UEFAlona Conspiracy: Truth or Myth

Spooony wrote:

harhar11 wrote:

Spooony wrote:

4. when not playing the ball, intentionally obstructing an opponent, i.e. running between the opponent and the ball, or interposing the body so as to form an obstacle to an opponent;

See Penalty.

Arbeloa did that countless of times at the cup final last season. The only difference was that he went to the players who didn't have the ball and that the ref never did a thing

It is because they warn and let it happen to a degree. But does that make the one who penalize it wrong? No he merely applied the laws

No.. I was agreeing with you. I was at the ref who allowed it to go on. The swedish commentator was almost laughing at how the ref was not punishing arbeloa for that dirty trick.. IIRC I saw arbeloa doing it atleast 3 times and the commentator said that Arbeloa did it lots of times when the camera wasn't recording anywhere close to him so it was far more than just 3 times

Unsportsmanship Level:

Casillas - san Iker
Arbeloa - dirty player
Pepe - no comment
Ramos - overly aggressive, loses his head a lot
Coentrão - overly aggressive, should have been red carded every clásico
Marcelo - diver, overly aggressive, loses his head a lot
Alonso - for a defensive midfielder he is pretty sportsman-like
Khedira - same as Xabi
Lass - harsh tackles every match. He should have received a red every clásico, or was subbed before getting his marching orders
Kaká
Higuaín
Benzema
Ronaldo
di María - diver, overly aggressive at times
Özil

i just have a lil comment about inter's game during 2009-2010 semi final san siro game, u mention about milito's goal (the offside) but u forgot that milito went one on one with valdes but the ref showed his flag earlier that game but the reply showed that milito wasnt offside!!
the 2nd one messi deserved a red card bcz he destroyed micon's face with his elbow!! micon lost two of his teeth and like usual the ref acted like nothing happened!! that shows even that game that barca fans claims the ref was unfair to them, they were still favourited!!

ultras de madrid wrote:i just have a lil comment about inter's game during 2009-2010 semi final san siro game, u mention about milito's goal (the offside) but u forgot that milito went one on one with valdes but the ref showed his flag earlier that game but the reply showed that milito wasnt offside!!
the 2nd one messi deserved a red card bcz he destroyed micon's face with his elbow!! micon lost two of his teeth and like usual the ref acted like nothing happened!! that shows even that game that barca fans claims the ref was unfair to them, they were still favourited!!

You also forget Bojan's wrongly disallowed goal in the camp nou and a penalty not given vs Alves(I think) at the San Siro.

Bojan's wrongly disallowed goal + Penalty not given + Milito offiside goal>>> False offside+ 2 debatable red cards(one given against inter, and the one you mentioned against Messi)

This is assuming what you are saying is the truth and I am not inclined to believe it. Show me video evidence of Messi's elbow against "Micon"(whoever THAT is), as well as the false offside call.

EVEN IF you can reproduce that, then there are still 3 V 3 calls which shows one and ONLY one thing. Referees make mistakes, sometimes they go for you and sometimes they go against you.

Deal with it

and Try again.

ultras de madrid wrote:i just have a lil comment about inter's game during 2009-2010 semi final san siro game, u mention about milito's goal (the offside) but u forgot that milito went one on one with valdes but the ref showed his flag earlier that game but the reply showed that milito wasnt offside!!
the 2nd one messi deserved a red card bcz he destroyed micon's face with his elbow!! micon lost two of his teeth and like usual the ref acted like nothing happened!! that shows even that game that barca fans claims the ref was unfair to them, they were still favourited!!

Messi didn't have his arm outstretched, no way in hell that was a red/yellow or even a foul. That was 2 players going for a 50/50 ball and then a freak accident happens.

shinigami99 wrote:

ultras de madrid wrote:i just have a lil comment about inter's game during 2009-2010 semi final san siro game, u mention about milito's goal (the offside) but u forgot that milito went one on one with valdes but the ref showed his flag earlier that game but the reply showed that milito wasnt offside!!
the 2nd one messi deserved a red card bcz he destroyed micon's face with his elbow!! micon lost two of his teeth and like usual the ref acted like nothing happened!! that shows even that game that barca fans claims the ref was unfair to them, they were still favourited!!

