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Pele is not the best in history [FACTS]
by ChollaVille Thu Jun 23, 2011 8:29 pm
Full name: Edison Arantes do Nascimento
Date of birth: 21 or 23 October 1940 (age 70)
Place of birth: Três Corações, Brazil
Height: 1.73 m (5 ft 8 in)
Playing position: Forward
Official goals: 707 + NT
Total goals (including frendlies and training mateches): 1228
3 times World Cup winner.
Great statistics for sure... but let see the truth:
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PELE HAS ONLY ONE GOLDEN BALL AND ONLY TWO WORLD CUP 11 TEAM
Pele won 3 world cups, but he won 1 Golden Ball and was 2 times in team of the tournament.
1970 Pele won Golden ball, 1962. Garincha won it and 1958. (Pele was not even in top 11), 1958. Didi (Brazil) won it, Pele was second.
PELE NEVER PLAYED IN EUROPE, NOT EVEN IN THAT OLD UNPROFESSIONAL AGE
Pele played in Brazil and in USA. That was time when football was just game, the were not professionals, league was not professional league. Even European top leagues in those days were not good as they are today. In 50's and 60's Defence was crap, goalkeepers were nothing if we compare then even with football from 70's. Yes he was playing even in 70's... but did he face Ajax or Barca in those times? NOT!!! His best year was 1970. when he won golden ball.
PELE IS ONE OF THE GREATESTS, BUT NOT THE BEST EVER
Pele is one of the greatest players of all time, but just becouse he has the best statistics he is not the best in history. He won only one golden ball in three world cup victories, so that does not make him even better player than Garincha. I will left those one like Cruyff, Maradona, Platini... etc. Just look back at last 15 years: Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Rivaldo, Romario, Kaka, Cristiano, Messi, Zidane, Figo... etc. Modern player, on higher level, against better defence, against better goalkeepers. I'm am not saying that they are all better than Pele is... But Ronaldo El Phenomeno fur sure is!!! Messi is!!! Even Cristiano is real treath to this old man!!!
PELE IS NOT THE BEST EVER - FACT!!!
Date of birth: 21 or 23 October 1940 (age 70)
Place of birth: Três Corações, Brazil
Height: 1.73 m (5 ft 8 in)
Playing position: Forward
Official goals: 707 + NT
Total goals (including frendlies and training mateches): 1228
3 times World Cup winner.
Great statistics for sure... but let see the truth:
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PELE HAS ONLY ONE GOLDEN BALL AND ONLY TWO WORLD CUP 11 TEAM
Pele won 3 world cups, but he won 1 Golden Ball and was 2 times in team of the tournament.
1970 Pele won Golden ball, 1962. Garincha won it and 1958. (Pele was not even in top 11), 1958. Didi (Brazil) won it, Pele was second.
PELE NEVER PLAYED IN EUROPE, NOT EVEN IN THAT OLD UNPROFESSIONAL AGE
Pele played in Brazil and in USA. That was time when football was just game, the were not professionals, league was not professional league. Even European top leagues in those days were not good as they are today. In 50's and 60's Defence was crap, goalkeepers were nothing if we compare then even with football from 70's. Yes he was playing even in 70's... but did he face Ajax or Barca in those times? NOT!!! His best year was 1970. when he won golden ball.
PELE IS ONE OF THE GREATESTS, BUT NOT THE BEST EVER
Pele is one of the greatest players of all time, but just becouse he has the best statistics he is not the best in history. He won only one golden ball in three world cup victories, so that does not make him even better player than Garincha. I will left those one like Cruyff, Maradona, Platini... etc. Just look back at last 15 years: Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Rivaldo, Romario, Kaka, Cristiano, Messi, Zidane, Figo... etc. Modern player, on higher level, against better defence, against better goalkeepers. I'm am not saying that they are all better than Pele is... But Ronaldo El Phenomeno fur sure is!!! Messi is!!! Even Cristiano is real treath to this old man!!!
PELE IS NOT THE BEST EVER - FACT!!!
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by REWB Thu Jun 23, 2011 8:32 pm
brilliant post, i didnt even need to read the who thing, just read the subtitles and i understood all, great
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by Sushi Master Thu Jun 23, 2011 8:34 pm
He does some great Viagra commercials, though.
