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Post by bloodless Mon Jun 06, 2011 12:30 am

The name is BLOODLESSS!

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Post by bloodless Mon Jun 06, 2011 12:36 am

wrong threvd guys sorry

Sczecny

Sagna, Cahill, Vermaelen, Clichy

Song
Wilshere
Fabregas

Nasri Young
RVP


Subs: Fabianski, Eboue, Johan, Parker, Ramsey, Walcott, Chamakh

Squad: Mannone, Gibbs, Koscielny, Diaby, frimpong, lansbury, Vela, arshavin


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Post by tsgooner1 Mon Jun 06, 2011 1:20 am

Same as this year except TV replaces kos. If we get samba, I would love to see DJ and samba against stoke, blackburn etc. I also want to see samba vs crouch. LOL

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Post by djoe26 Mon Jun 06, 2011 1:31 am

Its funny how some of us prefer Fabianski over Sczecny cause i remember us calling him Flappyhandski when he started the season.

Fabianski had shaky start but he managed to make great saves and also saved a great penalty against a team that i dont remember. Despite all that i still prefer Sczecny over him because Fabianski might have made great saves and all that but he lack consistency and make great mistakes too.

Sczecny on the other hasnt made any big mistake yet and he is confident plus he is just 21 so he can only get better.
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Post by The Verminator Mon Jun 06, 2011 1:42 am

Here's mine:
----------------------------------Szczzczczczczczesny----------------------------------
Sagna--------------Djorou/Samba---------------The Verminator----------Clichy---
----------------------------------------Song------------------------------------------------
--------?????????---------------Fabregas---------------------------Arshavin---------
--------------------------Walcott-------------Robin Van Persie--------------------------

Interesting but there is no Wilshere and no one on the right flank. I don't want to see Bendtner there. Walcott could go right flank and then Chamakh goes up front with RVP.

Or:

--------------------------------Szczczzczczczczesyny----------------------------------
Sagna-----------------Djorou/Samba----------------Verminator--------------Clichy
-------------------------------------Song--------------------------------------------------
------------Fabregas------------------------------------Wilshere-------------------------walcott----------------------Robin Van Persie---------------------------------Arshavin
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Post by Twoism Mon Jun 06, 2011 3:00 am

Fabianski

Sagna --- Koscielny --- Vermaelen --- Clichy

Song --- Wilshere

Walcott --- Fabregas --- Hazard

------------Van Persie--------------

Might be biased but I love Kozz so much to leave him out, although Kozz and TMV did have horror show last year in Poland.

Hazard if Nasri leave.
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Post by MacPhisto/MirrorBallMan Mon Jun 06, 2011 4:57 am

Sciezecisezeieny

Sagna - Djourou - Vermaelen - Clichy
Song
Wilshire - Fabregas
Walcott-------------------Nasri
Van Persie
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Post by Sushi Master Mon Jun 06, 2011 5:18 am

Fabianski
Sagna Djourou Vermaelen Clichy
Wilshere Song
Walcott Fabregas Arshavin
Van Persie

Obviously, Nasri's status depends on his leaving or not.
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Post by Kiwigunner Mon Jun 06, 2011 5:31 am

it's interesting with the goal keepers. I feel that no matter who takes the number 1 shirt, we're going to lose a polish goalkeeper by the end of next season.

Fabianski is older, and in my mind better. Fully deserved the 1st spot when he had it, was unfortunate to get injured. If he comes back from injury just to sit on the bench again, he'd have every right to leave.

Szczesny may be younger but he's clearly impressed everyone and can only improve. With his ego, being put on the bench even for an older keeper would probably be enough for him to go somewhere for first team action.
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Post by A Gunner Mon Jun 06, 2011 10:09 pm

I would think it would be like this:

------------------------------Woj--------------------------------

Sagna---------- Vermaelen----------- Koscieleny ------------ Clichy

-----------------Song--------------------------Wilshere-----------

Walcott----------------------Fabregas-----------------Nasri/Gervinho

-----------------------------RVP/Chamakh---------------------------
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Post by A Gunner Mon Jun 06, 2011 10:10 pm

Depending on who we buy .... of course names will change Very Happy
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Post by Sri Mon Jun 06, 2011 10:21 pm

I can't help but notice that everyone seems to have resigned to a 4-3-3. Come on guys, little more creative Smile I'm sure most of you have experimented in Football Manager or something to come up with more stuff?

How about this:
Fabianski
Sagna Vermaelen Djourou Clichy
Ramsey/Wilshere Song
Walcott Fabregas Arshavin
RvP

Its still 4-3-3 but more in a 4-2-3-1 way. Ofcourse, we can move RvP into Fabregas's position and play Chamakh in front.

Or play a midfield diamond with only one DM, two wide midifielders, Fabregas and two strikers upfront. 4-1-2-1-2?

Or a 4-2-2-2? With 2 DMs, 2 wide players and 2 strikers?

[Just trying to put ideas into your heads, be creative with it Smile ]

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Post by Kiwigunner Tue Jun 07, 2011 2:37 am

srigooner wrote:I can't help but notice that everyone seems to have resigned to a 4-3-3. Come on guys, little more creative Smile I'm sure most of you have experimented in Football Manager or something to come up with more stuff?