You also forget Bojan's wrongly disallowed goal in the camp nou and a penalty not given vs Alves(I think) at the San Siro.

Bojan's wrongly disallowed goal + Penalty not given + Milito offiside goal>>> False offside+ 2 debatable red cards(one given against inter, and the one you mentioned against Messi)

This is assuming what you are saying is the truth and I am not inclined to believe it. Show me video evidence of Messi's elbow against "Micon"(whoever THAT is), as well as the false offside call.

EVEN IF you can reproduce that, then there are still 3 V 3 calls which shows one and ONLY one thing. Referees make mistakes, sometimes they go for you and sometimes they go against you.

Deal with it

and Try again.

Nah, the offside call that he said is true but at the same time barca should have had 3 penalties throughout the tie, the sneijder tackle on Alves, Lucio ripping ibras shirt and muntari holding alves arm..



Sneijder - Alves 1:31
Lucio - Ibra 2:37
Muntari - Alves 3:07

danyjr wrote:Unsportsmanship Level:

Casillas - san Iker
Arbeloa - dirty player
Pepe - no comment
Ramos - overly aggressive, loses his head a lot
Coentrão - overly aggressive, should have been red carded every clásico
Marcelo - diver, overly aggressive, loses his head a lot
Alonso - for a defensive midfielder he is pretty sportsman-like
Khedira - same as Xabi
Lass - harsh tackles every match. He should have received a red every clásico, or was subbed before getting his marching orders
Kaká
Higuaín
Benzema
Ronaldo
di María - diver, overly aggressive at times
Özil

Xabi Alonso is actually pretty dirty, especially when it comes to the classicos.

Just look at this tackle. Either he is a awfull tackler or he had no intention to play the ball...

Xabi is an awful tackler.

That tackle looks nasty indeed, but it won't change my view about Alonso. If you've ever watched him play for Spain you would have known he is not a dirty player. Clásico is different in my opinion, with all the tension between the two sides, Real Madrid's frustration after losing times and times again to their arch rivals in recent years as well as Mourinho's negative tactics.

But getting a penalty for these situations is quite rare, specially in big matches like (semi-)finals.

I hear this all the time.

Although you said it's rare, and I agree with you, here I talk about the lack of red card giving/no penalties in semifinals/finals- and people think they shouldn't be given or something unless it's BLATANTLY obvious.

That is not true.

While yeah most refs prefer and don't want to send someone off early/ give penalties in a match, if it's a penalty it's a penalty. If your not giving penalties because it's a big match, then your being what's called biased. Not towards any team, but biased nonetheless.

Just saying.

Great work Dany, not gonna say I agree with all of it but I do agree the whole refcelona uefalona BS is mostly due to personal bias and the typical psychological mindset of a fan.

I don't blame all these people for thinking it, but I certainly do blame them for not looking at each decision objectively, although I guess I can be blamed for a bit of bias too. I try not too as a ref though, but I can't help it if i am a bit biased towards Barca.

For the record, it's extremely within the rights of the ref to give Pepe a red card. You go studs up as high as Balotelli you should be getting a red.

The only damn difference between what Balotelli did and what Pepe did is Balotelli connected with (Sagna?).

And yet there is this stigma that the Balotelli one is a sure red (yes it is...and a ban too) and Pepe's is ridiculously unjust?

Stop being biased because someone actually got hurt. You judge on the challenge, not the result.

Trust me alonso's tackling is scholes level its really bad . He's a clean player, or at least tries to be :lol!:

Giggity5313 wrote:Trust me alonso's tackling is scholes level its really bad . He's a clean player, or at least tries to be :lol!:

Yea, I agree, Xabi isint physically talented or tackling at that case. He should just stick to passing and covering his ground.

Really? Weird cause I swear that I can remember some Madridista complimenting Alonso tackling ability when he was compared to Busquets

harhar11 wrote:Really? Weird cause I swear that I can remember some Madridista complimenting Alonso tackling ability when he was compared to Busquets

Trust me it's bad, whoever said that must not see alonso against fast paced teams

The world's most hated footballers in football today. Pepe and Mario B. are top on that list with Ronaldo and Busquests also on that list