Hoffenheim project, dude... Rangnick leaving did. I don't know how 17m for a player can destroy a club, especially in Germany where with 17m you can buy quality youth and not even miss a step.

If it were a "project" it would send Bayern the other way, as Dortmund has done with all their players. That just affirms Hoff's midtable status.

Bayern are hated for poaching a lot of BL talent, but nowadays the real good players are heading off to other big clubs. What's the difference?

Did Madrid kill the Sahin project :vagi:

Causation.

Bayern buys Gustavo >>>>> Ragnick resigns immediately.

I agree Hoffenheims board is just as much to blame for not informing him of the deal.....but everyone seems to ignore the fact that this was a response to Idri blaming Malaga for Villareal's relegation.

Ragnick should have manned up, but he probably saw that sweet Schalke job and was bored of midtable teams.

I mean, Hoff is a midtable team. Period. If the board bypass the manager to sell one of your key players for sweet money, then that says it all. Bayern have poached many other Buli talents and those clubs keep going. Lately, they're going to find it extremely hard doing just that.

I agree......the club had a losing attitude...Ragnick was right to leave....he wanted to win , not remain mid table....

But Idro said that Malaga is at fault for Villareal's relegation. IN THAT CONTEXT, it would be completely fair to say Bayern had similar responsibility in ruining Hoffenheim.
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Kingofeverythingclassy wrote:

Sushi Master wrote:It's Hoeness, dude. He bathes in the Kaiser's farts.

It's like Cryuff not being an asshole when it comes to Barca.

Utterly disrespectful to the man who gave his whole life to Bayern. We are where we are because of Uli.

And kaiser has been a senile old man. He called the 2001 team a team old man & after they won CHL Effenberg taunted him for that. Kaiser has always been like that.

But Uli has in general other than the respect for kaiser been very steadfast in everything & if he can post 29 years off profits out of 30 then he has a right to brag or criticize other because of it

kiranr wrote:What is this fascination with spending what we earn? Btw, taking a loan to buy players is not spending beyond your means when you can service the interest.

And what is this thing with German fans about clubs being a toy? It seems like it is a widespread opinion there. They could not be more wrong.

izzy wrote:

Kingofeverythingclassy wrote:This is getting really stupid man. I am being the better man & I am not taking any shots at you despite the fact you are constantly calling me a lier and what not.

By forum rules new guys are not allowed to post external link for a fixed period of days otherwise I would have posted.

Other than you have made a list of all players we bought in the last 15 years. This is getting ridiculous man. Own up. You can do better than this.


If you want to make a list,why dont you make a list of all players we bought in the last 50 years or so,the list will be FAR LONGER.

And Robben Ribery came in different years for 25 Million each which is our 2nd highest transfer in history apart from the 35 Million Mario Gomez. We have never spend more 100 Million or so in transfers.

And we earn what we spend. I have to repeat myself like the 100th time to you guys to understand this. We spend modestly compared to you & all those are our hard earned money. Not loans or Oil Money

So we don't spend what we earn?

According to you, We took out a loan of 250mill on top of the 400mill we EARNED to spend on transfers?

Yeah................................................

izzy wrote:

Kingofeverythingclassy wrote:I dont think you can term me as exactly "new" but I wont like to get into it now.

We are taking a HIGH MORAL GROUND because we are deserve. Because we Deserve IT. Because we are better than the likes of you.

Hoeness took a financially average club & made it into a Global powerhouse. We made 19 years profit straight & 29 out of the last 30 years.

We pay what we earn. We dont post 200 Million Losses. We have every right to take a Moral High Ground. If you post profits for 10 years on a straight you can take the moral high ground too.

You have won 9 CHL titles & you gloat about it too. We have a Fantastic Balance sheet mate,and That is why we flaunt it.

Nonsense. Post the link of our 200mill loss then?

FACT: Real Madrid are money making machine.
Fact: Real Madrid buy players

FACT: Bayern are a money making machine
FACT: Bayern buy players

or, did Khan, Lucio, Elber, Ballack, Gomez, Ribery, Robben, Alaba, Santa Cruz, Diesler, Sagnol, Lizarazu and many more just appear at Bayern by magic? Surely buying these players, you ruined their aspirations in the futrue?

Edit: I'm looking myself and don't see this 200mill loss so....................

izzy wrote:

kiranr wrote:What is this fascination with spending what we earn? Btw, taking a loan to buy players is not spending beyond your means when you can service the interest.

And what is this thing with German fans about clubs being a toy? It seems like it is a widespread opinion there. They could not be more wrong.

I have no idea.

Here this logic: Real Madrid who amde over 400mil in profit took out a 250mil loan to make transfers.

Kingofeverythingclassy wrote:

izzy wrote:

Kingofeverythingclassy wrote:This is getting really stupid man. I am being the better man & I am not taking any shots at you despite the fact you are constantly calling me a lier and what not.

By forum rules new guys are not allowed to post external link for a fixed period of days otherwise I would have posted.

Other than you have made a list of all players we bought in the last 15 years. This is getting ridiculous man. Own up. You can do better than this.


If you want to make a list,why dont you make a list of all players we bought in the last 50 years or so,the list will be FAR LONGER.

And Robben Ribery came in different years for 25 Million each which is our 2nd highest transfer in history apart from the 35 Million Mario Gomez. We have never spend more 100 Million or so in transfers.

And we earn what we spend. I have to repeat myself like the 100th time to you guys to understand this. We spend modestly compared to you & all those are our hard earned money. Not loans or Oil Money

So we don't spend what we earn?

According to you, We took out a loan of 250mill on top of the 400mill we EARNED to spend on transfers?

Yeah................................................

When I am allowed to post links I will do it. 3 years back your revenue was it even 400 Million?? Maybe it was. I will check.

But if you spend 200-250 Million on Transfer you will have to take a debt.

You also posted you made 400 Million profits when you revenue is like 450-480 Million at best & for that to imagine Ronaldo & Kaka would have to play for popcorns. I did even call you out for that.

Anyways when I am allowed to post a link I would. But you made big losses as far I knew. Having said that I can atleast accept Madrid's losses because maybe they can repay them.

But I can accept Oil Mafia putting in 1 Billion in a club. Wages Transfer fees would go out of the window is more Oil Mafia come & start pouring in Billions tomorrow.