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Re: Pele is not the best in history [FACTS]
by ChollaVille Thu Jun 23, 2011 8:36 pm
Even my grandfather is saying taht Garincha is better player (just was alcoholich)
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by Great Leader Sprucenuce Thu Jun 23, 2011 8:37 pm
ChollaVille wrote:Even my grandfather is saying taht Garincha is better player (just was alcoholich)
I agree with your grandfather from i have seen on old tapes and what i have been told by people that saw them none the less time to exit before this gets nasty.
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by Ganso Thu Jun 23, 2011 8:39 pm
indeed he isnt,garrincha is the best ever 
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by Guest Thu Jun 23, 2011 8:40 pm
Brazilian domestic league was as good as any in the world until the 90s imo. Maybe the best. Remember that clubs in Europe were only allowed 3 international players on their squads. There was no Europe then... so we're talking only 3 non-nationals.
Brazilian and Argentinian domestic leagues were disgustingly talented.
Brazilian and Argentinian domestic leagues were disgustingly talented.
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by REWB Thu Jun 23, 2011 8:41 pm
because of i-no's thread we all know that there are hardly any people on here that have seen pele play live, soo do any of the oldies want to come talk to us about pele and why cholla is wrong? because we all know stats dont mean everything....
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by guest7 Thu Jun 23, 2011 8:42 pm
Lol Brazilian league was the best back in the days... Nothing to argue here.
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Re: Pele is not the best in history [FACTS]
by ChollaVille Thu Jun 23, 2011 8:45 pm
omarish wrote:Lol Brazilian league was the best back in the days... Nothing to argue here.
Was better than EPL, La Liga, Seria A or Bundes Liga in last 15 years? NOOOOOOT!!!
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by EarlyPrototype Thu Jun 23, 2011 8:45 pm
ChollaVille wrote:omarish wrote:Lol Brazilian league was the best back in the days... Nothing to argue here.
Was better than EPL, La Liga, Seria A or Bundes Liga in last 15 years? NOOOOOOT!!!
was Pele playing in the last 15 years? no
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by guest7 Thu Jun 23, 2011 8:46 pm
ChollaVille wrote:omarish wrote:Lol Brazilian league was the best back in the days... Nothing to argue here.
Was better than EPL, La Liga, Seria A or Bundes Liga in last 15 years? NOOOOOOT!!!
Who cares. Everyone knows modern football beats the F out of old football but it doesn't make Pele a bad player. He dominated the league that dominated the world and his league dominated becouse of him, that's enough ffs.
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by Ganso Thu Jun 23, 2011 8:47 pm
just take all these players:messi,aguero,zanetti,cambiasso,pato,falcao,thiago silva,lucio,ganso,neymar nilmar,valencia,dani alves,maicon,alexis sanchez,vidal etc and put them in south america.
south american clubs would beast a lot of european clubs,specially english and itlaian leagues
south american clubs would beast a lot of european clubs,specially english and itlaian leagues
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by wigglesworth Thu Jun 23, 2011 8:50 pm
ChollaVille wrote:Full name: Yes he was playing even in 70's... but did he face Ajax or Barca in those times? NOT!!! His best year was 1970. when he won golden ball.
PELE IS NOT THE BEST EVER - FACT!!!
Ajax was a great team in the 70s, but Barcelona was crap until the 1990s as far as Champions League is concerned.
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by Mr Nick09 Thu Jun 23, 2011 8:51 pm
Pele was a god walking on grass.
jog on it
jog on it
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by Guest Thu Jun 23, 2011 8:53 pm
As far as talent, Brazilian league was the best easily. Tactically, they were trying to all emulate the "Joga Bonito"... so they could get caught by sound defensive teams, and often did back in those days on the NT. But really, the 1982 Brazil NT was just sickeningly talented.
To me, Zico was the best player in the world those days. Socrates was the best midfielder.
I'm 39, so i got to see a little bit of it.
To me, Zico was the best player in the world those days. Socrates was the best midfielder.
I'm 39, so i got to see a little bit of it.
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by Guest Thu Jun 23, 2011 8:55 pm
To get back to Pele, it's like Michael Jordan and Wilt Chamberlain in basketball... They were great athletes by today's standards. Back then, Pele was just just athletically way above everyone else. Add the technique and flair... best player ever.
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by BarrileteCosmico Thu Jun 23, 2011 8:56 pm
I know a lot of Brazilians that say that Pele is not even the best Brazilian. Hence why I could not consider him the best ever.
That being said, the 'didn't play in Europe' argument is bull. At that time Santos was the best team in the world, why would he want to go to Europe?