How about this:
Fabianski
Sagna Vermaelen Djourou Clichy
Ramsey/Wilshere Song
Walcott Fabregas Arshavin
RvP

Its still 4-3-3 but more in a 4-2-3-1 way. Ofcourse, we can move RvP into Fabregas's position and play Chamakh in front.

Or play a midfield diamond with only one DM, two wide midifielders, Fabregas and two strikers upfront. 4-1-2-1-2?

Or a 4-2-2-2? With 2 DMs, 2 wide players and 2 strikers?

[Just trying to put ideas into your heads, be creative with it Smile ]

We're all pretty resigned to 4-3-3 because of fabregas. He isn't good enough defensively for being one of 2 CMs. Unless we lose him, thats what we're doing.
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Post by Jay29 Tue Jun 07, 2011 2:52 am

People are going 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 because that is the formation we play.

Pretty pointless predicting a starting eleven in a formation you know we're not going to use.

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Post by Sri Tue Jun 07, 2011 6:50 am

True. We have built this team and our style around Fabregas. Unfortunately, when he plays only 25 odd games a season, we don't have a able enough substitute to play his role. And hence we see a lack of creativity in the midfield and struggle to break down defenses. Which is why I am wondering if we can tweak the formation a bit so that Fabregas still enjoys his attacking role, but we also are able to do justice to others in the team. If that can happen, we might not necessarily lack creativity in attack.

I also remember someone posted in the old forums that when we play our "team A", the 4-3-3 works. But what was our "team B", would have thrived on a more 4-4-2 formation. Unfortunately, "team A" and "team B" are very loosely defined in the real world and players are often switched around. And this change in formation would affect our consistency A LOT! I still think we can find some compromise.

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Post by Kiwigunner Tue Jun 07, 2011 7:30 am

I'm not sure if switching formations all the time is a good idea, it can confuse players and may not work.
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Post by Jamin Tue Jun 07, 2011 12:20 pm

We've changed our formation far too much. no stability
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Post by Wilson37 Tue Jun 07, 2011 1:24 pm

Kiwigunner wrote:it's interesting with the goal keepers. I feel that no matter who takes the number 1 shirt, we're going to lose a polish goalkeeper by the end of next season.

Fabianski is older, and in my mind better. Fully deserved the 1st spot when he had it, was unfortunate to get injured. If he comes back from injury just to sit on the bench again, he'd have every right to leave.

Szczesny may be younger but he's clearly impressed everyone and can only improve. With his ego, being put on the bench even for an older keeper would probably be enough for him to go somewhere for first team action.
for sure.. Have you seen a 20 year old gk in a big club complaining that the main coach forgets him.. Thats Sczeny..
So surely i expect some unhappy comments, contract issues, etc like we had with Bendtner...
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Post by Jack Russell Tue Jun 07, 2011 5:10 pm

& that's a problem right there...we can't be saying 'Fabianski is the better choice right now, but we can't bench Szczesny because he will leave'. It wouldn't be exactly great for team morale if a particular player gets preferential treatment from the manager would it?
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Post by Kiwigunner Wed Jun 08, 2011 4:15 am

Thats true, but do we want to lose Szczesny to another team? He's clearly a great talent.
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Post by cmonyougooners Wed Jun 08, 2011 6:22 am

flappyhandski is too much of a liability. I say play Szczesny, let him develop and he will turn into a solid keeper. he did unbelievably well to be thrown in at such a pivotal part of the season.

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Post by Sri Wed Jun 08, 2011 8:05 am

Hey, no doubt Chessy is brilliant and can only get better and better.. But why the Fabianski animosity mate?? He did pretty well before he got injured.. Smile

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Post by Jamin Wed Jun 08, 2011 8:51 am

Fabianski is more like Valdes. He started horribly and improved each game.

Szczesny is more like Casillas , he's a world class material.
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Post by Brigate Rossonere Wed Jun 08, 2011 8:56 am

Szczesny
Sagna - Djourou - Vermaelen - Clichy
Song - Wilshere
Walcott - Fabregas - Arshavin
Bendtner Very Happy
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Post by Kiwigunner Wed Jun 08, 2011 9:15 am

cmonyougooners wrote:flappyhandski is too much of a liability. I say play Szczesny, let him develop and he will turn into a solid keeper. he did unbelievably well to be thrown in at such a pivotal part of the season.

Szczesny is just as much of a liability, i think. Fabianski has been good all season, made one error the entire pl season. He can develop in to a WC keeper just as much, if not more.
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Post by Sri Wed Jun 08, 2011 9:18 am

Chessy is got age on his side.. He can stay with use for what, 12-13 years more? After so long with crises, I wouldn't mind a WC GK for a decade Very Happy

Although Fabianksi has shown him true potential this season, with the number of games we play, I think we can manage to keep both happy with some decent rotation.. Besides, this is Arsenal, we are bound to have injuries.. (Sorry for the pessimisim here, but we had to sign Lehmann back remember?)

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