That being said, the 'didn't play in Europe' argument is bull. At that time Santos was the best team in the world, why would he want to go to Europe?
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by Senor Penguin Thu Jun 23, 2011 8:58 pm
St_Nick09_of_Goal wrote:Pele was a god walking on grass.
jog on it
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by drakefyre Thu Jun 23, 2011 9:15 pm
Pele was the first global football superstar . fact .
Was he the best ever ? Surely , I dont have enough information to judge . Even though I have watched a few of his games , there are plenty of other greats who I havent seen.
Was he the best ever ? Surely , I dont have enough information to judge . Even though I have watched a few of his games , there are plenty of other greats who I havent seen.
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by Ganso Thu Jun 23, 2011 9:19 pm
i guess there simply isnt a "best ever",just top tiers.
1st tier:Pele,Maradona,Cruyff etc
2nd tier:Messi,Zidane,R9,Ronaldo,Xavi etc
1st tier:Pele,Maradona,Cruyff etc
2nd tier:Messi,Zidane,R9,Ronaldo,Xavi etc
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by M99 Thu Jun 23, 2011 9:27 pm
Funny how you failed to mention on how Pele inspired Santos to two back to back Libertadores (which was much more harder than the European Cup) and Intercontinental Cup (the most important competition in the world at that time) was the hero of 1958 World Cup and the best player of 1970. You are just reading his achievements in the internet and saying OMGZ HE IS NOT THE BEST EVER!!!!111!!! I don't think this is a coincidence that Pele said something about Messi and two minutes later a Barca fan comes and degrades him.
Pele was literally a god amongst men, defences were crap at the 50s lol. Pele was given appalling treatment by defenders, suffered horrific injuries and still came back to pwn all. He was the complete player, a cracking left foot, a cracking right foot, unstoppable heading, super speed, awesome dribbling you name it.
Pele was literally a god amongst men, defences were crap at the 50s lol. Pele was given appalling treatment by defenders, suffered horrific injuries and still came back to pwn all. He was the complete player, a cracking left foot, a cracking right foot, unstoppable heading, super speed, awesome dribbling you name it.
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by FilipeFerreira Thu Jun 23, 2011 9:56 pm
ChollaVille wrote:Full name: Edison Arantes do Nascimento
Date of birth: 21 or 23 October 1940 (age 70)
Place of birth: Três Corações, Brazil
Height: 1.73 m (5 ft 8 in)
Playing position: Forward
Official goals: 707 + NT
Total goals (including frendlies and training mateches): 1228
3 times World Cup winner.
Great statistics for sure... but let see the truth:
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PELE HAS ONLY ONE GOLDEN BALL AND ONLY TWO WORLD CUP 11 TEAM
Pele won 3 world cups, but he won 1 Golden Ball and was 2 times in team of the tournament.
1970 Pele won Golden ball, 1962. Garincha won it and 1958. (Pele was not even in top 11), 1958. Didi (Brazil) won it, Pele was second.
PELE NEVER PLAYED IN EUROPE, NOT EVEN IN THAT OLD UNPROFESSIONAL AGE
Pele played in Brazil and in USA. That was time when football was just game, the were not professionals, league was not professional league. Even European top leagues in those days were not good as they are today. In 50's and 60's Defence was crap, goalkeepers were nothing if we compare then even with football from 70's. Yes he was playing even in 70's... but did he face Ajax or Barca in those times? NOT!!! His best year was 1970. when he won golden ball.
PELE IS ONE OF THE GREATESTS, BUT NOT THE BEST EVER
Pele is one of the greatest players of all time, but just becouse he has the best statistics he is not the best in history. He won only one golden ball in three world cup victories, so that does not make him even better player than Garincha. I will left those one like Cruyff, Maradona, Platini... etc. Just look back at last 15 years: Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Rivaldo, Romario, Kaka, Cristiano, Messi, Zidane, Figo... etc. Modern player, on higher level, against better defence, against better goalkeepers. I'm am not saying that they are all better than Pele is... But Ronaldo El Phenomeno fur sure is!!! Messi is!!! Even Cristiano is real treath to this old man!!!
PELE IS NOT THE BEST EVER - FACT!!!
Thread summarized.
Pele was not the best player ever, It's obviously Messi because I'm a barca fan.
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by Mr Nick09 Thu Jun 23, 2011 10:07 pm
FilipeFerreira wrote:
Thread summarized.
Pele was not the best player ever, It's obviously Messi because I'm a barca fan.
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